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Bison"FANatic"
Man those early days sure were different. Heck I remember when teammakers gave out free brats burgers and beer. Man have things changed. People complain and complain and complain but if you actually step back and look at the changes that have occurred over the last 3 years, 5 years 10 years 15 years, It is striking.
Paving the grass lots to the west was huge.
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Bison"FANatic"
Man those early days sure were different. Heck I remember when teammakers gave out free brats burgers and beer. Man have things changed. People complain and complain and complain but if you actually step back and look at the changes that have occurred over the last 3 years, 5 years 10 years 15 years, It is striking.
I take pride in my role in early days of tailgating.
My wife and I were in the lot at 2 pm of the Friday Valpo game with maybe a dozen others. We were among the first to have a tent.
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Talked to Helena today about where we are in line. The best estimate she could give me was about a 10% chance they we'd get spots. The issue they're having right now that is stopping them from knowing exactly where we are on the list is that at the moment the list is full with people who already have spots, but don't want to move when they expand, so until some of those people either absorb the new spots or stand pat they won't know how many of us to turn down. She's expecting most of those people to not do anything, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
She said she is collecting a list of suggestions for the next time "everyone involved with the reserved tailgating process" meets. I'm not sure if I should read into her calling it the reserved process or not, but I suggested upping the price of GA spots, requiring a minimum of 2 and numbering them like reserved to encourage tailgating vs. Parking.
I asked her if there were any specific groups or people they we fans should help pressure to show the demand for expansion and her suggestion was to contact businesses around the dome to see if they'd be interested in hosting tailgating at their locations.
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I cant wait for all the rich reserved pricks to buy season passes in the West GA lot that's now reserved just so they can park their cars since they have all the priority points.
CANT WAIT... *fart noise*
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One thing they could consider is that many of the new reserved spots or a portion of them could only go to those that do not already have reserved spots with the assumption that these would predominantly go to current GA tailgaters. Although not perfect, this could prevent established groups from monopolizing all the new spots and thus essentially reducing the GA supply - which would than have overall increased demand if none of the current GA tailgaters get reserved spots. Imagine the rugby field sh--show on Friday or even Thursday if none of the current GA tailgates got reserved spots and have to line up even earlier to get into GA tailgate.
Doing the the GA line on Friday significantly increases the duration of tailgating and I have much respect for how hardcore these groups are. Many epitomize Bison Nation and are an important part of the herd. Many had to buy rigs to sleep in overnight and some sleep in their cars or trailers on cots overnight and even take shifts. How many of the current reserved spot tailgaters would do this? Go sleep in your car on the side of a road before answering this and don't forget a urinal. I think many would be surprised how many of GA tailgaters do not have tickets and tailgate before going elsewhere to watch the game on TV. Look at the density of the GA tailgate vs the north end of the same lot. No comparison many weeks. Could see the same thing happen if current GA tailgaters do not get any of the the new reserved passes.
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Son of a Bison
One thing they could consider is that many of the new reserved spots or a portion of them could only go to those that do not already have reserved spots with the assumption that these would predominantly go to current GA tailgaters. Although not perfect, this could prevent established groups from monopolizing all the new spots and thus essentially reducing the GA supply - which would than have overall increased demand if none of the current GA tailgaters get reserved spots. Imagine the rugby field sh--show on Friday or even Thursday if none of the current GA tailgates got reserved spots and have to line up even earlier to get into GA tailgate.
Doing the the GA line on Friday significantly increases the duration of tailgating and I have much respect for how hardcore these groups are. Many epitomize Bison Nation and are an important part of the herd. Many had to buy rigs to sleep in overnight and some sleep in their cars or trailers on cots overnight and even take shifts. How many of the current reserved spot tailgaters would do this? Go sleep in your car on the side of a road before answering this and don't forget a urinal. I think many would be surprised how many of GA tailgaters do not have tickets and tailgate before going elsewhere to watch the game on TV. Look at the density of the GA tailgate vs the north end of the same lot. No comparison many weeks. Could see the same thing happen if current GA tailgaters do not get any of the the new reserved passes.
If you have the max amount now you can only move or keep current, I cannot keep my current spots and get more in the new area.
I can however move to the new lot, which would open mine up in the old spots..
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Good for NDSU for making money on this, but sucks that it likely spells the end of tailgating for my group. I spent plenty of nights sleeping in the Jeep- all worth it, of course. At any rate, it saves me a 14 hour drive on weekends. :)
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BattleBorn
Good for NDSU for making money on this, but sucks that it likely spells the end of tailgating for my group. I spent plenty of nights sleeping in the Jeep- all worth it, of course. At any rate, it saves me a 14 hour drive on weekends. :)
Don't underestimate the impact of having single game reserved passes now. This depends on people who have reserved passes but won't be tailgating to have the initiative to sell them but I think that has a much better chance of impacting the GA line than the 250 spots being converted from GA to reserved will.
Also, I know there are some people who just enjoy the GA process of setting up camp overnight. It basically extends the party a full day so no matter what those folks are still going to be in the GA line.
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Professor Chaos
Don't underestimate the impact of having single game reserved passes now. This depends on people who have reserved passes but won't be tailgating to have the initiative to sell them but I think that has a much better chance of impacting the GA line than the 250 spots being converted from GA to reserved will.
Also, I know there are some people who just enjoy the GA process of setting up camp overnight. It basically extends the party a full day so no matter what those folks are still going to be in the GA line.
Agreed. This single pass system was LONG over due (like anything Pat S has his hands on). I hope TM does a full blitz making clear to people it is important to sell them when not used. Since I don't think Pat has any semblance of understanding of the situation, I am sure he won't and his "helping the blue collar fan" will blow up in his face with folks discretely drinking EtOH in non-approved areas.
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This whole tailgating issues has a wide range of issues and or ideas from people.
#1 Unlimited GA tailgate spots so no line has to be formed the night before
#2 Reserved spots so someone can show up at 1:30 (2:30 kickoff) driving in while avoiding all the people walking around and park in their spot and have a beer before going into the game.
#3 Let me drink and park anywhere I want.
There are other issues I am sure. As a poster already said look at what it was like over 10 years ago. First come first served for all spots. Was in line many times at 5:00 am or earlier depending on lot opening time. Much wasted space because many people purchased more spots than needed. Will this ever be a perfect system, NO. Is it pretty good , YES. Can it be improved, YES. Change takes time people.
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Son of a Bison
One thing they could consider is that many of the new reserved spots or a portion of them could only go to those that do not already have reserved spots with the assumption that these would predominantly go to current GA tailgaters. Although not perfect, this could prevent established groups from monopolizing all the new spots and thus essentially reducing the GA supply - which would than have overall increased demand if none of the current GA tailgaters get reserved spots. Imagine the rugby field sh--show on Friday or even Thursday if none of the current GA tailgates got reserved spots and have to line up even earlier to get into GA tailgate.
Doing the the GA line on Friday significantly increases the duration of tailgating and I have much respect for how hardcore these groups are. Many epitomize Bison Nation and are an important part of the herd. Many had to buy rigs to sleep in overnight and some sleep in their cars or trailers on cots overnight and even take shifts. How many of the current reserved spot tailgaters would do this? Go sleep in your car on the side of a road before answering this and don't forget a urinal. I think many would be surprised how many of GA tailgaters do not have tickets and tailgate before going elsewhere to watch the game on TV. Look at the density of the GA tailgate vs the north end of the same lot. No comparison many weeks. Could see the same thing happen if current GA tailgaters do not get any of the the new reserved passes.
Many of the current reserved spot holders did exactly that. Its not like this is a new thing. Happens all over the US on Friday before game day.
Second point. Ive brought up that fact a few times. Making sure everyone in the GA line has tickets would help solve the problem.
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56BISON73
Making sure everyone in the GA line has tickets would help solve the problem.
Someday if we ever expand the stadium we are going to need those people though. If they want to tailgate without a ticket I say go for it.
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THEsocalledfan
Agreed. This single pass system was LONG over due (like anything Pat S has his hands on). I hope TM does a full blitz making clear to people it is important to sell them when not used. Since I don't think Pat has any semblance of understanding of the situation, I am sure he won't and his "helping the blue collar fan" will blow up in his face with folks discretely drinking EtOH in non-approved areas.
Your ignorance and over the top behavior is astounding. How old are you? JFC
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[QUOTE=Bison"FANatic";1205877]Someday if we ever expand the stadium we are going to need those people though. If they want to tailgate without a ticket I say go for it.[/QUOTE
By the time the new stadium gets built the need will still be there. Plus those folks are going to be 10 years older. Priorities will have changed etc etc.
If you are going to try and solve a non problem then somebody is going to be inconvenienced.
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New stadium in 10 years?!? OK. Go on wit yo bad self.
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bisonaudit
New stadium in 10 years?!? OK. Go on wit yo bad self.
Nah, he meant we'll invent time travel in 10 years so they will only be 10 years older when they go forward to the far future (100 years? sounds right) where there's a new stadium.
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56BISON73
Your ignorance and over the top behavior is astounding. How old are you? JFC
We shall see. I would LOVE for him to prove me wrong.
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THEsocalledfan
We shall see. I would LOVE for him to prove me wrong.
Youve already been wrong but your just too ignorant to realize it.
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CANT WAIT FOR ALL THE RESERVED TEAMMAKERS TO BUY UP ALL THE SW GA LOT NOW WITH THEIR POINTS SO THEY CAN PARK THEIR ESCALADES THERE> total fail
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Haven't had much time to follow the different threads containing these discussions so I'm sure I'm missing a bunch that has already been discussed, my apologies if my points have already been raised by others. That being said, my opinion on why myself and others seem to be frustrated:
- NDSU leadership always seems to be ahead of the curve, especially in the athletic department. It definitely comes off as NDSU being behind the times when people are being turned away, or at least inconvenienced with having to wait hours to get into a tailgate lot. Don't forget, athletics are a celebration of the university, and tailgating is a major part of that when it comes to college football.
- Going to other schools to tailgate, I don't seem to remember event staff and police officers stalking the lots constantly. I tailgated at the University of Alabama last year, and walking towards the grove where tailgating and drinking is permitted, A cop asked if he could, and then did, open my beer for me on a public street before noon (before giving me a 'Roll Tide'). The group I was with (kids from Bama and two other SEC schools) kept making fun of me because I thought it was a trap for drinking in public. If a police officer opened a beer for anyone waiting in the tailgate line in Fargo, hell itself would freeze over. The state of ND prides themselves on the freedom to do as one pleases, as long as it doesn't hurt others. What exactly does expanding tailgating hurt?
- There isn't a shortage of space, facilities, fan interest, or any additional cost to NDSU (at least to my knowledge) to expanding tailgating. There are honestly hundreds of schools that have these issues when it comes to tailgating. It is frustrating that it appears that NDSU leadership is the limiting factor to tailgating.
All I can come up with regarding the tailgate being limited is:
- The FargoDome won't let them expand tailgating, whether due to a perceived need for increased surveillance in the lots (BS, IMO) or crowd control in the dome (again, BS).
- The City of Fargo and/or Fargo Police Dept. can't get the stick out of their ass and let people have fun. Judging by the interactions I've had with Fargo Police in the tailgate lots, this might need to be point #1...
- NDSU leadership has decided to choke off supply to drive up demand and are trying to limit supply of tailgating spots for either the ability to directly increase the cost of reserved tailgating spots, or to indirectly create an air of exclusivity around NDSU football (increasing the ability to drive up prices for tickets in the already supply-choked FargoDome).
All of that being said, I met PL briefly when he and others brought food to my friends and I when we camped out as students during the 2011-2012 season. I trust and respect him on this issue. I just thought I'd express my frustrations, well-placed or not, on this topic. At the end of the day we're all supporting the same program in the way we think is best...
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I'm eating asian bombs and enjoying this thread from labbys!
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scottietohottie
I'm eating asian bombs...
Damn North Koreans.
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AKBison
Agreed, we still have a long ways to go though, and lots of things to improve on. Iowa State is the gold standard for tailgating.
Yet, one of the most impressive tailgating experiences I've ever had was watching you guys come into Ames, rig after rig after rig, for tailgating. In my tailgating notebook (which I usually put on a table for guests to view), I still lead with a photo of the NDSU bus with the painting of a guy hanging out of the window to get a beer from a cooler stored below. That is the gold standard!
Now, enough about tailgating quality, let's get to tailgating quantity. Iowa State has 6545 parking spots on concrete! That doesn't include the grass lot where most of your cars parked (grrrr), the massive grass lots east and southeast of the stadium, or the city streets. Added together, we must have 15,000 parking spots controlled by the university.
Here is a link to a map: http://www.parking.iastate.edu/tailgating.
Most of the lots are organized by donor level. Only the S lots near the stadium are assigned by parking spot. The A, B, C, D (RV), G-6, and G-7 lots require a $500 donation minimum plus $100 for the season pass to get in, but are first-come/first-served once in the lots. And now they are closing aisles once they are full so you don't have to worry about traffic coming through. The B-1, B-2, C-1, C-2, G-2, G-3, G-4, and G-5 (and the grass around Hilton where you guys were, grrrrr) are public ($20 to get in, first-come/first-served for spots, $40 for RVs).
Last year, they started an online picking system in which all but the S-lot donors picked lots in order of donation level. Other than using a Flash interface for the picking system, it seems to work pretty well.
Reserve lots open at 7:30am (the day before for RVs) or 6 hours before kickoff whichever is earlier. Public lots open 6 hours before kickoff.
And just to pour fuel on your fire, there is almost no policing of the lots. Occasionally, a cop on a bike rides through, but I have only rarely seen them do any act of enforcement, despite people walking everywhere with alcohol. It is only when someone gets totally wasted and antagonistic that they do anything other than help control traffic for pedestrians to cross the street.
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CyPanth
Yet, one of the most impressive tailgating experiences I've ever had was watching you guys come into Ames, rig after rig after rig, for tailgating. In my tailgating notebook (which I usually put on a table for guests to view), I still lead with a photo of the NDSU bus with the painting of a guy hanging out of the window to get a beer from a cooler stored below. That is the gold standard!
Now, enough about tailgating quality, let's get to tailgating quantity. Iowa State has 6545 parking spots on concrete! That
doesn't include the grass lot where most of your cars parked (grrrr), the massive grass lots east and southeast of the stadium, or the city streets. Added together, we must have 15,000 parking spots controlled by the university.
Here is a link to a map:
http://www.parking.iastate.edu/tailgating.
Most of the lots are organized by donor level. Only the S lots near the stadium are assigned by parking spot. The A, B, C, D (RV), G-6, and G-7 lots require a $500 donation minimum plus $100 for the season pass to get in, but are first-come/first-served once in the lots. And now they are closing aisles once they are full so you don't have to worry about traffic coming through. The B-1, B-2, C-1, C-2, G-2, G-3, G-4, and G-5 (and the grass around Hilton where you guys were, grrrrr) are public ($20 to get in, first-come/first-served for spots, $40 for RVs).
Last year, they started an online picking system in which all but the S-lot donors picked lots in order of donation level. Other than using a Flash interface for the picking system, it seems to work pretty well.
Reserve lots open at 7:30am (the day before for RVs) or 6 hours before kickoff whichever is earlier. Public lots open 6 hours before kickoff.
And just to pour fuel on your fire, there is almost no policing of the lots. Occasionally, a cop on a bike rides through, but I have only rarely seen them do any act of enforcement, despite people walking everywhere with alcohol. It is only when someone gets totally wasted and antagonistic that they do anything other than help control traffic for pedestrians to cross the street.
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THEsocalledfan
Careful with presenting facts in this thread. I do and I am called ignorant.
You've been called a lot worse! :D
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THEsocalledfan
Careful with presenting facts in this thread. I do and I am called ignorant.
It seems that I may have posted in the wrong thread as there is much more discussion in the other one. To be honest, I get lost in trying to figure out exactly what your tailgating problems are. But I thought it might be helpful to know how we do it.
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CyPanth
It seems that I may have posted in the wrong thread as there is much more discussion in the other one. To be honest, I get lost in trying to figure out exactly what your tailgating problems are. But I thought it might be helpful to know how we do it.
THE major issue is lack of supply for early season games. Some others also get riled up about the nazi like atmosphere, but they seem to have been better to me the last couple years. (Yes, I fully realize the nazi's are not necessary as you pointed out, but by God, Fargo knows best and could not possibly be wrong.....)
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People being able to sell their spots on a a per game basis was the best thing they did. Now people at least have a chance of getting a frw people to pay some money and get aome spots, and the lot should always be full.
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Bison03
People being able to sell their spots on a a per game basis was the best thing they did. Now people at least have a chance of getting a frw people to pay some money and get aome spots, and the lot should always be full.
And if folks don't take the time to give or sell their spots, we will have an effing nightmare due to pulling 1/2 of GA. Everyone on here needs to encourage those with spots to make sure they are used.
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THEsocalledfan
And if folks don't take the time to give or sell their spots, we will have an effing nightmare due to pulling 1/2 of GA. Everyone on here needs to encourage those with spots to make sure they are used.
Agreed, just like making sure your tickets to the game are used. If you have to give them away for free, yes I said free. Get them in someone's hands that can use them.
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THEsocalledfan
And if folks don't take the time to give or sell their spots, we will have an effing nightmare due to pulling 1/2 of GA. Everyone on here needs to encourage those with spots to make sure they are used.
This is what I don't get. So they do one great thing in allowing people to sell their single game tailgating spots(duh, this should have been a thing a long time ago), but they basically cancel it out or more by halving the GA spots.
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EndZoneQB
This is what I don't get. So they do one great thing in allowing people to sell their single game tailgating spots(duh, this should have been a thing a long time ago), but they basically cancel it out or more by halving the GA spots.
Pat Simmers logic.
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Bison03
People being able to sell their spots on a a per game basis was the best thing they did. Now people at least have a chance of getting a frw people to pay some money and get aome spots, and the lot should always be full.
I forgot to mention that all Iowa State season parking passes are provided in strips of passes with each game marked on them, so you can give them to others or sell them.
Glad to see that your administration is moving forward on that.
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THEsocalledfan
Pat Simmers logic.
Could it possibly be this is staged...just hear me out. So they halve the GA spots to create more reserved (and make some more money). The administration plays dumb and says all is good. Along comes the fall and this created problems and many are upset and they have a need for more spots...and then take this need to the "committee" and show they have to add another lot.
Or, they just simply halved the amount of GA spots, and halved the amount of people needing GA spots and it stay the same as last year.
If either of those are true, this could be a win.
If demand for GA spots does not get cut in half and there was no long run plan for another lot, this could be a fail. I have an idea which it is...but it is just a guess. I'm hoping this eventually this turns out as a win. Time will tell.
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Or, they just simply halved the amount of GA spots, and halved the amount of people needing GA spots and it stay the same as last year.
Didn't happen the last time they halved the GA spots. Instead the it got worse.
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I got spots for my group the last round in the north G lot. Was basically told we didn't have enough to move to the south this time and add 2, so where did all the huge donors come from all of a sudden? Our group was 2nd to pick last time so we must have ranked fairly good, now after several years we are that far down??
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TransAmBison
Could it possibly be this is staged...just hear me out. So they halve the GA spots to create more reserved (and make some more money). The administration plays dumb and says all is good. Along comes the fall and this created problems and many are upset and they have a need for more spots...and then take this need to the "committee" and show they have to add another lot.
Or, they just simply halved the amount of GA spots, and halved the amount of people needing GA spots and it stay the same as last year.
If either of those are true, this could be a win.
If demand for GA spots does not get cut in half and there was no long run plan for another lot, this could be a fail. I have an idea which it is...but it is just a guess. I'm hoping this eventually this turns out as a win. Time will tell.
If this is how it plays out, I will gladly eat crow. I just don't see that happening. Tailgating isn't getting smaller.......friends I know that don't even particularly like NDSU have rigs now...
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EndZoneQB
If this is how it plays out, I will gladly eat crow. I just don't see that happening. Tailgating isn't getting smaller.......friends I know that don't even particularly like NDSU have rigs now...
Agree with EZ on this. Shit, I'd throw a party to celebrate eating crow.
My guess: They lack the leadership/political capital to take on the people who do not want expansion. But, they want to make more money, so they decide to cater to the bigger donors since the situation is so problematic and see the coming GA fiasco as a necessary evil. Realizing this, they hope the single game pass system alleviates some of the pain and prevents an epic meltdown of the system.
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One other thought. If the system melts down for early season game as I think it will, folks need to tell the stories and take pictures. We need this stuff on social media as that will help make change. We can't just say "ah, shucks, this is okay" because anyone with common sense should see the pending issues.
I'll gladly pay a beer to everyone who posts an original picture on social media of people being turned away from GA next year.
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A negative would be if they eliminated the rugby field circle of wagons which lead to free Friday tailgating. The GA crews have it right.