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Originally Posted by NorthernBison
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Originally Posted by NorthernBison
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Looking at MAC schedules over the years, true home games against P5 programs are not all that easy to find. More often than not, the home game for the MAC program is at some neutral site (ie Iowa playing NIU at Soldier Field). Western Michigan does host Michigan State next season. Short trip/same state. Any bets on the Spartan's appetite to travel to Fargo?
NDSU at New Vikings stadium 1 game a year would be bad ass!!
NDSU vs Kansas State at TCF Sept 7 2019 Would be EPIC!! (Buyout that date)
And braves I said. With a brand new stadium we egg the bigger names, but 22,500 dome gets us Colorado st San Diego st Wyoming Air Force
Basketball is shooting itself in the foot because the consistency is not there yet. Once every five years of competing is not compelling enough to create a wave of ticket sales. Jump out 10-2 this year and people will start believing. Otherwise, they will sit back and wait for the next big thing and only stick their toes in to see if the water is warm enough yet. One other fair plays in this as well. Will they be like last year when the training wheels were taken off and the offense had more flow and was more fun to watch or do we go back to two years ago where it is deliberately milking the shot clock every possession. The problem with basketball isn't just about winning and losing, it is also no idea what product anyone is looking at.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Identity, consistency, and a high potential for winning is what will bring basketball into its own with a growing fanbase.
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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
going to need more than that, especially if you're thinking of every year having an "interesting" game.
Don't they still play the likes of Crookston and Minot? That's has to get the fans pumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by td577
Just like the Gophers who play MN Duluth and Wisconsin who plays WX Parkside.Quote:
Originally Posted by pucknut9
To think that every year to the dance is attainable is unrealistic goal as a midmajor
Good mid major teams should have the hope for it at leastQuote:
Originally Posted by unbison
The schedule is not a problem. Sure they start the season with Minot State, but that is an exhibition and doesn't count in the standings. This upcoming season actually has one of the best schedules in the history of the program. Texas, Iowa, Akron, and the conference are not a problem. With around a 30 game schedule, there is a always a game or two where you take what you can get. The problem with NDSU basketball is consistency and identity. Right now the fans and alumni are trained to have a run every five years with a build up in-between. So there is no reason for anyone to think this is not a rebuilding year. Whether that is entirely true or nor is irrelevant, it is how everyone has been trained to think at this point even though they return one of the best defenders in the conference and one of the best point guards in the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by pucknut9
If NDSU can build a program where they can cut that 5 window in half, you will see a huge jump in preseason ticket sales and season ticket sales. Just having a product that will compete for a conference championship every 3 years, instead of every 5 will put a lot of butts in the seats. Combining that with an actual identity on the court will pay off tenfold. You take Tarkanian led teams, for example, you always knew what you would get. Full court, non-stop pressure defense and the green light at the three point line, every possession. It wasn't always successful in terms of championships, but there was an obvious identity regardless of what names were on the court. He had a religious following no matter where he was because of an identity. We need to find an identity.
A massive problem the BSA is now out of the way. I don't think people understand how much that dump held the program back.
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Boy you got that right.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I agree. A serious move in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I am excited for the future of basketball for NDSU. I spent a couple of posts seeming to complain but really I think my points aren't exactly a secret. As NDSU continues to gain national exposure, other programs within the university will start finding recruiting a little easier, and they will get players they want to build programs around not what was left that they have to build around. Basketball hasn't reached a point, yet, where anyone can say they want specific type of player targeted. I don't think they are far away from that kind of model. When they get there, everything else will fall into place. A brand new home people will love to come to, a program with an identity people can relate to, and the possibility of contention people will want to hang their hope on. Then the program has its own life. When a coach moves on, then the answer is a coach that fits the program. When recruiting student/athletes, it will be which ones fit a program, not who is left with the minimal amount of talent. This is sounding a lot like the football program. They have found their way there and that is the model you want to emulate. You want a program where the system dictates your next move, not where desperation puts you in situations. Basketball needs more wins and needs them sooner then 5 years from now to get there.
I do think the program is right about where football was in 2007. On the verge of looking like it has found an identity and if you get into the game now, you will be like those of us in football 8 seasons later saying I told you so and I have seats.
A saw a good idea by a sportswriter when playoff expands to 8 teams. Each Big 5 conference champion gets an automatic bid, the top ranked conference champion from the other 5 conferences gets an automatic bid, and there are two at large bids. It is not perfect. But it does give all teams a chance @ playoffs. 16 teams would be much better. But this is not bad.
SHAC & FBS conference would catapult NDSU basketball into top 50 programs for eternity!!
The only way this would likely happen if the non-big 5 team had a tough non-conference schedule game that they won. It is going to be hard to say "Hey lets take Northern Illinois" when they beat some MAC teams, Minnesota and UND or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
Well, it not that much of a stretch. A non Big Five team is usually ranked in the top #16 to #20 every year. Occasionally, Boise State has been ranked in the top 8. Having them as an #8 seed would seem awful generous to critics, but the other conferences are technically part of the division.
16 teams would be much better because you could have 10 automatic qualifiers for all conference champions or 5 automatic bids for the Big 5 and at least one or perhaps two for the conference champions in the other 5 conferences.
You are obviously missing the point why the P5 now has autonomy. They dont wanna share. They have no reason to allow any other teams in their sand box. If push come to shove they will have it written that no team outside the P5 can be in their play off unless they are ranked ahead of any of their teams. But it will take a lot for that to happen. They are going to have 64 teams in there conference. You think the Sunbelt, MAC,MWC is going break that door down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
link please?
Pl is on the money here
http://www.businessinsider.com/colle...f-flaw-2014-10
This is not the exact link. I am still trying to find it. (I erased my history) There are literally dozens and dozens of articles on the internet, with advocates saying that there needs to be 8 teams forthwith. IF the SEC has at least two teams in the playoffs, that means two or three other conferences will be shut out from the playoffs. This will pretty much guarantee that the playoffs are expanding to 8 teams within two years so each Big Five Conferene can be represented in the playoffs.
IF the SEC has 3 teams in the playoffs and the TV rating for the 3 games are great, I can the other Big Five conferences demanding a change and breaking the contract as soon as next year. The Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12 cannot afford to be shut out of the playoffs. Or eventually, if Texas and Florida State join the SEC, they can just create their own national champion--the winner of the SEC.
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Originally Posted by Strongman
I fully expect the expansion to 8 teams. That is so the P5 can get more teams in it. Youve got 5 teams that are champions. Then 3 #2 teams. Oh wait you have to thrown in the sissy bed wetters out of South bend. then you only have room for the one from any of the # 2 teams.
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Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Yes. It will go to 8. The resistance to further expansion would be overwhelming. At 8, there is no room for a G5 team and no way in Hell would there be a guaranteed spot. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
At 12 teams there would be an argument, because they've got a New Years day bowl tie in now for the highest ranked team.
With 8 teams an undefeated G5 team could make it.
12-16 teams and 2 G5 teams WILL make it.
Tues/Wed/Thur football this week!!!
http://www.statepress.com/2014/10/08...ff-legitimacy/
This is the link. Good article.
Why is this thread still on topic? Discuss.
Once they go to 12 or 16 teams I would expect the bowls to go away. They will need to host those games at campus sites because I don't expect large numbers of fans to travel to 3-4 straight games plus a possible conference championship game. Imagine doing a Frisco type trip 3-5 times. It's not happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Basketball is not a good comparison because most arenas only hold 15-20k and there are 4-8 teams playing at each site. Would 2 teams be able fill 80-100k 3-4 weeks in a row? I know some fans will be local people with no specific team alliance but the teams' fans still drive the majority.
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Marshall was 8-0 and not in the top 25 in the playoff rankings last week. Plenty of TWO LOSS P5 teams were. That's all you need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Originally Posted by NorthernBison
I tend to agree. I'm just saying that while the top 5 conference are taking more autonomy they haven't moved entirely away from the smaller conferences yet, under the current agreement they're guaranteed a spot in one of the 6 Jan 1 bowls, which would equate with a 12 team playoff field. With an 8 team field it's a fairly easy case to exclude or at least make it very difficult for them to win an at-large birth, if they game them more than that it would actually represent a move toward unity rather than further separation. With a 12 team or larger playoff the lack of an automatic birth for the smaller conferences would be a move toward still greater autonomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
Could, but you would have to have a decent schedule. An undefeated Belt team would get left in the dust, much like they are considering Marshall's undefeated season a joke right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
And I think the decent schedules are going to be more and more difficult to get. I see a lot of P5 schools starting to schedule each other more and more instead of playing a MAC or MWC team, which is good for College FB. But they are still choosing to schedule FCS over a G5 team. So in essence they are squeezing the G5 schools out of a potentially quality win.
The 13 member playoff committee has no duty to award based on Big Five status, etc. Just the best 4 teams. This will continue once they expand.
Per Sagarin's latest ranking, the Mountain West Conference is "only" 7 points behind the Big 10 West division. The Big 10 is not that much better than the other 5 non-Big Five Conferences sans the Sunbelt. I think the committee now and the future is going to look at the quality of the team, their schedule, and body of work.
The only ties to the Committee for a non P5 school is a retired 3 Star (Ch)air force General who was the Superintendant of the Air Force Academy, and the former Commish of the Big East (American). Not really a whole lot to fight for your team if you are a fringe one. When the AD's from Wisconsin, USC, Nebraska, WVa, and Arkansas are on the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
And arguing for how the MWC is only 7 points behind the west of the Big 10 is not really an argument, especially when the Big 10 west is hot garbage with the exception of Nebraska.
In fantasy land that would work. The p5 just gave the NCAA the high hard one. So the P5 isnt going to let a team from the MWC in their playoffs when one of their second place teams is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
Where would NDSU and Marshall finish in the Big 10 this year? Let's be honest. The Big 10 has 4 worthy teams. The rest are just over hyped MWC teams.
Tough to do it every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
True. However, instead of EVERY game on the road, NDSU would play half their games @ FargoDome.