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No they're not. This just illustrates how wrong it is to keep us captive in FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
FCS would be just fine if they allowed the schools that have outgrown it to move along. We (and a few others) are simply messing it up for everyone else.
I think the top of the FCS is as good as it used to be but that group that used to be from about #5 or #6 onwards is a lot worse. Go back and look at some of the old "Sagarin Says" threads on here and you'll see the overall ranks of the top teams is pretty similar to where NDSU, SDSU, and Montana St are today but once you get to #10 in the FCS or so they used to still be in around #100 overall and now they're down to into the 120s and down further from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Here's the table from a Hammersmith post back on December 15th, 2013 showing the overall rankings for the top 25 FCS teams per Sagarin:
Code:1 24 North Dakota State
2 37 Eastern Illinois
3 66 Towson
4 74 Villanova
5 76 SE Louisiana
6 77 Eastern Washington
7 79 New Hampshire
8 85 William & Mary
9 87 Northern Iowa
10 91 Jacksonville State
11 93 South Dakota State
12 98 Southern Illinois
13 99 Montana
14 101 Missouri State
15 102 Sam Houston State
16 104 Coastal Carolina
17 110 Harvard
18 112 Princeton
19 114 Liberty
20 116 Youngstown State
21 118 Maine
22 119 Cal Poly
23 122 Tennessee State
24 123 Illinois State
25 124 McNeese State
Compare that to what Hammerhead just posted earlier this morning:
Code:38 North Dakota State AA 76.42 MISSOURI VALLEY
48 South Dakota State AA 74.55 MISSOURI VALLEY
73 Montana State AA 69.39 BIG SKY
80 Tarleton State AA 68.01 WESTERN ATHLETIC
81 Montana AA 66.23 BIG SKY
91 North Dakota AA 63.95 MISSOURI VALLEY
106 Southern Illinois AA 61.90 MISSOURI VALLEY
110 Harvard AA 60.71 IVY LEAGUE
114 UC Davis AA 60.16 BIG SKY
115 Austin Peay AA 59.80 WESTERN ATHLETIC
121 Idaho AA 58.94 BIG SKY
123 Northern Arizona AA 58.36 BIG SKY
124 Mercer AA 58.32 SOUTHERN
127 Tennessee Tech AA 58.05 BIG SOUTH/OVC
130 Youngstown State AA 57.76 MISSOURI VALLEY
133 Incarnate Word AA 57.23 SOUTHLAND
136 Yale AA 56.80 IVY LEAGUE
138 West Georgia AA 56.51 WESTERN ATHLETIC
140 SE Louisiana AA 56.14 SOUTHLAND
141 Illinois State AA 56.10 MEAC
143 Sacramento State AA 55.97 BIG SKY
144 South Dakota AA 55.82 MISSOURI VALLEY
145 Stephen F. Austin AA 55.59 SOUTHLAND
146 Monmouth-NJ AA 55.28 COASTAL
147 Dartmouth AA 55.12 IVY LEAGUE
#16 in the FCS Coastal Carolina back in 2013 would be #7 in the FCS these days. Only 13 of the top 25 FCS teams today would've been ranked high enough to be top 25 FCS teams in 2013 per Sagarin.
14 of the top 100 teams at the end of 2007 were FCS teams. UNI was the only team in the top 50 at 41 so maybe Sagarin isn't that accurate. :)
You're probably right (I'm probably wrong). Perhaps the commoners are being affected harder than we are through the port hole?Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Why are FCS teams "worse" today than 10-15 years ago?
Transfer portal and bigger schools poaching the better players from the division to go play with the big boys. In addition to NIL monies making the move even more tempting for the schools who don't have millions of dollars.
Granted this is not the sole reason for lower ratings by Sagarin this year or in recent years, but I'm confident it has a decent part to play in results.
Also, a lot of good FCS programs have gone up and added scholarships. So that is talent disappearing from FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Pep Band
Good point, and all teams we played deep in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
That's probably a factor. The top 5 is still pretty comparable. Also, a good number of teams that often were rated in the top 25 have also left for FBS. (Jacksonville State, James Madison, Sam Houston, Delaware, Kennesaw State, Missouri State, Coastal Carolina, Liberty) That's 8 teams that have left the FCS since the 2013 Sagarin rating that was posted above. 5 of those teams were in that particular rating and the other 3 were consistently rated highly even if they didn't show up in that particular 2013 rating. In my observation very few teams have stepped up and replaced those teams that left in terms of quality of play. With the current state of Transfers and NIL it probably makes it a bit harder for teams to make that jump to compete with the top 5. The 33rd rated team is performing at the same level they were before, but now they are ranked 22nd because of the void that was left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Pep Band
The average FBS team is worse than 10-15 years ago now too. And several top FBS teams are worse too because they lost one of their biggest advantages once everybody could pay players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Pep Band
But, holy cow, some supposedly good FCS teams were really disappointing in their FBS games this year (Montana State, UC Davis, South Dakota, etc.), but for the most parts, FBS teams are playing the crappiest FCS schools they can find.
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New near contender appears near the top.