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Kevin wins that competition in his sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
Help me out please, my memory is a bit weak here: does Kevin have some twelve man formations for the O side? Or is that just on D?Quote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
While clearly our QB play was suffering this year and really the last 3 years, I have absolutely no idea why so many of you see CP as the savior at the QB position. What exactly have you seen because I've seen none of it. Not a bit. Only hearsay from people that don't really know. In fact, I've seen the opposite for the most part. It seems that so many here are just upset that Cam isn't Easton and just want change rather than there being anything at all to Cole being spectacular.
If someone has any VERIFIABLE information on how awesome Cole is, please share it. Just in case you were planning to share a single cherry-picked tweet where CP through a long ball in practice against air, that doesn't mean shit. The only time I've seen him through a ball when distressed, it was an INT in the endzone and it completely changed the momentum of a game that we were killing the eventual champions.
[QUOTE=OrygunBison;1606010]While clearly our QB play was suffering this year and really the last 3 years, I have absolutely no idea why so many of you see CP as the savior at the QB position. What exactly have you seen because I've seen none of it. Not a bit. Only hearsay from people that don't really know. In fact, I've seen the opposite for the most part. It seems that so many here are just upset that Cam isn't Easton and just want change rather than there being anything at all to Cole being spectacular.
If someone has any VERIFIABLE information on how awesome Cole is, please share it. Just in case you were planning to share a single cherry-picked tweet where CP through a long ball in practice against air, that doesn't mean shit. The only time I've seen him through a ball when distressed, it was an INT in the endzone and it completely changed the momentum of a game that we were killing the eventual champions.[/QUOTS
So that is your sample size? Give the kid the keys. If you want LEADERSHIP. The team to get on a kids back. an elite athlete that can really hurt you in multiple ways.......then you make that move. Asking a kid to come into a game. Make a throw with about 18 seconds of notice. "Hey, go in there and run that pass play that we worked on two weeks ago." That isn't fair. He has done everything he was asked to do and then some. His leadership is awesome
So he throws a pick every 12 passes? Not ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDbison
Maybe he's awesome. Who knows i guess
Cole is the prototype NDSU QB. Something lacking physically since Lance was drafted. That's why people want to see him under center because he has the physical talent and we want to see if that translates to success on the field.
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So that is your sample size? Give the kid the keys. If you want LEADERSHIP. The team to get on a kids back. an elite athlete that can really hurt you in multiple ways.......then you make that move. Asking a kid to come into a game. Make a throw with about 18 seconds of notice. "Hey, go in there and run that pass play that we worked on two weeks ago." That isn't fair. He has done everything he was asked to do and then some. His leadership is awesome[/QUOTE]
I agree there were several times the decisions by O staff on how to use him were just baffling, not to mention no chance for him to get a feel for tempo of game nor be in rhythm with the O as a whole.
. So some of you elite minds at Bisonville want to judge Cole's capabilities on 12 passes over 15 games? Wow, genius! He did pretty well to complete 8 of those 12 when playing with the 2nd and 3rd string in garbage time with 0,1 or 2 chances to throw in each game. Yep, lots of opportunity to show what he has for passing skills. What a joke the way our coaches evaluate game talent. And Cam gets to start because what? He won a natty where Luepke ran and scored a bunch. And think about it, Cam went 1 for 12 in a D1 football game because he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Yet Cole can come in and run 2 or 3 times a game when everyone knows our brilliant coaches are going to make him run every time and he still gets 7.5 yards per carry! I know Cole can throw better than Cam or Quincy as I watched them practice more than a year ago. Then I doubt Cole knew much of the offense, but he knows it now!Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
How do you know this about his leadership? Do you have some inside knowledge? I'm mostly neutral but a little bit with @OrygunBison mostly for the reason you give here: sample size. I just have not seen enough (for me) of Cole to determine whether he is a better all around player at the position or not. I surely believe he is a superior runner, that much I think I have seen. But passing, reading defense, optioning, etc. I guess I don't know and for this whole year I have been giving the benefit of the doubt to those who see practices every day.Quote:
So that is your sample size? Give the kid the keys. If you want LEADERSHIP. The team to get on a kids back. an elite athlete that can really hurt you in multiple ways.......then you make that move. Asking a kid to come into a game. Make a throw with about 18 seconds of notice. "Hey, go in there and run that pass play that we worked on two weeks ago." That isn't fair. He has done everything he was asked to do and then some. His leadership is awesome
Problem is (for me), after that showing down in Frisco I'm harboring more doubts than confidence in those folks. To be clear I'm not in any way hanging that loss on Cam. I think there is plenty of attribution to go around on the Bison side and plenty of kudos to go around on the Bunny side.
[QUOTE=Mr. Burgundy;1606012]Preach! He hasnt been allowed to show his skill set. With that being said....are we satisfied with a qb that operates 50% of the playbook...our coaching staff lead by our HC protects current qb all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
Why cant we play the qb that has more POTENTIAL to be great? Better runner without question...stronger arm.NEEDS an opportunity.. cant just say Cam has won games so he stays...PUSH FORWARD FOR GREATNESS
If you want to say "he was 8 of 12 that's awesome" then you need to own throwing a horrible it lNT.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDbison
He might be better than Cam. I have no idea. But if you are gonna hype limited stats, then own all of this stats. Dude throws an INT over 8% of the time he puts the ball in the air.
Dont get the anti Cam shit. Kid has made some Great throws. Hes made some Great runs as well. Has he made some mistakes? Sure. I would say from what Ive seen the majority of his issues are OC and oline related.
. What I was saying is those stats really say nothing as so spread out.....even the one interception was a fluke. High expectation for a kid to come in cold and make a throw to make up for Cam's stupid show off crap that got a big penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
So, I made my comment and got ripped for judging a kid on such limited information.
What the fuck are all of you basing your assessments on?!? How are you guys so sure that CP is the answer? I've seen absolutely nothing compelling. What have you seen? That's my question.
If you want to just see something different, then just say THAT. But to make finite statements that Jesus is a left-handed answer to our supposed QB'ing woes...that's just silly.
Nobody has seen anything yet. We can't really judge him off of of his limited play.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
Coles play has been during garbage time with backups and the spring game plus 1 bad pass vs SDSU. We can't really judge anything from that. Without question Cole has a stronger arm, is bigger, stronger, faster and has a more dynamic running abilities. What we don't know is how his passing skills have evolved and how he will look next year.
I'll say what I've always said about Cam. He is serviceable but not dynamic. He's not the type of guy who is going to take a team on his back. If that's good enough, we could stick with him and win most games.
There is a reason we don't throw deep much or throw many 20 yard out patterns. He just doesn't have a rocket arm. But he is really good at the short to medium passing game. His running skills surprised me this year. He is solid running in the red zone, and solid when a play breaks down and he takes off. But is he a true running threat when teams prepare for him like that?
At the very least, we have to open up the competition.
I'm not sure I buy the Cole is a better runner than Cam thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
I'm not anti Cam but 1 of 12 for 5 yards in a semi-final game is not good and it wasn't because of the OC or oline IMO. He was flat out awful in throwing in that game and a couple other games this season weren't pretty either. Cam even admitted he wasn't good and they needed to run him more. I just think they need an open unbiased competition this spring and not just give it to Cam because he's been the starter. Best guy needs to be out there, if that's Cam great, if it's Cole or someone else then they should be the starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Cole is a much better runner than Cam is. The guy has averaged 8 ypc running 1 play that everyone knows is coming. At 6-3, 230 its like comparing Gonella to Luepke. Cole is talented enough to be RB1Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Cam is good running when a play breaks down or on a QB draw. He's good in the red zone too but Cole can do everything Cam does with his legs and more
But can he pass?
Fair. I'm with you on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDbison
I'm skeptical about his ability. Great frame and all that. Maybe he is great. Who knows
Let us not forget about how poor our D was, and not sure we were all that great on special teams sans FGs/EPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
They stunk it up at times. But the offense vs UIW didnt get a 1st down until the 2nd quarter and they were never on the field. It's hard to adjust with 3 and outs and a defense on the field for a whole quarter. Still you would like to see them pick up the offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
Then again vs SDSU, they didnt really need a punter
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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Lol lol lol lol
Cam is damn quick and shifty and made game changing runs all season. 561 yards this year! Cole gets to run a play that works really well, Cam has to find a way to fall through the line for a yard over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
He is adequate bit I wouldnt go as far as to say he is "damn quick and shifty." A few of his long runs were simply QB draws or broken plays where the defense was in man and there was nobody within 20 yards. He doesnt break tackles, made 1 guy miss this year, and doesnt burst through holes. When he runs off tackle, he looks awkward and slows down to a near stop waiting for blocks to develop. And on the edge he easily gets tripped up. If he wasnt a QB, he would get 0 carries at running back. Defenses dont respect his running enough so thats part of the reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Mildly harsh. Accurate? DunnoQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Yet he was in a single back when Roehl put Cole in at Qb several times this year, including the Natty. SMFH.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Calf CircumferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
Bewhahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahQuote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
One of the reasons why Roehl is a bad OC. Cole with TMac, Luepke or Kobe is much more dynamic. You gotta respect their abilityQuote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
I dont think its harsh. He chalked up a ton of those yards after injuries started piling up. Luepke made his last carry vs Southen Illinois. Then TMac got dinged. Them Gonella transfered. Cole spraned his ankle. He ran because we ran out of bodies, which inflated his stats. But the offense wasnt nearly as good. We also started running way too much read option when Luepke was injured and went away from the i formation. I actually give Cam a ton of credit because he's not a dynamic runner but he worked his ass off and helped us win games with his legs. His effort was awesome. 67 carries over 5 games is a load for him and I think it took a toll on his body. He's not a huge guy. Without his running we wouldnt have gone as far as we didQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison
Yup, agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
It worked when A-gap power was effective.
Pre game Stig stated his def plan was to bounce a-gap power wide, and control qb run.
Essentially saying he was putting Ndsu offence on cam's arm, receiver crew and Oc scheme passing game.
67 carries by the QB in last five gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
68 carries by Lance in his last five games finishing with 30 against James Madison
So without QB runs our offense is fairly terrible.
And predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevdock
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Originally Posted by stevdock
It might work with an elite runner like Trey Lance. The guy was a deer in football pads and could run 21.5 mph. We will never see a QB that fast again ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49...-run-story?amp
For me the offensive coordinator did not help at times just like in 2012 with Junior Brock which drives a lot of us nuts. One difference between Brock and Cam is that in a big game Brock showed up. Here is the comparisons of the two.
2012 Brock 61% 2,331 yards 17tds and 8 int. and 357 net rushing yards
2022 Cam 66% 1,975 yards 13tds and 5 int. And 561 net rushing yards.
Very similar stats when u add it all up. I will say though at one point in Brock’s junior year I wondered if we should switch to Wentz. But the difference than to now is that all u heard in the background was how amazing Wentz was from everybody associated with the team and you don’t quite here that same thing yet about Cole or at least I haven’t. We do need more than 13 passing tds though going forward.
I mean come on we could not design some better plays in that championship game. That game was frustrating as we did have good wide receivers including one that was basically an second round talent. That game was concerning for the future of our play calling and it still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
And way over half of TL’s rushing yards we’re off of scrambles because WRs couldn’t get open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowgoose
Yes, I do. His leadership is impressive. He came in as a leader and the team rallies around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison
That Cole is still on the roster is impressive in this day and age. Not as impressive as his calves though.
Watson, Ellefson , Babich, and Gindorf were pretty good :rofl: protected by an oline with 3 future NFL guys in Radunz, Volson and Zach Johnson. What is that 8 future NFL players if you include Trey, who hadnt thrown a pick all season. Oh and Luepke was starting to carve out a role, so thats 9 future NFL guys... just on offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowgoose