Turn it around? Get a clue, they've already turned it around. I'm pretty sure they have a better recruiting plan than some clowns (myself included) on a message board.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
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Turn it around? Get a clue, they've already turned it around. I'm pretty sure they have a better recruiting plan than some clowns (myself included) on a message board.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
Just a head's up: We're probably recruiting Michigan because Coach Nystrom has deep ties there. Kind of the same deal as Houston once Reggie Moore came on board.
Hey we have had kids from Fl. Miss, and Tx and most have stayed and liked it here. Why don't you quit bad rappen them. That bunch has some real studs in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
He must have a vertical as a local sports report said he has a dozen for so dunks on the basketball court. Sounds like a great recruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
You're right. This weather thing gets blown out of proportion too. There's only a few days a year where it's really a pain in the ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjh
Name one position that has not had a recruit in the last two years, or a verbal this year. Answer: QB, no other position has been so ignored. No other position is as important. So, you should get a clue Gully, or simply take off the rose-colored glasses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
Bottom line: This staff has not successfully turned around their lack of success in recruiting QBs, yet. Mertens is their sole recruit with the kind of talent this team needs. Hopefully that all changes in the next 11 days.
i'm thinking the delay on a QB HAS to be that they might go to an FBS school, and if not, we should get him. Or, there might be word of a possible transfer coming up, and they are just waiting for it to happen. I hardly think the QB position is being ignored.
I'm one to side on the QB position being just fine the way it is. I think Bohl knows what he is doing, and yes, there is no point in signing a QB that obviously isn't going to ever make an impact for our team just because he is a QB.
NDSU has dominated the FCS the last few years and I wouldn't expect that trend to deviate much in the next few years. BCS transfers notice this. They don't want to "drop down a level" to play for some Northern Colorado that is never going to win anything if there is a better option. These guys will visit NDSU, see the history, fan support, and exposure and then ask what they need to do to sign a letter of intent. We are now eligible for the playoffs and that is what IMO held a lot of the top BCS transfer back from signing here. When the time comes that the QB position is wide open at NDSU we are going to have a waiting line for top prospect QB recruits.
How do you know they've "lacked success"...perhaps since they had Walker, Mertens, and Parsons, they focused more on other needs. I don't think you have to wear rose colored glasses to see that. For all we know they have a top notch qb lined up already for this next class. They've shown they can recruit top talent, they just haven't needed a QB. They do now so I can agree with you that hopefully something is announced in the next 11 days or at least on signing day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
Patience is a virtue and is deserved based on the results produced by the Bison Football staff over the 5 year transition period. As fans, we are not involved and are not privy to the same information as the coaches, nor should we be. There is no doubt in my mind that Bohl and staff have a plan and are executing on that plan. Time to chill.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
Quarterback position is fine....we are not a passing team and never will be a passing team....look at the running backs we have! do we really need a stud QB? NO!! Mertens and Parson will be fine, After this season i am willing to bet we will have 1 or 2 QB verbals because these days not many kids want to wait 3 years for their shot at being a starter. But i think mertens senior year we will get some damn good QB's that want their chance in the spotlight
Heard a rumor last night at the WBB game that a QB from California was in this weekend. I mentioned it to a FB coach and he did not deny it. Also said that Sauer (UNI) and Compton were quite a ways apart at Rosemont.
Not a passing team? Are you serious with that last comment? NDSU is able to run the ball so effectively because they able to pass the ball effectively. Throw 8 guys in the box and let's see how effective that running game really is. Don't even bring up Parsons being a QB either. The man looks to run first and pass 2nd, that's not an effective QB who could run the Bison's offense effectively. If Mertens goes down, the Bison are in deep deep trouble. The Bison need a QB this year end of story. They went 2 years without getting a good QB who fits the system, they can't afford to go another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdubs21
My concerns have never been about 2008/2009. If you paid attention at all you will see we have no QB younger than Mertens on the roster. That has to be a concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdubs21
I've forwarded your concerns to Craig. Hopefully he will shape up;)
Thanks! I am clinging to your confidence that there will be a recruit or two on signing dayQuote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
When we sign this stud quarterback, I hope BisonNeil and Craig Bohl hug it out. "Craig, I have been saying how you have underacheived at recruiting quarterbacks over the years."
Now that would be fun to watch. I can tell you from prior signing day parties that he has not went after a quarterback position in the past. (We have been deep). This year is clearly different, and I think we all are expecting a signing on the 6th. He has earned our trust in the recruiting department.
Do you really think they forgot about the position? Seriously. Mr. Football from Minnesota has been waiting in the wings to take over for arguably the greatest quarterback in NDSU history. Pretty hard to get a recruit excited about that depth chart. This year is different. If we get a kid to sign, then redshirt...he will end up as a 3 year starter (at least on paper).
The 6th can't come soon enough. This class is really good right now.
Edited by Admin to remove copyright material from wissports.net
Here's the summary: a WI defensive lineman recruit named Cavil decommitted from UND and went to Southern Illinois. NDSU didn't offer this particular player so really I could move this to News about other schools, but I guess it's tangentially related to NDSU.
I don't mean to be a hard-ass but I don't want to mess around with copyright problems. Thanks for the heads up though, quedog3.
Wisconsin recruits coming in our general diretion, according to wissports.net
Division I-AA (FCS): (14)
North Dakota (2)
RB Mitch Sutton - Stevens Point
WR Jon Heimler - Menomonie
North Dakota State (3)
LB Greg Reid - Milwaukee King
DE Ricky Hagen - Colfax
OL J.J. Manowske - FDL St. Mary's Springs
Help keep Bisonville clean. You may wish to edit this post. Under the radar is a good way to travel here...Quote:
Originally Posted by quedog3
thats could go both ways.....maybe we are an effective passing team cuz we are so efficient running the ball?, and what i meant by not a passing team is that we dont ever need to put up 500YDS in the air every game, look at the stats its usually 250 yds rushing a game and 200 yds passing per game, and most of our passes are short and alot of play action that works amazing because of what? OUR RUNNING GAME!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SirHinn
They are also high percentage passes. Very few "fly" patterns as per Babich Ball.
Very well said! Their track record speaks for itselfQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueBisonRock
Maybe my eyes are tricking me, but don't teams usually play 8 in the box against us anyway? IMO it would be almost impossible to stop Roehl with less.
If it's left up to the opposing team's secondary, it ain't gonna happen.:nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Factor
Check around, see how many FCS schools go two straight years without a QB recruit. I have found a handful that went one year without one, never two consequtive. Is that forgetting the position, I don't know. I only know it makes me uncomfortable also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Burgundy
But, regardless of what BisonNeil wants to do, I will hug whomever it takes to get a stud QB recruit. I may be willing to do more to get two :nod:
I think SirHinn had it right. Threat of the pass opens up the run game, otherwise there are too many in the box. When Walker had two off games and we couldn't throw for about 7 of 8 quarters agains SLO and SDSU, how well did we run? Not worth a damn!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdubs21
it wasnt the passing game that killed us in those games...how about turnovers? blocked punts, punts returned for touchdowns, poor tackling, this debate could go on it on cuz its strictly opinion based, and i am not saying we dont need a QB recruit or that i dont want one...what i meant is that im not gonna be the one bashing bohl or the coaches because we havent signed a QB yetQuote:
Originally Posted by OldBison
Great info from Hallstrom on Bobby Miller, the CB from Michigan that verbaled- http://www.areavoices.com/bisonmedia/?blog=20050
I haven't been paying attention much lately, but didn't we have a DT from NDSCS who was transferring in? I opened up the recruiting thread and didn't see him on there anymore.
NDSCS just had a DE (Jarrett Crittenton) verbal to Clemson. According to a Clemson board this kid had about 20 offers. There were a lot of FBS schools looking around NDSCS, could this be the reason why Kyle Richardson descided not to pursue NDSU in the chance some FBS would offer?
Consensus is that NDSU has a pretty good recruiting class, we have a couple players rated two stars. I thought it would be interesting to see how this stacks up to other top FCS schools.
Check out N. Iowa, by far the most impressive list, by Rivals rating standards that is (for what that is worth) with many two star players. Appalachian St has a few three star players. McNeese and Montana also have some nice talent coming, Geo So. also has a few three star players. Simply scroll through the listed teams, unfortunately NDSU is not listed, must not pay Rivals fees.
http://www.minnesotapreps.rivals.com/commitlist.asp
Kolpack quoted Bohl as saying he wasn't pursuing an JUCO players, Hallstrom later backed it up on the media blog, so after my encouragement, his name was removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffdaryl3rd
However, according to Scout.com he is still committed to NDSU:
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73...mn=RatingValue
Who knows until Feb 6???
even though he is a juco...it would be nice to have a kid with that size...isnt he like 6'4" 280 or somethin around there?
Scout.com lists him at 6'3" and 310 lbs. Big boy, could clog the middle nicely. Nonetheless, between Kolpack, Hallstrom and Scout.com I am terribly confused, but then that probably doesn't surprise anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdubs21
It seems like our lineman, linebackers, and tight ends are as good as anyone. The problem is we never find the highly rated skilled players and we need to go out to find them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
Guys like Heckendorf and Belquist are solid west coast receivers but they won't take a slant to the house. That is why
Off the topic, but am providing the attached to request some facts backing up your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Sam Houston State vs North Dakota State Scoring Summary
00:07 NDSU - Kole Heckendorf 27 yd pass from Steve Walker (Shawn Bibeau kick) 3 plays, 54 yards, TOP 0:19, SHSU 38 - NDSU 41
North Dakota State vs Cal Poly (Nov 10, 2007) Scoring Summary
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00:38 NDSU - Kole Heckendorf 80 yd pass from Steve Walker (Gary Williams rush) 3 plays, 92 yards, TOP 0:27, NDSU 31 - CP 28
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2007 NDSU Individual Statistics
RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
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Kole Heckendorf 11 48 766 16.0 6 80 69.6
Alex Belquist 11 35 499 14.3 0 38 45.4
It looked to me like Heck took some deep and to the house at times when deep is to be well defended. Alex also got some depth - with moves not better speed - per his longest of 38 yards. The average gain per catch for both was 14 to 16 yards.
I get your point, but would not trade either of these two receivers for all the speed that a Troy Williamson can bring. Especially when one can Roehl over the opposition.
It's the offensive style we play and it fits our style of ball and level of skill. Good hands and route running but "so so" speed. Heckendorf reminds me of Cris Carter... a good posession receiver but not a deep threat. Once the Vikes got a deep burner in Moss they stepped it up to a higher level. Teams ignored Heckendorfs ability to go deep and he caught them off guard once in a while. It as Jordan Schultenover who made most of the big plays at Cal Poly. I think he caught 2 or 3 bombs late in the game. We need Belquist and Heckendorf to take a bubble screen to the house like Travis White used to do but I don't think they are fast enough to do it. That's OK because they are good at what they do. The same result just a different way of getting there. I think Holloway and Williams have some big play ability. Schultenover was huge late in the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBisonRock
I wouldn't use Troy Willamson as an example of speed since he's just a bad football player. Maybe Moss would be a better example! :)
Hallstrom said on the sports last night Jason Obarski has verbaled to NDSU and is a kicker and punter(I think somewhere it was mentioned that he didn't punt)
Thanks for the head's up. I've updated the list o' verbals.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent