A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by All4One

True! But do your leaders have aspirations to be bigger and better? Also, so glad your forum has a Block/Ignore feature. It's good to stay positive & hopeful when so many others result to tearing down others in order to feel elevated.

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NO our AD is from shithole D2 Stony Brook so is his lackey the Deputy AD. they are just happy to be here and go back east & brag about how they are taking us midwestereners hard earned tax money

our former President was from Texas A & M & was gungho football and all that, but fell in love with a lady last few years, knew he was retiring so didn't pursue FBS.

there has been 0 zilch nada out of our new president from Kansas U

Most of our bigger donors are from small town north dakota think this is just the greatest ever being a big fish in a small pond and going to frisco every year because they are familiar with the place.

So Yea. NDSU admin hasn't sent out 1 EMAIL or PHONE call to the Mountain West or frankly any conference. its always the same cliche line when someone asks them.

"we are monitoring the FBS world .. blah blah blah"

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

NO our AD is from shithole D2 Stony Brook so is his lackey the Deputy AD. they are just happy to be here and go back east & brag about how they are taking us midwestereners hard earned tax money

our former President was from Texas A & M & was gungho football and all that, but fell in love with a lady last few years, knew he was retiring so didn't pursue FBS.

there has been 0 zilch nada out of our new president from Kansas U

Most of our bigger donors are from small town north dakota think this is just the greatest ever being a big fish in a small pond and going to frisco every year because they are familiar with the place.

So Yea. NDSU admin hasn't sent out 1 EMAIL or PHONE call to the Mountain West or frankly any conference. its always the same cliche line when someone asks them.

"we are monitoring the FBS world .. blah blah blah"

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You'll be happy to know your buddy All4one has also been pumping up Stony Brook as a great CUSA add.
Yay, Stony Brook!

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Looking past the clown show, how anyone can get on board with a conference adding the worst of FCS to its ranks is beyond me.

A lot of media out there saying this may be the worst "fbs" conference ever assembled, and I agree.
Can't imagine replacing MVFC games with JSU, FIU, SHSU and even possibly SFA/Tarleton in the future.

It sounds like Tarleton isn't even off the table, just delayed a couple years.

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It might not have come to that if we had joined in the early rounds. With NDSU in the conference, especially prior to our performance this year as the season has unfolded, the conference would have been seen in a more favorable light. A conference with NDSU, WKU, Liberty, MTSU, and UTEP is not "the worst FBS conference ever assembled." It just isn't. But now, CUSA is becoming a regional conference of FCS out of necessity, rather than a national conference with some quality teams.

Instead of the options C-USA is pursuing I still say they'd have been better off creating C-USA "North Division". It could've reestablished that "national" panache.

Why?

• C-USA gets teams to protect from being raided again (and creates a divisional schedule to limit travel).
• Northern plains schools get the FBS invitation.

Would there be a split in 5-7 years? Most likely.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I'm so FBS it hurts sometimes and even I know that the onus is on CUSA to prove it's viable beyond the next 12 months before NDSU even starts to sniff around there.

And no, adding Kennesaw was not the move anyone was looking for. Neither are EKU or Tarleton.

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I don't know why anyone is surprised we would want to get into the state of Georgia with its next available program with the top 5 states for recruiting being Georgia, California, Louisiana, Texas, and Florida with CUSA now positioned to be in 4 of those states. Anyone who didn't see Kennesaw being added hasn't been paying attention.

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Originally Posted by All4One

I don't know why anyone is surprised we would want to get into the state of Georgia with its next available program with the top 5 states for recruiting being Georgia, California, Louisiana, Texas, and Florida with CUSA now positioned to be in 4 of those states. Anyone who didn't see Kennesaw being added hasn't been paying attention.

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I guess that's my point. CUSA probably doesn't make sense for NDSU and NDSU probably doesn't make sense for CUSA.

FWIW, I'm not like some here who want to see CUSA fail. I would really like for Sammy and Jacksonville State to be successful to help draw up some additional inspiration around here. I guess we'll see.

Further growth of FBS, further stagnation of FCS, more conference movement, more cascading realignment. All of it in my opinion increases NDSU's chances of getting to where it can be most successful. Party on.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Most of our bigger donors are from small town north dakota think this is just the greatest ever being a big fish in a small pond and going to frisco every year because they are familiar with the place.

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You are such a dick. At least they donate. I know of a small town MN lakes country guy that doesn't.

Queue the "I've raised millions for NDSU on social media" reply

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Originally Posted by All4One

I don't know why anyone is surprised we would want to get into the state of Georgia with its next available program with the top 5 states for recruiting being Georgia, California, Louisiana, Texas, and Florida with CUSA now positioned to be in 4 of those states. Anyone who didn't see Kennesaw being added hasn't been paying attention.

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All about the "markets"

Trouble is CUSA will have the 5th tier team there, after UGA, Georgia Tech, Georgia Southern and Georgia St.
Kennesaw average game attendance was a little under 6,000 last year.

It's exactly like going after Towson because of Baltimore, or Stony Brook because of New York.
This is what CUSA thinks is a winning strategy.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

NO our AD is from shithole D2 Stony Brook so is his lackey the Deputy AD. they are just happy to be here and go back east & brag about how they are taking us midwestereners hard earned tax money

our former President was from Texas A & M & was gungho football and all that, but fell in love with a lady last few years, knew he was retiring so didn't pursue FBS.

there has been 0 zilch nada out of our new president from Kansas U

Most of our bigger donors are from small town north dakota think this is just the greatest ever being a big fish in a small pond and going to frisco every year because they are familiar with the place.

So Yea. NDSU admin hasn't sent out 1 EMAIL or PHONE call to the Mountain West or frankly any conference. its always the same cliche line when someone asks them.

"we are monitoring the FBS world .. blah blah blah"

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You really need to just go away and start supporting a team, administration, and fanbase that shares your values. You clearly have no respect for anything that North Dakota/Fargo/NDSU/Bison Athletics have to offer you. Even as you say you support the FB team, you constantly trash it for its style of play (not airing it out, not playing the supposed superstar backup QB, blah, blah, blah) and have no respect for any of the characteristics that have created a tradition of success.

Go be a find another team and fanbase that makes you happy. That'd be best for your mental health.

Every sport gives an automatic qualifier for conference champions (even the FCS) so why should basketball be any different?

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Originally Posted by All4One

Like I said before, we're hated. The most hated. Because of our football. But this is why I fully support the Division 1 Transformation Committee's proposal to eliminate automatic qualifying bids to the NCAA Tournament. It makes things fair for conferences like ours that are more invested in basketball when conferences like the MAC, Sun Belt, and others that put almost all of their resources into football while leaving pocket change for basketball are no longer playing in March Madness in the Big Dance.

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Let's look at what happened last year for the NCAA tourney:
Big Ten: 9 bids
Big East, Big 12, SEC : 6 bids
ACC: 5 bids
MWC: 4 bids
WCC, Pac-12: 3 bids
AAC, A10: 2 bids
CUSA and the rest: 1 AQ bid

The CUSA AQ bid went to UAB, who is leaving for the AAC.
It's a pretty big gamble to assume CUSA would get anyone in without the AQ bid.
Would be like shooting your own foot because you hope for collateral damage.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

NO our AD is from shithole D2 Stony Brook so is his lackey the Deputy AD. they are just happy to be here and go back east & brag about how they are taking us midwestereners hard earned tax money

our former President was from Texas A & M & was gungho football and all that, but fell in love with a lady last few years, knew he was retiring so didn't pursue FBS.

there has been 0 zilch nada out of our new president from Kansas U

Most of our bigger donors are from small town north dakota think this is just the greatest ever being a big fish in a small pond and going to frisco every year because they are familiar with the place.

So Yea. NDSU admin hasn't sent out 1 EMAIL or PHONE call to the Mountain West or frankly any conference. its always the same cliche line when someone asks them.

"we are monitoring the FBS world .. blah blah blah"

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You have a better football program than Stony Brook but they are not D2 or a shit hole. It is a 'very' highly rated Public University in a nice part of Long Island.. I am not sure why you diss the school all the time.

You fcs yokels want ndsu to just stay here and stagnant forever and MAYBE just MAYBE stay on this plateau?

You've lost a HUGE group of fans 35-55 that grew up and were here during the run, in order to get them back or reinvigorate them, FBS is the ONLY way.

you can win 10 more titles and 100 more games in 8 more years and you wont get more fans.

wake up and smell the coffee

we need to move forward !!!

Should have used more caps.

SI reporting today that SanDiego St is a "lock" to join the PAC once media deal is complete. Others may be added also.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

You fcs yokels want ndsu to just stay here and stagnant forever and MAYBE just MAYBE stay on this plateau?

You've lost a HUGE group of fans 35-55 that grew up and were here during the run, in order to get them back or reinvigorate them, FBS is the ONLY way.

you can win 10 more titles and 100 more games in 8 more years and you wont get more fans.

wake up and smell the coffee

we need to move forward !!!

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Oh the fans who weren't fans and just showed up to tailgate to drop look at me pics on facebook and insta? see ya....

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Originally Posted by Hammerhead

Every sport gives an automatic qualifier for conference champions (even the FCS) so why should basketball be any different?

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I don't know. Ask the D1 Transformation Committee members who support it, but I'm going to guess it has something to do with $2 Million per team per game in credits played in the tournament including the play-in games.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

SI reporting today that SanDiego St is a "lock" to join the PAC once media deal is complete. Others may be added also.

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That has been sort of an open secret for awhile. SMU comes up as a possible but I have been thinking Fresno State and San Diego State will be the schools going to the Pac..Hat tip to both from me..

Losing SDSU hurts on many levels..They are a big market and though their football ebbs and flows they have a monster basketball program..

Losing FSU and San Diego State means two fewer baseball schools..

Boise State seems like a very long shot..Maybe they could get a B12 spot but that seems like a long shot too..

How all this potentially effects NDSU is unknown at this juncture..

Should the departures happen, the MW would have 10 football schools and 9 oly sports schools..They certainly could decide to expand. The balance between Mountain schools and West schools would really tilt east. That could help your case.

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Originally Posted by All4One

I don't know. Ask the D1 Transformation Committee members who support it, but I'm going to guess it has something to do with $2 Million per team per game in credits played in the tournament including the play-in games.

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May need to separate the tournament from NCAA like CFP as the AQ requirement may be in their constitution. Since 85% of the NCAA revenue is from the tournament and part of the draw is the little conference winners it may hurt the numbers of the early rounds. Maybe not.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

May need to separate the tournament from NCAA like CFP as the AQ requirement may be in their constitution. Since 85% of the NCAA revenue is from the tournament and part of the draw is the little conference winners it may hurt the numbers of the early rounds. Maybe not.

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Won't happen, there are too many conferences involved. This isn't like football where the SEC and B1G have leverage to potentially split off.

SEC/Sankey proposed this, but Philips/ACC said its a terrible idea.

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Phillips said he was against shrinking the number of automatic qualifiers, and that terrible idea, fortunately, hasn’t gained much traction.

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https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/...267104391.html

Matt Larsen was in the insiders and confirmed once again that this administration does not want a CzuSA invite. He said our fans don’t want to see opponents from that region of Texas to Florida…… he says we are waiting for the right opportunity to come up not just any opportunity

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Matt Larsen was in the insiders and confirmed once again that this administration does not want a CzuSA invite. He said our fans don’t want to see opponents from that region of Texas to Florida…… he says we are waiting for the right opportunity to come up not just any opportunity

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Karl Benson said several years ago that he would admit NDSU to the sunbelt and I'd like to see those schools. Someone make the AD answer that question.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Matt Larsen was in the insiders and confirmed once again that this administration does not want a CzuSA invite. He said our fans don’t want to see opponents from that region of Texas to Florida…… he says we are waiting for the right opportunity to come up not just any opportunity

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I'm glad we have competent leaders. The right opportunity will come with a little patience.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I'm glad we have competent leaders. The right opportunity will come with a little patience.

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yea lets be patient for another 10 years so he can milk this until he retires. what a joke.

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Originally Posted by All4One

I don't know. Ask the D1 Transformation Committee members who support it, but I'm going to guess it has something to do with $2 Million per team per game in credits played in the tournament including the play-in games.

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If that was changed, there might be a schools dropping down because they are only in D-I for for the basketball money from March madness.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

yea lets be patient for another 10 years so he can milk this until he retires. what a joke.

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Delaware announces a facility upgrade that doesn't come close to what we're doing and everyone gets excited saying they are going to FBS.
If their plans are "telegraphing FBS", what do you think our facilities say? We've hardly been sitting still.

If the plan really was to be fcs forever, we wouldn't sink this much money into football.
Like ML said, when you move it is about setting the path for the next 50 years, not the next 5.

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Originally Posted by All4One

I don't know. Ask the D1 Transformation Committee members who support it, but I'm going to guess it has something to do with $2 Million per team per game in credits played in the tournament including the play-in games.

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The play-in games were a compromise to expand the field. The big schools basically ended up with 4 more schools going from 64 to 68.

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Originally Posted by All4One

Like I said before, we're hated. The most hated. Because of our football. But this is why I fully support the Division 1 Transformation Committee's proposal to eliminate automatic qualifying bids to the NCAA Tournament. It makes things fair for conferences like ours that are more invested in basketball when conferences like the MAC, Sun Belt, and others that put almost all of their resources into football while leaving pocket change for basketball are no longer playing in March Madness in the Big Dance.

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Hated? I think your misreading the room.
Regardless of what the D1 Transformation Committee recommends, any change in the auto-bid would require a change of the NCAA by-laws, which would need to be voted on by the membership.
And C-USA doesn't have a member who would qualify for the tournament without the auto-bid with North Texas and UAB leaving.
The MAC had a higher rated team than C-USA last year and the Sun Belt's wasn't far behind. So much for investing all that money in basketball.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Delaware announces a facility upgrade that doesn't come close to what we're doing and everyone gets excited saying they are going to FBS.
If their plans are "telegraphing FBS", what do you think our facilities say? We've hardly been sitting still.

If the plan really was to be fcs forever, we wouldn't sink this much money into football.
Like ML said, when you move it is about setting the path for the next 50 years, not the next 5.

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This was reasonable thinking 15-20 years ago. But thinking this today is moronic. There is no "50 year plan" in college football right now. Good heavens, this is troubling if that's what he said. But it would explain our lack of agility in responding to the ever-changing landscape.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

This was okay thinking 15-20 years ago. But thinking this today is moronic. There is no "50 year plan" in college football right now. Good heavens, this is troubling if that's what he said. But it would explain our lack of agility in responding to the ever-changing landscape.

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The point is, you can't jump, and then jump again in 3 years. Theres a lot that goes into changing conferences, and conferences are increasingly making it difficult to leave with exit fees and GoR. You can't just jump to a garbage conference thinking we will leave for something better in 2-5 years. You will be stuck there a while. It might work in FCS or D2, but not in FBS.

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

Karl Benson said several years ago that he would admit NDSU to the sunbelt and I'd like to see those schools. Someone make the AD answer that question.

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I'd love to be in the Sunbelt, but don't think its likely to happen. MWC is more likely to line up. The pieces are in motion to make that happen.
SBC is likely to stay regional just like CUSA. Travel costs matter for G5 conferences, especially outside MWC and AAC.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I'd love to be in the Sunbelt, but don't think its likely to happen. MWC is more likely to line up. The pieces are in motion to make that happen.
SBC is likely to stay regional just like CUSA. Travel costs matter for G5 conferences, especially outside MWC and AAC.

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Would it be strange if the MW wanted to remain regional as well?

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Originally Posted by MWC

Would it be strange if the MW wanted to remain regional as well?

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Seems like it would be normal.

fans beg AD to answer a question. AD answers questions. Fans don't like the answer. Fans mad.

What's gonna be real funny is if UND beats SDSU this weekend. The atmosphere for that final game of the season will be equal to or better than last Saturday.

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Originally Posted by All4One

My comments are mocked because I support Commissioner Judy MacLeod, the C-USA staff, and our member institutions. It is no secret that ours is the most despised athletic conference in America, and Commissioner MacLeod is the most hated commissioner despite doing only what her members' leaders asked of her. By the way, what's your obsession with Liberty?

This is my Twitter page.

https://twitter.com/All4OneCUSA?t=5l...OjI-wHyXQ&s=09

Where in the absolute fuck do you get the idea that I only care about Liberty? Why do I get the feeling that you're trying to make this about politics?

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The Clown's page just disappeared, its been there since February.
Either someone didn't like his work, or he crawled back in his shell after realizing how obvious the sharade was.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

fans beg AD to answer a question. AD answers questions. Fans don't like the answer. Fans mad.

What's gonna be real funny is if UND beats SDSU this weekend. The atmosphere for that final game of the season will be equal to or better than last Saturday.

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Just for comparison, we bought our single-game tickets in the Team Makers presale and our SDSU seats were in row C in the end zone and the best I could get for UND is row BB in the end zone.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

fans beg AD to answer a question. AD answers questions. Fans don't like the answer. Fans mad.

What's gonna be real funny is if UND beats SDSU this weekend. The atmosphere for that final game of the season will be equal to or better than last Saturday.

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I think 99% of NDSU's real fans and supporters are on board. It was a good interview.
There was no "fcs for life" talk, just common sense about getting things right.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I think 99% of NDSU's real fans and supporters are on board. It was a good interview.
There was no "fcs for life" talk, just common sense about getting things right.

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You mean as opposed to all the socks that post on B’ville ;)

What I heard him say was that the "Transformational Committee" hadn’t wrapped up yet, and that he sees it as quite possible that some of the teams joining CUSA will regret it due to unforeseen budgetary requirements that have yet to emerge

All signs indicate a high target ...

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

You mean as opposed to all the socks that post on B’ville ;)

What I heard him say was that the "Transformational Committee" hadn’t wrapped up yet, and that he sees it as quite possible that some of the teams joining CUSA will regret it due to unforeseen budgetary requirements that have yet to emerge

All signs indicate a high target ...

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I heard those comments also. Some of the schools CUSA has been going after have questionable financials for transitioning to start with ... SHSU, JSU, Kennesaw. There was a lot of debate about whether or not the Kennesaw's governing board would even permit the move because of their financials and support. They did, but attached some conditions I believe, stuff like they have to hit some benchmarks in terms of community support and donations.

What's really bad for CUSA is if those 3 dropped back down, or if some other schools depart, that puts them back on the brink of even existing as a conference again.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I think 99% of NDSU's real fans and supporters are on board. It was a good interview.
There was no "fcs for life" talk, just common sense about getting things right.

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Exactly. I'm 100% down for it. In my opinion it has to be the RIGHT move, not the HURRY UP move. For that comes the FCS forever label. Although I also believe the SDSU atmosphere (1st half anyway) and quite possibly the UND atmosphere (depending on how the next few weeks goes) are going to be rare.

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Originally Posted by Hammerhead

Just for comparison, we bought our single-game tickets in the Team Makers presale and our SDSU seats were in row C in the end zone and the best I could get for UND is row BB in the end zone.

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Must be a bug in the best available ticket selection software. UND isn't a rival so there should be plenty of seats.

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