They all need content though. Christ, you can watch the second tier of English football on ESPN right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
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They all need content though. Christ, you can watch the second tier of English football on ESPN right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Well there's nothing going on right now. On Saturdays from labor day to thanksgiving? ABC, Fox, CBS, NBC. Each one will have maybe two games on per day. There's 8 games, 16 teams. Each one has a dedicated sports channel, so there's another 8 games, 16 teams. 32 teams playing against each other on 8 channels. The non-P2 will be lucky to be on ESPN2 and FS2. Then you mix in NBA, college basketball, soccer, etc. Good luck making broadcast television.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
I'd predict by the time OU, UT, UCLA and USC all change conferences, you'll have a hard time finding a G5 game without using a streaming service*.
*On saturdays
We drove to Indianapolis and back this weekend and I was trying to find something to listen to and tried ESPNU - it was two guys talking about their weekend rounds of golf. As an aside, golfers are getting as annoying as vegans crossfitters - or maybe more so, because vegan crossfitters don't do radio shows on ESPNU or perform PR functions for Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Then I switched to EPSN Extra where all I could hear was "<plop> <long pause> <plop>" - I thought something was wrong with the broadcast feed until an announcer said, "he's gotta go for a block here" - so my best guess was that they were doing a radio broadcast of FREAKING CORNHOLE!
/rant
Was that on before or after Ultimate Team Frisbee? <-- not kiddingQuote:
Originally Posted by tony
This is spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
All the major media money and airtime will be sucked up by the P2
G5 will get scraps like the rest of us.
The notion that FBS is big money is true for a small percentage of the teams. Many/most of the G5 programs are subsidized and wouldn’t break even on their own.
Go read the message boards of G5 schools like MTSU and it’s obvious they are hurting for cash.
We also get more media exposure today than they do.
Well, durrr, that’s a big part of the reason that a number of people have been dubious about moving up. You get all the costs and none of the benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I got caught up watching Jai Alai the other day on ESPN2. Somehow, it sucked me in. I'm so ashamed. The funny thing was that they were using the logo and feel of The OCHO broadcasting from Dodgeball. It was on at about 4p on a Tuesday, which is a time I normally don't watch TV but was taking a weirdly timed break.
I think that ESPN learned a bit about broadening their content during the early days of the pandemic when all sports just totally shut down. I remember watching Norwegian High Diving competitions at that point and loving it. Never bought into the marble races, though.
By the way, Jai Alai sucks. I remember it fondly when I last thought about it in the 1970's or maybe from Miami Vice in the 80's but seeing it in action recently, super boring.
Flipping through the guide I've seen spikeball, pickleball, cornhole and axe throwing championships on the the nationwide sports channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
There are a long list of benefits to being in the MW compared to the MVFC/Summit. But yeah, national airtime likely would not be one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
What "national" airtime so we get now? Frisco and playoffs, maybe an FBS game. MWC/AAC would surely beat that, no? Even MACtion would. CUSA is unlikely to, thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Like I've said all along, let $$ dictate the move. If it isn't an upgrade, then it's not a good move
I can also think of more than a few teams in the MVFC that are significantly subsidized compared to NDSU, fwiw
Exactly, but also when you say "let $$ dictate the move" people shouldn't stop the analysis at benefits to the athletic department. The reasons I want NDSU to be with peer state flagship land grant schools in the MW go far beyond just the athletics department.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I want NDSU to be the hands-down premier university inside the circle formed Minneapolis, Ames, Lincoln and Boise. Branding is huge for that to happen.
Let? No, money WILL dictate any move. C'est la vie.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
MWC/AAC definitely have the best media packages of the G5, with good payouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
MACtion gets decent airtime on Tuesday/Wednesday nights, though it tends to kill game attendance at those schools.
CUSA schools get paid $400k this year for a mish mash of Stadium/Facebook, etc. With all the schools/brands they lost it looks like they are headed toward 100k or less per year, and Flo may be the outlet. As of right now, there is no media deal for next year.
yes this!! Academics will be better. Olympic sports will be better with better athletesQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Plus Nationally NDSU will be respected instead of the pats on the head & backhands for trophy chasing and not moving up
So CUSA's media deal gets redone this year? This should be interesting. What about the Mac?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
In other news ...
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...nt-fox-cbs-nbc
I know I have a ton of respect for the directional Michigans of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Right or wrong, I have way more respect for Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan and Western Michigan than I do for Northern Michigan, Southern Utah or Northern Arizona. I'd be less apprehensive about my future children going to the first group, I'd be more comfortable with my school being connected to those universities, etc. Branding means a lot in the luxury item world that is today's higher education.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Yeah, luxury item isn’t the first thing that comes to mind when I think of directional Michigan. Look I’m not going to pretend it isn’t a real world improvement, but if what we’re talking about is respect or branding let’s get real, it’s not moving the needle for a ton of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
"Gets redone" for CUSA a very kind way to put it. They are basically begging and pleading with all the second tier outlets for some nickels. All the major networks so far have passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
MAC's ESPN deal runs until 2027, and is $8m/year, about $670k per school. Supposedly that would have been reworked a bit if WKU/MTSU joined, and part of that was the 15 year GoR. MTSU balked a bit at the exit/entrance fees + 15 year GoR, because they really want to move to the AAC instead. Didn't see any specifics around what the new MAC numbers would have been, but they would have needed to boost it some just to keep the other schools whole.
If it's not a luxury market, why are kids and their parents taking out six-figure loans for certain schools when they could get the same (or nearly the same) utility from a much cheaper school? It's because of the brand and ability to show off that you went to the big impressive university. It's like buying a porsche just because you need a car to get to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Visibility and branding are massive pieces of the higher education equation. I could be wrong but I think being MW or MAC really helps that.
For Michigan, sure, but Central Michigan?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
When you’re trying to convince in-state students to spend more than $25k per year to attend your university, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Sounds like Herder is slowly coming around ;)
Yeah I dont know how much added value one gets from attending a Michigan Directional vs. Northern Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Outside of a few occupations, idk how much the name on the diploma really means.
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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
At that level, the bigger difference is how connected they are to businesses for internships, recruiting and career placement.
After the first couple jobs, there won't be any difference for sure. If you live in Arizona, NAU may even have the edge.
You know I have bagged on larson harder than anyone. But he is steering the ship prettty darned well and I appreciate that for sure.
Really- how prepared are we for a move that is GOOD for NDSU, and how they are perceived entering any conference or the FBS as a whole.
Like anything NDSU pretty confident they’re is gonna be SOME learning curve…. Then BAM! Wtfo everyone. NDSU wants the max number of CHAMPIONSHIP trophies in EVERY DIVISION THEY WILL EVER PLAY IN.
Mark it down bros.
Oh, and look at this…. At least NDSU commands similar colors between sports from the AD…
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e2e3ac85c0.jpg
Well there's the one issue, once again, about MW not needing or wanting NDSU at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
And once again, this is no news to anyone outside of lakes. And he refuses to hear it anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
The whole point of this thread is a discussion on what we should be doing to make sure we’re ready when they do start looking.
False...I guarantee you that my Ag degree has more perceived value now then it did when I earned it. Beating K-State and Iowa State was a big part of that extra "recognition." The move to FCS wasn't a game changer necessarily but I promise it changed my peers opinion of NDSU, especially those in living the midwest. A successful move to FBS would likely extend that reach farther. I'm not saying this needs to be a factor when deciding whether we should move to FBS, but the additional recognition from moving up was real.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Does a degree from Alabama in any field carry more weight than a degree from Nebraska to anyone outside of Alabama?Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
Well Nebraska is a pretty recognizable school on its own. Although, their athletics have been terrible and it hurts Nebraska's brand with me but I can just speak for me. Alabama is huge throughout the south, for no reason other than their football success throughout the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
A better comparison for this discussion is how does a degree from San Diego State get perceived vs a degree from Cal Poly Pomona? Georgia vs. Georgia State? Central Michigan vs Northern Michigan?
I'm not sure we've seen the full impact of UCLA/USC yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Some commentary I've read suggests it will take at least 6 months or so for this to filter down thru PAC/MWC.
The PAC media deal will influence what comes next.
Not saying we're getting an invite, but the possibility exists of MWC losing a few schools to the PAC.
In terms of what NDSU can do, we're already doing part of it.
Comes down to improving facilities, winning across multiple sports, strong fanbase support.
To a lesser degree, academics can play a role also.
what are the odds on FBS announcement within next calander year?
In the southern states, without question. Unless Nebraska has some prominent programs. Nationally, no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
This is a nice little overview of the tv deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-...lege-football/
Almost impossible to handicap. Although the odds are better now than they've ever been. Wildly speculating, maybe 40% that any one of the following takes place:Quote:
Originally Posted by SlickVic
-MWC (would almost certainly need two or more schools to get taken by PAC/B12)
-MAC (again, best chance would be if schools got swallowed by AAC/Sun Belt)
-MVFC/Big Sky joint move up (low chance, although it would probably be the most logical solution for all parties - the schools involved, rest of FCS, rest of FBS)
I'm all for any of the above moves. To me, any additional shakeup of the status quo is good as it will trickle down. Hopefully one of those dominoes involves NDSU.
Nice article, though about a year out of date.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
My understanding of G5 current status:
AAC - "legacy" schools get $7m, the new additions get $2m. Might change when renegotiated.
MAC - numbers seem correct, roughly 670k each
CUSA - $400k for 2022, nothing yet for 2023, highly likely to decrease
SBC - was renegotiated, rumored to be in $1-2m range per school. Numbers not officially published.
MWC - seems correct, $4m based on avail info.
Notre Dame - believe I saw NBC was improving their contract significantly
Worth noting that depending on the contracts, realignment can change the media numbers if schools are lost or gained.
SHSU is not worth what Marshall and USM were, and Boise wouldn't be worth what USC was.
I was unaware of the updates..Thank you.
40% feels extremely overconfident. I'd say <5%, and if Notre Dame doesn't move that drops to around 0 in the next 12 months. Nobody's raiding the MAC.I have doubts any would accept a SB/AAC offer even if it came.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
No f'n way any MVC teams are moving to the Big Sky. Non-starter. Plus most of the schools in a Big Valley mashup aren't even remotely ready for FBS.
MWC keeps coming up despite absolutely no indication they've ever looked at us. We're not a good fit at this time and an invite in the next year means they've become desperate. Definitely won't be joining the MWC as you know it now.
I continue to think you're spot on regarding the MWC. They've shown no interest in us. No reason to think otherwise. People holding out for a MWC invite will likely be very disappointed if we stay hunkered down and wait for things to shake out.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
I just don't know why you and I then don't agree that we have to find a different FBS path in the meantime (...one that will hopefully make us attractive in the future to the MWC or AAC, if that's where we want to end up).