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I think he should ... :paperbag:Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Our Lady of South Bend is putting the screws to NBC, 75 million screws.
That tells me the B1G threw them a number that would have them strongly consider giving up their beloved independent status.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...n-independent/
NDSU is ALREADY LOSING ITS FANBASE & MONEY BY STAYING FCS
can't you people see that? hello hello. us FBS fans have been telling you this for 5 years now that it's coming.
the AD has ZERO motivation to try he's just happy to be here, he and phelps were at fucking pud Stony Brook 7 Years ago, Dean fell in love & wanted to retire, good for him.
HOWEVER HERE WE ARE. I am literally the only one pushing this 5 years ago and the last few years others have joined and seen the light.
make a backroom deal with MWC and get it done or PLAN for a new 45,000 stadium & pitch the big 12
The geography might explain the lack of population heheQuote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
I'm curious what you think my answer would be. FCS and FBS have different NCAA rules. A football only conference is viable in FCS but not in FBS. A bunch of D2 to D1 transition teams is completely different than our current situation. NDSU didn't join the GW, we founded it WITH A REGIONAL PARTNER in SDSU and a known rival in Northern Colorado. In the end all the founding members got Summit/MVFC or Big Sky invites, but in an alternate universe the Great West could easily have become the D1 NCC v2. Whether that's better than what we have now is worth its own thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
Looks like that may be more than 3x the current deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Also it’s amusing to me that CBS is just like “heads up Big XII, NBC wants to take some of the money they should be paying you for your content and resulting synergies and ship it to Norte Dame instead.”
45 seat stadium gets me every single time. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
However, here we are. MWC still doesn't give a shit about NDSU. Weird.
MAYb WE AREN'T USING ENOUGH CAPSQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Get Scheels, Tharaldson, Need Seed think Pro Seed, Lee Swanson, the owner of the dirty book store and have Dougie B call Bill Gates to donate and BOOM 45k seat stadiumQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
We'd be VERY lucky if Bill G kicked in a million or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
He only bought 2k acres, has around 270k acres total elsewhere. Donated 100k to Doug B.
Now if NDSU were located in Seattle ...
Seems like a good thing for anyone wanting more movement among schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
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Interesting read
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...s-matador-club
Divisiveness in the locker room? What a bunch of socialist nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
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Originally Posted by bisonaudit
I kept reading and Texas Tech is doing an NIL deal for 25k for every football player plus 15 walk ons. So they basically upped the number of scholarships from 85-100. The future of college football is looking gross. If you think the stipend is a big deal, look out. I predict within a few years the SEC will get a guarantee of 200 grand per player including scout team. There wont be any talent left over and they will legally bribe transfers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
On the flipside nothing is stopping us but its not going to be fair. What happens when we sign a similar deal for 5 grand per player? A business owning fan/donor says ill drop $425k and you can give it to 85 players to appear in a commercial or wear a patch. We just upped our scholarships to FBS level. 5 grand is like a half scholarship in reciprocity states. 22 walk ons could spend it on half tuition. The 1/2 scholarships could turn it into a full. The full now has an extra 5 grand plus FCOA. Heck some business who are fans could start an advertising endowment program. You think Gate City, Scheels or Bell wouldnt jump on that?
Might these NIL deals, like Texas Tech's and Miami's, repel a segment of the college football fanbase?
A segment? I would say a majority of CFB fans follow the sport due to the (perceived) amateurism of it and the (perceived) connection to their university. This is college sports turning into the minor leagues. I would guess that within 10 years the P2, P3 whatever it is at that point is the only ones with NIL. It's just an unsustainable model, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
25,000 a player to perform x amount amount community service hours isn't outlandish and is actually a smart way to handle NIL. It would be amazing if we could do something like that for all of our student athletes someday, albeit at a lower dollar amount. The problem is that it won't end there and Herdbot is right, this will totally get out of hand and will be unsustainable for all but the P5. What really repels me is recruits individually getting paid to go to a school based on some fake NIL deal. It's pay for play and ruins college athletics
I guess I just don’t see where there’s a problem with any of this or what it ruins. Just about every sport on the planet has had to cope with the transition from amateurism to professionalism in the last 150 years, which ones are worse for paying their players what they’re worth?
I think it'll settle down after donors get burnt a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
"That kid i gave tens of thousands? He just threw 4 picks against Tulsa. Fuck this."
Because these people got to where they are by not understanding how risk and reward work?Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
How many of those sports had fan bases who appreciate the amateurism of the sport and how many of those sports were directly subsidized using money for higher education? How many of those sports that went on to be a successful minor league program for a higher level of athletics?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Any fan that only cares about teams' ability to put a ball in a hoop or cross it over a line are already watching the NBA or NFL instead.
All of them had a portion of the fan base that appreciated amateurism. But the people who appreciated the amateurism the most were the ones getting paid instead of the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
why are we subsidizing semi pro sports with education dollars in the first place?
why are we kidding ourselves about college football being something other than a developmental league now?
Some/many/most. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Wouldn't be shocked if some get caught up in it a bit.
5k per athlete would be top in the FCS if not the G5 but the problem is we are still at the second tier of college football. What I don’t like about NIL is we are never going to be able to compete with the P5 when it comes down competing for recruits. If teams are offering 25k and we are only 5k how are we going to compete? How are we going to be able to hold on to another Trey Lance when any future player with that talent would be turning down big money just to stay at NDSU. I really hate to see what happens to college athletics in the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Unfortunately, I don't think any of the P5 power conferences want "parity" or will allow it. This is the way the hierarchy will be maintained. If a team like Boise or Houston has a star QB, Texas or OSU can come along and grab that player the next year. Then Houston backfills with players from lower down the chain.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
I also don't think $5k is going to be tops for the G5. I believe in a few years the P5 will be at $200k/player and the best G5 schools will be offering at least $10k - $20k, but possibly much more for specific stars. This will escalate quickly. Already some stars have signed much bigger deals.
Where this is headed is the P5 will be the semi-pro feeder for the NFL, and the G5 will feed the P5, and so on.
When teams like Notre Dame are negotiating $75 million yearly media payouts, you better believe they will spend millions on players. Texas A&M was rumored to have spent $30 million on NIL recruiting last year.
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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
It could be good and bad. I think it's a good thing when your talking a star player. If a kid wins the Heisman, he's earned it. If he gets a deal from Gatorade, he might be less inclined to leave college early for the NFL draft. That's good for football.
I actually think NDSU is going to clean house on this for our overall roster but maybe not the superstars. Not like big national deals for star players but for retention and depth. 95% of FCS schools can't afford to do FCOA so they sure as shit won't be able to pull this off. There are still G5 schools who aren't doing FCOA.I doubt we could pull off 25 grand a year but what about something like this?
- Business agrees to pay all interested football players $50 a month for being a brand ambassador. It's not big money but it's still $600 a year, paid at years end. I would cost a business $60 grand a year to fund 100 players, but all the players will be promoting them on social media so it's a good benefit. Doesn't sound like much, until you get 20 businesses doing the same thing and suddenly it's 12 grand a year, enough to cover a full ride scholarship for a walk on or an extra 12 grand (plus FCOA) for a scholarship player. That could be good for retention.
How about a business looking for paid interns in certain fields? How about a business paying for a 5th year graduate transfer for an internship?
Here's what they are doing at BYU. Business partner pays all players who want to join up to 1K annually each. Then they pay for a full scholarship for any walk on player. That's a really good cause but then again, just because they pay for a scholarship doesn't mean they are going to make the team. So they could end up just funding someone 1 year who never plays football and then wants to be an accountant. So it's kind of a good cause for the greater good but BYU can now essentially make everyone a scholarship player. That could help with retention, maybe not as much for recruiting the big stars, who will get Nike deals at Alabama
I think for NDSU, it's going to be a significant advantage for our general territory. If you own a business in North Dakota and western Minnesota that operates state wide, that could be an effective advertising campaign since we're on statewide ABC and statewide radio. That's a pretty big reach. They can advertise their products from Beach ND to Alexandria MN, and NDSU has fans in those territories. Players get paid. Business gets a great partnership.
Now often is NDSU competing with P5 schools that aren't bottom feeders for recruits even before NIL was introduced? It might still come down to a recruit weighing the prestige of a big-time program where they could have limited playing time or any top 10 FCS program where they will get more playing time, lots of wins and still have the exposure to get in the NFL if that is their ultimate goal.
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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Need to remember NIL is not affiliated with the university so their payments to a NIL deal will not get them free advertising on tv or radio.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Who in the FCS is going to compete with NDSU to offer $25k per year ? What NDSU donors are going to shell that kind of dough out for a FCS NDSU. I feel like we need to get to the G5 if we are going to compete on a NIL level. There is no point for a FCS school to compete with FBS schools on NIL deals when we already have the best recruits.
Money will win out when compared to winning, playing time or Comprable NFL exposure. Why would we waste money to compete with FBS when we are only at the FCS level. Makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
They won't get free advertising, but it would be a heck of an advertising campaign. 100 players all promoting products on social media is really good exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
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Yeah you might need the NSA for a phone call.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Media GALS are an upgrade in MWC... .
That’s a lot of money to shell out to compete for recruits but not actually compete on the field against the teams we are recruiting against. The more these NIL deals evolve the less relevant we will become if we do not start matching the deals other G5 teams are offering. I feel like this makes our move to the G5 even more dire. We really will die at the FCS level if we don’t move up.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
This'll get Chapo all giddy.
https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/stat...C8obP47oErAAAA
Be still, my beating heart. Although my brain says it's the CUSA implodingQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Matt Brown you're a dick for doing that.
Gonzaga to Big East, finally?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92