A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Somewhere in the 40s perhaps. Along with the Jackrabbits of Brookings.

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There's the top 20 that would beat us most of the time (we win a one off here or there)

but 20-40 is definitely NDSU zone

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Even though you feel it would be eating a crap sandwich, I'm happy to hear yours among the voices who recognize the need to get into FBS, even if it is by way of the CUSA. Which, by the way, I don't believe would be as awful as you think. I think NDSU would help the conference become something better than it is now.

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Would NDSU joining the NEC make them an FCS powerhouse?
Or OSU joining the MVFC? I don't see it.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Would NDSU joining the NEC make them an FCS powerhouse?
Or OSU joining the MVFC? I don't see it.

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I think NDSU would make CUSA stronger in several ways.

First, I believe we would be a perennial top 20 team, which would improve the strength of schedule for the conference.

Second, I think our inclusion would result in a better media deal, by which I mean to say that each member would receive a bigger payout than they would if we weren't in the conference.

Third, I think because of reasons #1 and #2, we wouldn't see so many members in such a hurry to leave. Rather, we might see schools start to have some pride in the CUSA and re-double their efforts to make the conference stronger.

Fourth, I think our presence (especially after a year or two) could attract other schools to consider CUSA (e.g. UCONN, UMASS, SDSU, Missouri State, etc).

Finally, I think with us in the conference, CUSA would then have 3 schools (NDSU, Liberty, and WKU) who would routinely be expected to beat OCC G5s and would be expected to be competitive with OCC P5s. Those three schools would also regularly make bowl appearances and would often beat their bowl opponents. Those things go along way to improve the image of the conference and would inspire other members to step up (especially UTEP).

I wrote some of this several months ago but here it goes again.

NDSU as an FBS Independent would be interesting to me. Find 16 teams out of all of the FBS to agree to regular home/home arrangements so that you're playing them every other year, every 4 years at home. With 16 of those, you'd have half of your regular schedule, 4 of them at home. Teams that could reasonably be on this list:

Any of the AAC teams
Any of the SBC teams
Any of the MAC teams
Any of the MWC teams
Any of the CUSA teams
Minnesota to fill their stadium
Any bottom feeder P5 team (Vandy / Kentucky / South Carolina / Kansas / Maryland / Rutgers / Northwestern / Arizona / Oregon State / Cal / Boston College / Duke / Wake / Syracuse)

Obviously, not every team from those conferences would make that arrangement with us but out of those 80ish schools, I feel like we'd get several takers. After all, they're trying to fill out their schedules with counters as well.

Add in a high end or high interest FCS team (SDSU / USD / UNI / UND / MSU / UM / etc) as a home game and that brings to you 9 games, 5 of them at home.

Add two P5 teams, now we have a schedule.

Do this for a few years as we woo a conference invite or two. I'd do this before taking a CUSA invitation, mainly because you wouldn't be burdened by any bad decisions that the conference makes over the next few years while it's trying to get its head above water again. At the same time, this would allow for growth in football while the rest of our sports improve to a better mid-major quality. (I'm mainly thinking of basketball here. Our other sports are mostly pretty solid and competing at a fairly high level.)

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I think NDSU would make CUSA stronger in several ways.

First, I believe we would be a perennial top 20 team, which would improve the strength of schedule for the conference.

Second, I think our inclusion would result in a better media deal, by which I mean to say that each member would receive a bigger payout than they would if we weren't in the conference.

Third, I think because of reasons #1 and #2, we wouldn't see so many members in such a hurry to leave. Rather, we might see schools start to have some pride in the CUSA and re-double their efforts to make the conference stronger.

Fourth, I think our presence (especially after a year or two) could attract other schools to consider CUSA (e.g. UCONN, UMASS, SDSU, Missouri State, etc).

Finally, I think with us in the conference, CUSA would then have 3 schools (NDSU, Liberty, and WKU) who would routinely be expected to beat OCC G5s and would be expected to be competitive with OCC P5s. Those three schools would also regularly make bowl appearances and would often beat their bowl opponents. Those things go along way to improve the image of the conference and would inspire other members to step up (especially UTEP).

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Liberty and WKU are middling 5-7 to 9-5 type teams in most recent years.
Liberty's one great year was the 2020 covid asterisk season that was wacky, sort of like SHSU.
And even in that "great" year they wouldn't have made a 12 or 16 team CFP.

They were 8-5 last year, and almost lost to a bad USM team last week.
WKU struggled to put away Austin Peay, and then beat a weak Hawaii team.
MTSU would be the 3rd best team, they got crushed by JMU.

I see nothing about those teams that screams powerhouse.

You're best argument is #4, but those aren't the teams I would want to see.
UMass and UConn are great at basketball, and suck at football.
If they were good at Football, they'd be in a P5 conference.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Delusional, idiotic, moronic. Always with the put downs and name calling. I could probably lob a few insults back at you for what I think of your opinions, but I don't come here to put others down and feel better about myself.

If we make similar strides to what we have in 25 years, being a school of the caliber of Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State is absolutely within reason. Take yourself back to wherever you were in '97 and think how far we've come since then.

Yes it's optimistic and not guaranteed we'll get there. But it's within reason to have that as our goal. Just like the growth of the last 25 years was.

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OK, now you've insulted me without merit and that makes me upset.
Name calling? No. Name it. I've never done that without providing a reason. Name it or STFU.
Put downs? No. Same. Put up or STFU.
Yes, I've called various posters delusional, but not without reason that I've always explained. Truth is some people here truly are delusional. Pointing that out isn't a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

I wrote some of this several months ago but here it goes again.

NDSU as an FBS Independent would be interesting to me. Find 16 teams out of all of the FBS to agree to regular home/home arrangements so that you're playing them every other year, every 4 years at home. With 16 of those, you'd have half of your regular schedule, 4 of them at home. Teams that could reasonably be on this list:

Any of the AAC teams
Any of the SBC teams
Any of the MAC teams
Any of the MWC teams
Any of the CUSA teams
Minnesota to fill their stadium
Any bottom feeder P5 team (Vandy / Kentucky / South Carolina / Kansas / Maryland / Rutgers / Northwestern / Arizona / Oregon State / Cal / Boston College / Duke / Wake / Syracuse)

Obviously, not every team from those conferences would make that arrangement with us but out of those 80ish schools, I feel like we'd get several takers. After all, they're trying to fill out their schedules with counters as well.

Add in a high end or high interest FCS team (SDSU / USD / UNI / UND / MSU / UM / etc) as a home game and that brings to you 9 games, 5 of them at home.

Add two P5 teams, now we have a schedule.

Do this for a few years as we woo a conference invite or two. I'd do this before taking a CUSA invitation, mainly because you wouldn't be burdened by any bad decisions that the conference makes over the next few years while it's trying to get its head above water again. At the same time, this would allow for growth in football while the rest of our sports improve to a better mid-major quality. (I'm mainly thinking of basketball here. Our other sports are mostly pretty solid and competing at a fairly high level.)

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Absolutely!

independent is a very tough path, but at least you wouldn't be dragged down this way.
We need to look at this from the perspective of what might give a reasonable outside shot at the CFP.
Joining a conference won't likely be for just a couple years, it sets the path.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

this is the way. FARGO > Lawrence or Manhattan or Ames for pete's sake.

Build a 50,000 seat stadium & tell Big 12 we will come.


but we might just have to be CUSA.

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There’s the delusion we love.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Absolutely!

independent is a very tough path, but at least you wouldn't be dragged down this way.
We need to look at this from the perspective of what might give a reasonable outside shot at the CFP.
Joining a conference won't likely be for just a couple years, it sets the path.

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I've suggested independence before as well. I'm not sure which one gets me the most pushback--independence or CUSA. I get a ton of pushback with either suggestion, but apparently not necessarily from the same people (although I can think of a couple posters who hate both ideas).

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Delusional, idiotic, moronic. Always with the put downs and name calling. I could probably lob a few insults back at you for what I think of your opinions, but I don't come here to put others down and feel better about myself.

If we make similar strides to what we have in 25 years, being a school of the caliber of Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State is absolutely within reason. Take yourself back to wherever you were in '97 and think how far we've come since then.

Yes it's optimistic and not guaranteed we'll get there. But it's within reason to have that as our goal. Just like the growth of the last 25 years was.

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It's all made up bullshit that's why (see post about being independent which would be completely unrealistic). Nobody has made one single valid point about why or how any FBS conference would want or need NDSU (except CUSA) without making up random rainbow bright garbage.

You don't wanna hear other humans real opinions? Let's all hope and pray like all us Vikings fans every year and then get wailed in the dick when reality hits.

50K stadium...lol.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I think NDSU would make CUSA stronger in several ways.

First, I believe we would be a perennial top 20 team, which would improve the strength of schedule for the conference.

Second, I think our inclusion would result in a better media deal, by which I mean to say that each member would receive a bigger payout than they would if we weren't in the conference.

Third, I think because of reasons #1 and #2, we wouldn't see so many members in such a hurry to leave. Rather, we might see schools start to have some pride in the CUSA and re-double their efforts to make the conference stronger.

Fourth, I think our presence (especially after a year or two) could attract other schools to consider CUSA (e.g. UCONN, UMASS, SDSU, Missouri State, etc).

Finally, I think with us in the conference, CUSA would then have 3 schools (NDSU, Liberty, and WKU) who would routinely be expected to beat OCC G5s and would be expected to be competitive with OCC P5s. Those three schools would also regularly make bowl appearances and would often beat their bowl opponents. Those things go along way to improve the image of the conference and would inspire other members to step up (especially UTEP).

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That's a lot of stretching. Would be great, but I doubt half of that would happen....but as of today it's the only door available to open for NDSU.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

That's a lot of stretching. Would be great, but I doubt half of that would happen....but as of today it's the only door available to open for NDSU.

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I'll take that. Friends forever.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I think NDSU would make CUSA stronger in several ways.

First, I believe we would be a perennial top 20 team, which would improve the strength of schedule for the conference.

Second, I think our inclusion would result in a better media deal, by which I mean to say that each member would receive a bigger payout than they would if we weren't in the conference.

Third, I think because of reasons #1 and #2, we wouldn't see so many members in such a hurry to leave. Rather, we might see schools start to have some pride in the CUSA and re-double their efforts to make the conference stronger.

Fourth, I think our presence (especially after a year or two) could attract other schools to consider CUSA (e.g. UCONN, UMASS, SDSU, Missouri State, etc).

Finally, I think with us in the conference, CUSA would then have 3 schools (NDSU, Liberty, and WKU) who would routinely be expected to beat OCC G5s and would be expected to be competitive with OCC P5s. Those three schools would also regularly make bowl appearances and would often beat their bowl opponents. Those things go along way to improve the image of the conference and would inspire other members to step up (especially UTEP).

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CUSA seems to be mired in too much potential change in the coming years and I would be wary of joining unless it is easy to get out. It really isn't like the Great West analogy at all given what's at stake with potentially getting screwed. The GWC was really just about helping a few schools with their scheduling of football. No other sports were involved and there wasn't anything horribly binding in the arrangement. I'd rather be indy with a strong strategy for scheduling.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

It's all made up bullshit that's why (see post about being independent which would be completely unrealistic). Nobody has made one single valid point about why or how any FBS conference would want or need NDSU (except CUSA) without making up random rainbow bright garbage.

You don't wanna hear other humans real opinions? Let's all hope and pray like all us Vikings fans every year and then get wailed in the dick when reality hits.

50K stadium...lol.

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How about the fact that in the next couple years you will need strong football programs in your conference as a G5 if you have any dream of one of your teams making the playoffs. There are not enough strong G5 teams to make every conference stronger so ... In theory that's NDSU's "advantage"

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

How about the fact that in the next couple years you will need strong football programs in your conference as a G5 if you have any dream of one of your teams making the playoffs. There are not enough strong G5 teams to make every conference stronger so ... In theory that's NDSU's "advantage"

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Exactly what I was thinking. I also think the market you are in become less off an issue because they will now be looking for strength to move them up the picking order.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

It's all made up bullshit that's why (see post about being independent which would be completely unrealistic). Nobody has made one single valid point about why or how any FBS conference would want or need NDSU (except CUSA) without making up random rainbow bright garbage.

You don't wanna hear other humans real opinions? Let's all hope and pray like all us Vikings fans every year and then get wailed in the dick when reality hits.

50K stadium...lol.

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Its actually complete speculation that CUSA wants us either.
The last thing I saw is they might hold tight unless/until WKU and MTSU leave.
We just assume they would take us because they were desperate enough to take JSU.

The candidates being floated around are Texas and South teams like SFA, Tarleton and Kennesaw.
None of those appeal to me even if we were included. CUSA is the new SLC.

And 50k stadiums? SHSU can't get 10k, LOL

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

How about the fact that in the next couple years you will need strong football programs in your conference as a G5 if you have any dream of one of your teams making the playoffs. There are not enough strong G5 teams to make every conference stronger so ... In theory that's NDSU's "advantage"

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MWC strong enough as is without NDSU.

Or flip your scenario…MWC team needs to go undefeated in conference to be the one G5 team and those schools run the risk of a loss with NDSU.

MAC and MWC at 12. maybe MWC would lose teams I doubt the MAC will. 12 and 2 divisions is perfect for them right now.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

MWC strong enough as is without NDSU.

Or flip your scenario…MWC team needs to go undefeated in conference to be the one G5 team and those schools run the risk of a loss with NDSU.

MAC and MWC at 12. maybe MWC would lose teams I doubt the MAC will. 12 and 2 divisions is perfect for them right now.

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With the new scenarios and parameters no G5 conference can consider itself "strong enough".

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Originally Posted by taper

OK, now you've insulted me without merit and that makes me upset.
Name calling? No. Name it. I've never done that without providing a reason. Name it or STFU.
Put downs? No. Same. Put up or STFU.
Yes, I've called various posters delusional, but not without reason that I've always explained. Truth is some people here truly are delusional. Pointing that out isn't a bad thing.

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Well I had to spend all of 15 seconds to go back 2 days and see you calling people insane so…

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

It's all made up bullshit that's why (see post about being independent which would be completely unrealistic). Nobody has made one single valid point about why or how any FBS conference would want or need NDSU (except CUSA) without making up random rainbow bright garbage.

You don't wanna hear other humans real opinions? Let's all hope and pray like all us Vikings fans every year and then get wailed in the dick when reality hits.

50K stadium...lol.

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Who said I didn’t want to hear other peoples’ opinions? The first paragraph of my post was about a poster calling me delusional for having lofty goals for 25 years down the road. I thought it was out of line.

It is very not hard to see a situation in which the Mountain West loses Boise and SDSU and then looks to backfill. I truly think Montana and NDSU are the two best-fit schools to replace them. It's fine if people disagree with me, but I don't see my previous two sentences are "making up random rainbow bright garbage".

I think it’s just fine that people have different opinions. I’m usually pretty contrarian myself…

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Its actually complete speculation that CUSA wants us either.
The last thing I saw is they might hold tight unless/until WKU and MTSU leave.
We just assume they would take us because they were desperate enough to take JSU.

The candidates being floated around are Texas and South teams like SFA, Tarleton and Kennesaw.
None of those appeal to me even if we were included. CUSA is the new SLC.

And 50k stadiums? SHSU can't get 10k, LOL

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Gotta start somewhere. When we moved to DI we were in a BB conference with Cemetery and signed up for the Great West with CS Northridge, UC Davis, and Cal Poly. Starting out in FBS with UTEP, La Tech, and WKU is a step up. If we could get 1, or better yet two of, of SDSU, UNI, Mo State, Montana, ISUr to go with us the situation gets better. Add in SHSU and #Cocky, schools that hard core Bison fans already dislike, that would give us at least 5-6 annual conference games that move the needle some what. The big pay off for fans is an annual P5 game and the home/away G5 game against a somewhat regional opponent. (Wyo, CSU, Tulsa, CMU, etc.) Heck, I bet if we could get a game at Hawaii early on in the transition, we could travel 5000 to the game.

It's definitely a huge risk though so I get it. If we don't make a successful transition and get all of our facilities, budgets, and coaching salaries up to a mid tier AAC/MWC level then it would be easy to get bogged down in mediocrity.

BOTTOM LINE- If we have the $$ it takes to move up and be successful, then CUSA would be a perfect landing spot.

Stadium? “Covid exemption”

Money? Hawaii extra game(s) “geography”exemption

Schedule? Can’t we just be like Independent and play our schedule knowing FCs is half counters or whatever?

Been in the “no playoffs” penalty box for transitions before.

Is it really THAT crazy?

Instead of trying to fit like an AMAZING puzzle piece.

Just get like some exemptions like other schools get?

Is that cheating?

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Originally Posted by I miss Chubs

Stadium? “Covid exemption”

Money? Hawaii extra game(s) “geography”exemption

Schedule? Can’t we just be like Independent and play our schedule knowing FCs is half counters or whatever?

Been in the “no playoffs” penalty box for transitions before.

Is it really THAT crazy?

Instead of trying to fit like an AMAZING puzzle piece.

Just get like some exemptions like other schools get?

Is that cheating?

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My answer is yes.

The only thing I've ever seen published with NDSU and CUSA was Matt Brown reporting that they asked us the last round, and NDSU firmly said no, so they went with other schools instead. Even that was denied though.

If that rumor was true, it was and remains absolutely the right decision.
We can do much better, and MWC could become a real option later this year.
I don't understand why people here think we need to act like desperate beggers.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Who said I didn’t want to hear other peoples’ opinions? The first paragraph of my post was about a poster calling me delusional for having lofty goals for 25 years down the road. I thought it was out of line.

It is very not hard to see a situation in which the Mountain West loses Boise and SDSU and then looks to backfill. I truly think Montana and NDSU are the two best-fit schools to replace them. It's fine if people disagree with me, but I don't see my previous two sentences are "making up random rainbow bright garbage".

I think it’s just fine that people have different opinions. I’m usually pretty contrarian myself…

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How is Montana a good fit but not Montana St? School wise MSU blows UM out of the water!

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

Yep, it's always the same thing with those people. They aren't here to discuss any ideas to make FBS work, all they want to do is put people down, call names, and argue.

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Ah yes it is up to us on Bisonville to figure out how to make FBS work! We all know the administration is waiting for us to figure it out on this forum before we pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Delusional, idiotic, moronic. Always with the put downs and name calling. I could probably lob a few insults back at you for what I think of your opinions, but I don't come here to put others down and feel better about myself.

If we make similar strides to what we have in 25 years, being a school of the caliber of Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State is absolutely within reason. Take yourself back to wherever you were in '97 and think how far we've come since then.

Yes it's optimistic and not guaranteed we'll get there. But it's within reason to have that as our goal. Just like the growth of the last 25 years was.

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Dude are you having a Keith Brakedown? You seriously are delusional if you think we will be in the Big 12 in 20 years! It’s not like they are just passing out invites to anyone right now. What is really going to change? We will be G5 soon so that I agree on

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Dude are you having a Keith Brakedown? You seriously are delusional if you think we will be in the Big 12 in 20 years! It’s not like they are just passing out invites to anyone right now. What is really going to change? We will be G5 soon so that I agree on

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Like the big 12 will be there in 20 years!

Lol!

U dum dums!

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Dude are you having a Keith Brakedown? You seriously are delusional if you think we will be in the Big 12 in 20 years! It’s not like they are just passing out invites to anyone right now. What is really going to change? We will be G5 soon so that I agree on

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I didn’t say we’d be in the B12 in 20 years. I said it should be our goal to be at their caliber in 25 years. If you’re going to be questioning my mental health and calling me delusional try to not be the one having reading/writing issues of your own when doing it.

To Chubs’ point, it’s highly unlikely 25 years from now the structure will resemble what it currently is. Which is part of the reason I didn’t say we’d be in the B12. I said we should strive to be at their level academically, athletically and administratively. If that sounds crazy, we are already at the level of the G5 land grants. 25 years is a long time to catch up to the B12 schools. Look at my first post to see the specific schools I reference.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

How is Montana a good fit but not Montana St? School wise MSU blows UM out of the water!

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Did I say I thought Montana State was not a good fit? Stop reading the words that you want others to say and read what is actually written. You’re arguing against points I am not making…

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

My answer is yes.

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Okay.

Instead of looking at everything as being crazy (but obvi cusa as the ONLY FBS scenario that makes sense… how many times has it been xyz conference was the ONLY one now???)

And discussing the multitude of reasons why this time this particular scenario doesn’t make sense for NDSU again…. (Not crazy, for sure.)

LOOK at how other schools are “magically” able to move up while NDSU isn’t.

Liberty didn’t need the cusa to move up.

THAT is the BEST way.

Obvi it can be done.

Liberty for NDSU.

Robotic bison independence.

F-UND FBS BISON football.

TM

So Bohl was a divisive guy I guess. But he was a good communication guy.

“Bohl-isms” should be a thing. And added to the dictionary.

As far as FBS…. Some are thinking step 22 of problem solving when others are unwilling to agree:

1. There is a problem looming
2. How long before bison football is impacted
3. Step 1 is the way to address.

As far as #1…. Well “if you aren’t green and growing. You are ripe and dying.”

And I think that Bohl-ism is as bison pride as they get. So.

Whatever you think about that you can ya know?

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Who said I didn’t want to hear other peoples’ opinions? The first paragraph of my post was about a poster calling me delusional for having lofty goals for 25 years down the road. I thought it was out of line.

It is very not hard to see a situation in which the Mountain West loses Boise and SDSU and then looks to backfill. I truly think Montana and NDSU are the two best-fit schools to replace them. It's fine if people disagree with me, but I don't see my previous two sentences are "making up random rainbow bright garbage".

I think it’s just fine that people have different opinions. I’m usually pretty contrarian myself…

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Boise and SDSU will be waiting out what remaining PAC12 schools get poached by the BiG before they make their decision. If they lose 2 and are down to 10 there's no guarantee they look to add either.

Montana and Montana State are package deals....wish it was MSU, MST, NDSU and....(insert school here SDSU would be best for football but their fine staying FCS apparently).

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

The only thing I've ever seen published with NDSU and CUSA was Matt Brown reporting that they asked us the last round, and NDSU firmly said no, so they went with other schools instead. Even that was denied though.

If that rumor was true, it was and remains absolutely the right decision.
We can do much better, and MWC could become a real option later this year.
I don't understand why people here think we need to act like desperate beggers.

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I don't see it as "beggers" but the ball isn't in NDSU's court for most of the G5 conferences that are referred to here.

listen. we have to do whatever it takes to get in the G5 by 2026... and our admin needs to feel this pressure from the fanbase.

that's the bottom line we all can agree on .

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

Boise and SDSU will be waiting out what remaining PAC12 schools get poached by the BiG before they make their decision. If they lose 2 and are down to 10 there's no guarantee they look to add either.

Montana and Montana State are package deals....wish it was MSU, MST, NDSU and....(insert school here SDSU would be best for football but their fine staying FCS apparently).

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And it absolutely could be Montana and Montana state go and not us. To BES' point, Montana State is right there too. I just don't see the Mountain West seeing that as a great backfill for Boise and SDSU. NDSU is the powerhouse brand and plug-and-play athletic department. It's fairly easy to see how it could happen and I think we need to be ready for it in case the chips fall that way. If there's concern about NDSU's athletic budget, even I don't know how I feel about Montana and Montana State's.

I know you and Taper get it pretty bad (much worse than I get) from some in the 'FBS at any cost' crowd. I certainly wish they'd stop all their childish BS because it severely hurts the point they're trying to make.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

listen. we have to do whatever it takes to get in the G5 by 2026... and our admin needs to feel this pressure from the fanbase.

that's the bottom line we all can agree on .

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But…. That’s like only…. 40 months away…

Not sure I agree. [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

And it absolutely could be Montana and Montana state go and not us. To BES' point, Montana State is right there too. I just don't see the Mountain West seeing that as a great backfill for Boise and SDSU. NDSU is the powerhouse brand and plug-and-play athletic department. It's fairly easy to see how it could happen and I think we need to be ready for it in case the chips fall that way. If there's concern about NDSU's athletic budget, even I don't know how I feel about Montana and Montana State's.

I know you and Taper get it pretty bad (much worse than I get) from some in the 'FBS at any cost' crowd. I certainly wish they'd stop all their childish BS because it severely hurts the point they're trying to make.

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No worries about that. I obviously don't care...different perspective, different viewpoints. I am obviously the ultimate pessimist (you can blame MN sports for that), so when scenarios are brought up and by some miracle all the sudden everything works in NDSUs favor just perfectly, we should be skeptical. I find zero use in wishing for scenarios that are unlikely to happen - (see, independent, 50K stadium, going undefeated or hosting an SEC team in a playoff game at US Bank for example).

I stated last week, in a podcast I listened to he had UC-Davis high on the list of FCS schools who are in the best shape to move up due to geography, enrollment, endowment and everything else that goes into it. If I could remember which podcast and episode it was I'd post it.

It’s time we admit that JESUS LOVES NDSU FOOTBALL.

The stats don’t make sense. NDSU shouldn’t have “lucked out” in Georgia southern II.

Let alone ALL the FBS CLEAR victories. NDSU didn’t became a brand because of a fluke win over Michigan.

NDSU fucking won those games. Their way. No real questions as to who deserved to win.

Look at the stats. Inconceivable without Jesus.

For real bros.

He will guide us to the promised land.

We keep acting like it would be some fucking miracle for NDSU to keep up at the high FBS level. Are you suggesting a FBS championship every three years like current pace? That would be pretty lofty goals.

But somehow we managed more than that the last time we moved up.

NDSU made it look easy against some of these people with gigantic budgets COMPARED when they were a LOWER division. Think about that you dumb Fox.

Quit acting as if some of the shit actually makes sense. Because I guarantee it fucking doesn’t.

It’s science. Trust this expert.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

MWC strong enough as is without NDSU.

Or flip your scenario…MWC team needs to go undefeated in conference to be the one G5 team and those schools run the risk of a loss with NDSU.

MAC and MWC at 12. maybe MWC would lose teams I doubt the MAC will. 12 and 2 divisions is perfect for them right now.

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Sagarin and myself would disagree with that statement. Conferences should be trying to get stronger and part of that might be making sure you aren't passing on a school that could make your competitors stronger too.