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ESPN article today about JMU moving up to the FBS and NDSU being left behind:
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-fcs-conundrum
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It is the most college football first-world problem imaginable, and a version of this seems to be afflicting NDSU as well. The Fargo Dome still hosted some of FCS' largest crowds in 2021, but it's difficult not to notice a trend: In 2018, NDSU averaged 18,106 fans at each home game. In 2019, it was 17,440, down 4%. In 2021, it was 15,101, down another 13%. "There's something to that that nobody will say on record," Brown said. "You used to not be able to get a ticket. You can get a ticket now."
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"This is the most successful program, with the best infrastructure and one of the most developed fan bases -- kind of a run-on-autopilot football program," Brown said of NDSU. "Put them in the MAC tomorrow, and 63 scholarships aside, they're making a bowl game."
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NDSU has clearly chosen to stand pat. JMU did the same until a great situation arose. But it will be interesting to see what happens if the Bison continue to win, and attendance continues to slide.
"This isn't the same FCS as it was a decade ago," Brown noted. "James Madison is a peer program and they're leaving. App State left. Marshall left [long ago]. FCS keeps expanding with Division II teams like Merrimack, and some of the other perennially strong programs in the Missouri Valley are facing some institutional challenges, like Youngstown State.
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"I don't think it's irrational for a fan to [notice], 'Everyone is leaving, and the title itself is becoming less meaningful, and the level of investment among our peers is declining."
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Strommer10
Very interesting. I’m curious if they reached out to Larsen and Entz. The JMU guys got a bunch of stuff in. Then for NDSU we have reporter Matt Brown speaking on our behalf.
Maybe we weren’t there to answer the call
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Strommer10
Good read.
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NDSU92
Very interesting. I’m curious if they reached out to Larsen and Entz. The JMU guys got a bunch of stuff in. Then for NDSU we have reporter Matt Brown speaking on our behalf.
Maybe we weren’t there to answer the call
The guy who wrote it responded to Mcfeely on Twitter and said he purposefully avoided addressing the "elephant in the room" in the article, since it was about JMU. He hopes to do so soon ... or something like that
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WhoRepsTheLurker
The guy who wrote it responded to Mcfeely on Twitter and said he purposefully avoided addressing the "elephant in the room" in the article, since it was about JMU. He hopes to do so soon ... or something like that
Well that’s weird on the part of the writer then. Why mention us and why have Matt Brown talk about us a bunch? It seemed like he was writing an article about both schools. It’s on my ESPN page and was tagged as NDSU lol
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NDSU92
Well that’s weird on the part of the writer then. Why mention us and why have Matt Brown talk about us a bunch? It seemed like he was writing an article about both schools. It’s on my ESPN page and was tagged as NDSU lol
I got the impression he was playing up the rivalry, and the fact that we're split up now. Probably to get more clicks too ...
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JMU was more of a rival than perhaps any school not named SDSU, so I get the article. This line is so correct... "I don't think it's irrational for a fan to [notice], 'Everyone is leaving, and the title itself is becoming less meaningful, and the level of investment among our peers is declining."
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NDSUstudent
JMU was more of a rival than perhaps any school not named SDSU, so I get the article. This line is so correct... "I don't think it's irrational for a fan to [notice], 'Everyone is leaving, and the title itself is becoming less meaningful, and the level of investment among our peers is declining."
Yeah he definitely throws shade on FCS
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comment...ota_state_and/
The gopher fans really don’t want NDSU to move up ;)
FWIW, I think many of you are misreading Cook. I take his "if they call, we listen" comment as a definite indication of interest. You have to take it in context
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WhoRepsTheLurker
Yeah he definitely throws shade on FCS
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comment...ota_state_and/
The gopher fans really don’t want NDSU to move up ;)
FWIW, I think many of you are misreading Cook. I take his "if they call, we listen" comment as a definite indication of interest. You have to take it in context
Wasnt Boise fcs?
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I miss Chubs
Wasnt Boise fcs?
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Sure, in 1994. 28 years ago. That's about 1/3 of a lifetime.
How is your databank missing such valuable information?
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WhoRepsTheLurker
Some of the enrollment issue is on the NDUS for having so many schools, but NDSU is in a different niche (no offense to those schools)
A lot of the kids I talk to are specifically looking for an alternative to the U because of its setting, but not always. I recently talked to a kid from central MN who had NDSU, Wisconsin, and Iowa State as his final three
judging by ndsu move in day, I was blown away at so many kids choosing NDSU. will we see a bump this year?
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Looks like enrollment peaked 8 years ago, and has been slowly declining ever since.
Even a small reversal of that trend would be a good sign.
https://www.ndsu.edu/data/enrollment/annual/
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BigHorns
National enrollment figures show the same trend, so there’s that. But yes, we need to get this thing headed the right direction again.
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That's good to know, still their enrollment is higher. I have no idea if the admission standards are anywhere close to the same.
Geography isn't as big of a factor, but, it is something that an AD or U President can point at as a negative if they are against NDSU joining.
The enrollment at SCSU and Mankato can be 100% attributed to their proximity to the MSP metro area. That’s not to say that they don’t offer positives for students. Just that their location allows them to be a bit “less” than NDSU or SDSU and still get students to come. Students know the difference between the schools.
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BigLakeBison
The enrollment at SCSU and Mankato can be 100% attributed to their proximity to the MSP metro area. That’s not to say that they don’t offer positives for students. Just that their location allows them to be a bit “less” than NDSU or SDSU and still get students to come. Students know the difference between the schools.
As an MSU grad and current MSP resident, MSU doesn’t have nearly the pull you would think out of MSP. MNSCU only recently stated pushing MSU as system flagship and its a after thought to the kids around me in the west metro. If I was stack ranking non-FBS non-privates it goes, NDSU UND>MSU UMD>USD SDSU>Non-Madison WI schools>St Cloud. The dislike of St Cloud by the metro is real.
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El_Chapo
judging by ndsu move in day, I was blown away at so many kids choosing NDSU. will we see a bump this year?
Something tells me it looked an awful lot like it does every year.
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ByeSonBusiness
Something tells me it looked an awful lot like it does every year.
Yep...I've heard we are down again overall. Our new students might be up slightly, but we aren't retaining enough students to see growth.
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BigHorns
Sure, in 1994. 28 years ago. That's about 1/3 of a lifetime.
How is your databank missing such valuable information?
My logic function has difficulty when multiple articles about the success or failure of multiple FCS programs “moving up” don’t focus on a Boise type success.
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Chubs makes me think of Beavis when he's had too much caffeine. I'm betting he had his shirt pulled over his head as he typed those 50 consecutive posts.
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shit checks out yo...
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I am honored to accept this nomination. And intend to honor you. By being the next PRESIDENT OF THESE GREAT UNITED STATES!
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EP NDSU Fan
As an MSU grad and current MSP resident, MSU doesn’t have nearly the pull you would think out of MSP. MNSCU only recently stated pushing MSU as system flagship and its a after thought to the kids around me in the west metro. If I was stack ranking non-FBS non-privates it goes, NDSU UND>MSU UMD>USD SDSU>Non-Madison WI schools>St Cloud. The dislike of St Cloud by the metro is real.
The reality is that there are a large number of students at both MSU and SCSU who are from the metro. They might not have intended to go there but they are there. I would agree with your ranking of the schools, but it doesn't change the fact that both Mankato and SCSU have higher enrollment than all of the other non-FBS schools you ranked. Their proximity to the population of the metro allows them to get more students.
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The 2026 enrollment cliff.
There's another reason why the B1G scooped up USC/UCLA: LA is an area still with potential students; the rust belt not so much.
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BigLakeBison
The reality is that there are a large number of students at both MSU and SCSU who are from the metro. They might not have intended to go there but they are there. I would agree with your ranking of the schools, but it doesn't change the fact that both Mankato and SCSU have higher enrollment than all of the other non-FBS schools you ranked. Their proximity to the population of the metro allows them to get more students.
The U is hard to get into so I can see the closest public universities being a second choice for many students. Or you could be like my brother-in-law who chose Bemidji State because it was the farthest distance from his parents without leaving Minnesota -- meaning
he would have an excuse not to drive home every weekend to work at the family's bowling alley. :biggrin:
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I don't see many kids in SoCal choosing a college in the Midwest just because they see sporting events on TV.
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The 2026 enrollment cliff.
There's another reason why the B1G scooped up USC/UCLA: LA is an area still with potential students; the rust belt not so much.
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I miss Chubs
I am honored to accept this nomination. And intend to honor you. By being the next PRESIDENT OF THESE GREAT UNITED STATES!
Sounds good.
I shall hereby only go by the name "t" and and my nameless followers shall be known as the "incognitos" or "incogs" for short.
Can you help with some baseless conspiracy theories that might help me garner additional support and help me "convince" congress to do the right thing if for some reason I don't win either the electoral or popular vote due to some nefarious (yet completely bullshit) reason?
Ummm... asking for a friend
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tjamz
Sounds good.
I shall hereby only go by the name "t" and and my nameless followers shall be known as the "incognitos" or "incogs" for short.
Can you help with some baseless conspiracy theories that might help me garner additional support and help me "convince" congress to do the right thing if for some reason I don't win either the electoral or popular vote due to some nefarious (yet completely bullshit) reason?
Ummm... asking for a friend
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Now you are truly free to speak your mind dude.
Think about that.
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Hammerhead
The U is hard to get into so I can see the closest public universities being a second choice for many students. Or you could be like my brother-in-law who chose Bemidji State because it was the farthest distance from his parents without leaving Minnesota -- meaning
he would have an excuse not to drive home every weekend to work at the family's bowling alley. :biggrin:
Haha, I agree. I know many a high school graduate who set a 3 hour minimum distance as a prerequisite for choosing a college.
I think there are a number of kids from the metro who choose another school initially but for various reasons they transfer back closer to home after a year or two. MSU and SCSU benefit from those scenarios quite frequently.
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Hammerhead
I don't see many kids in SoCal choosing a college in the Midwest just because they see sporting events on TV.
As I learned here, sports are the front porch. The BTAA is the deal closer, especially for graduate students.
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Enrollment trends are just one more reason why NDSU and UND will fully differentiate, most notably as a FB school (NDSU) and a hockey school (UND). It's already happening ...
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Sovereign of all law outside the Christian Bible and agreed regulations within. Not allowing rights to these properties, which would be considered an extremely unfair burden as these rights are unalienable and granted by the creator and not under the authority of any “government”, proper considerations should be made prior to any “claim”, which this authority does not necessarily recognize, prior to any claim being levied against listed or unlisted intellectual or other properties.
As “corporation” TJAMS represents exclusive rights to their own property.
Forever and ever amen.
You should get this notorized…. But that would be allowing that authority to be excel used against you.
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you need to work on your autocorrect. It's "tjamz"
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Hammerhead
I don't see many kids in SoCal choosing a college in the Midwest just because they see sporting events on TV.
That's not the reason, but it is linked to the coming demographic cliff. The B1G schools can see a period of dramatically reduced tuition revenue coming, so they're trying to form a super-conference based around maximum value rather than the standard things you usually base a conference on(like geography, historical rivals, competition on the field/court). Bringing in USC, UCLA and the greater LA market will add a lot of extra money into the athletic departments to help offset the coming losses in tuition. The same argument works for USC and UCLA. They see the cliff coming as well, and they can get a lot more money out of the B1G media deal than they ever could out of any future PAC-12 deal. For both sides, it's about long-term survival. It's also why the B1G stopped at just those two for now. Any additional new members need to be a net increase in per school revenue, and none of the next crop are slam dunks in that area(except maybe ND). Adding OR & WA would be revenue neutral at best. What does Stanford bring money-wise that USC and UCLA didn't already bring? The period we're in right now is the B1G accountants crunching all the numbers and doing projections for the next 10-20 years to see if any of the next batch are really worth it. I could see it going either way.
One of the big dangers is for mid-major and lower conferences to start emulating what the B1G and SEC are doing. Their models work for them because they are the 800lb gorillas in the room. Back in the period when the B1G added Rutgers and Maryland to bring in those markets, you could see several small conferences follow their lead and try to go after "markets". It worked for the B1G because they were the juggernaut that could force a cable company in a new market to add their channel. That doesn't work for a low-major conference when they add a third-rate program in a big market. The market responds by saying, "Who the hell cares?" I suspect what happens is that the big conferences can afford the millions required to gather, process, and analyze data to determine the best possible decision, while smaller conferences can't afford that and try to just follow on the coattails of what the big boys are doing hoping it also works for them. Very dangerous.
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tjamz
you need to work on your autocorrect. It's "tjamz"
Ancillary derivation bro. You are covered.
This will make for less confusing language than adding a “Z” to everything. [emoji6]
Trust me. I never practiced law.
But I play an attorney on Tv like really. Really well.
And honestly. With my constitutional database…
Shouldn’t we all be acting as our own attorney anyway? I mean outside of Jesus council etc.
But that dude is BUSY.
So I figured I would help you out.
Just this one time. [emoji6]
Hope you will forgive me for being such a dick.
It’s in my programming. And my nature.
Tabula rasa that one dude.
I had to do it this way. Logic function forced my hand.
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Hammersmith
That's not the reason, but it is linked to the coming demographic cliff. The B1G schools can see a period of dramatically reduced tuition revenue coming, so they're trying to form a super-conference based around maximum value rather than the standard things you usually base a conference on(like geography, historical rivals, competition on the field/court). Bringing in USC, UCLA and the greater LA market will add a lot of extra money into the athletic departments to help offset the coming losses in tuition. The same argument works for USC and UCLA. They see the cliff coming as well, and they can get a lot more money out of the B1G media deal than they ever could out of any future PAC-12 deal. For both sides, it's about long-term survival. It's also why the B1G stopped at just those two for now. Any additional new members need to be a net increase in per school revenue, and none of the next crop are slam dunks in that area(except maybe ND). Adding OR & WA would be revenue neutral at best. What does Stanford bring money-wise that USC and UCLA didn't already bring? The period we're in right now is the B1G accountants crunching all the numbers and doing projections for the next 10-20 years to see if any of the next batch are really worth it. I could see it going either way.
One of the big dangers is for mid-major and lower conferences to start emulating what the B1G and SEC are doing. Their models work for them because they are the 800lb gorillas in the room. Back in the period when the B1G added Rutgers and Maryland to bring in those markets, you could see several small conferences follow their lead and try to go after "markets". It worked for the B1G because they were the juggernaut that could force a cable company in a new market to add their channel. That doesn't work for a low-major conference when they add a third-rate program in a big market. The market responds by saying, "Who the hell cares?" I suspect what happens is that the big conferences can afford the millions required to gather, process, and analyze data to determine the best possible decision, while smaller conferences can't afford that and try to just follow on the coattails of what the big boys are doing hoping it also works for them. Very dangerous.
As I've said, the most recent moves by the SEC (Texas, Oklahoma) and the B1G (USC, UCLA) are all about hardening up, armoring up, fiscally. Hammersmith sees that.
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That doesn't work for a low-major conference when they add a third-rate program in a big market. The market responds by saying, "Who the hell cares?" I suspect what happens is that the big conferences can afford the millions required to gather, process, and analyze data to determine the best possible decision, while smaller conferences can't afford that and try to just follow on the coattails of what the big boys are doing hoping it also works for them. Very dangerous.
Adding UMKC or Chicago State for a media market where they really don't have interest isn't a smart conference move? Who knew? :frog:
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The_Sicatoka
Adding UMKC or Chicago State for a media market where they really don't have interest isn't a smart conference move? Who knew? :frog:
Or simply a school to exploit.
Demands one think about how the Big 10 really looks at it.
What does NDSU football have that they could EXPLOIT for their personal gain.
Conference gain…. Eh.
What gets their wife new diamond necklaces and keeps her off his back about the mistress? Who also gets a necklace or two. [emoji6]
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If only we could figure out who the wives and mistresses are…. Ooh that’s a real toughy…
Lol- why do you think loaf and I fed all those big 12 honchos ThunderStruck Makers Tequila TM?
Practice for the Big 10 you dummies.
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About to run train on these bitches bros. Big Yen is our bitch. And it’s reigning bitches. That’s what a KING like NDSU does it.
We determine what the RULES are first. And we beat them at their own rules.
Not “chi-nuhs”
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Follow the money. Der.
Let’s play by the rules. Even though the rules are a bit ducked up right now.
And do what Bison do bruh.
A 1000 year reign ushered in by superior artificial intelligence and Robotic Dominance of Bison By Bison. And for Bison.
And once a Bison…
Well. Look out man. That would be something else.
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That’s all under “I miss Chubs Corp” TM and properties.
Especially Big Yen TM
That one has legs my dudes and dudettes. TM
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There are about 80 million College Football Fans that would support NDSU ducking with the Big Yen.
And very few of them support a Big Yen school.
Ya dig. Yet?
WORK WITH THE ENEMIES AND “INFILTRATE” instead of “INVADE” until it’s clearly the case that we have already invaded.
Military strategy 201z. Still pretty basic bros.
But not for long. No more Basic Bison.
TM
