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Big12 will survive and PAC will survive. People said the Big12 would die a year ago, but it did not. FBS is heading toward a 2/3/4 structure. I don’t think CUSA makes it. It would be nice if the B1G/SEC just left, but I don’t think they will
I can’t see Cal/Stanford cozying up with Boise/SDSU but I can see them taking land grants from CO and UT. PAC will be different and strive to keep a true regional footprint with a facade of academic elitism. They already know they are in the 2nd tier
B1G really wants ND and they now have USC
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NDSU & BOISE ST to BIG 12 would be fantastic, NDSU should be on the freakin phone ASAP with BIG 12 saying
"if we build a 45k stadium and play 1 or 2 games at US BANK a year will you let us in!"
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El_Chapo
NDSU & BOISE ST to BIG 12 would be fantastic, NDSU should be on the freakin phone ASAP with BIG 12 saying
"if we build a 45k stadium and play 1 or 2 games at US BANK a year will you let us in!"
Why would they not take Colorado State instead? Or steal Colorado from the PAC 12? Mountain West may not exist
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I think everything depends on B1G's intentions. I've seen people with 'sources' say everything from they're holding at 16 to wanting a superconference of up to 24, which would be wild. If the latter, expect the SEC to do the same with the other P5 trying. I think at least one entire conference disappears then, too much consolidation and few if any G5 schools meet the new standard.
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El_Chapo
NDSU & BOISE ST to BIG 12 would be fantastic, NDSU should be on the freakin phone ASAP with BIG 12 saying
"if we build a 45k stadium and play 1 or 2 games at US BANK a year will you let us in!"
Work your sources bro... pump this shit up!
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The Big XII just named a new commissioner this week. He's set to start on August 1st so they are in transition right now.
Don't forget that our sports that don't use an oblong, brown ball don't move the needle for other conferences.
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6ec4829f95.jpg
Pat Forde had this back in 2020. Sure would be nice! We would win the Great Midwest division in year 1.
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Wisconsin might be a close game.
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El_Chapo
NDSU & BOISE ST to BIG 12 would be fantastic, NDSU should be on the freakin phone ASAP with BIG 12 saying
"if we build a 45k stadium and play 1 or 2 games at US BANK a year will you let us in!"
Let’s come back down to earth! Big 12 is not happening in the next decade. MWC or a new G5 is our only shot. Focus on reality!!!!
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El_Chapo
NDSU & BOISE ST to BIG 12 would be fantastic, NDSU should be on the freakin phone ASAP with BIG 12 saying
"if we build a 45k stadium and play 1 or 2 games at US BANK a year will you let us in!"
Why would we play all these games at US Bank if we had a 45k seater? Lmaoo
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B.Schlossman Fan Club
Let’s come back down to earth! Big 12 is not happening in the next decade. MWC or a new G5 is our only shot. Focus on reality!!!!
Seriously. IF NDSU gets a ride on this merry go round it will be some form of a G5
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Why would we play all these games at US Bank if we had a 45k seater? Lmaoo
Lakes would move the whole team to Minneapolis if he could.
He's a Minnesota guy dontcha know.
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Seriously. IF NDSU gets a ride on this merry go round it will be some form of a G5
Yep, our niche is as a strong FB program with a modest, but wildly loyal following. There is some national interest/brand due to our ridiculous success at FCS, which would be a boon for a couple years in whichever FBS conference would take us. That would wear off pretty quick if we didn't continue our success though.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/sta...664836/photo/1
Here they go. Note the emphasis on "academic". Sorry BSU/SDSU …
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Pac12 definitely wants to maintain academics, but beggars might not be choosers. I think the only AAU member with even remotely a chance to join is UC-Davis. As crazy as that sounds, on paper they actually seem like a good fit aside from athletic budget. That's an awfully big jump though.
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Pac12 definitely wants to maintain academics, but beggars might not be choosers. I think the only AAU member with even remotely a chance to join is UC-Davis. As crazy as that sounds, on paper they actually seem like a good fit aside from athletic budget. That's an awfully big jump though.
I think they bail totally on AAU and just go with R1. Thought about Davis too but it's just too big a jump.
One does wonder if BYU would prefer the PAC to the Big12, and if that move is set in stone yet.
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WhoRepsTheLurker
Oklahoma St, Kansas, KState, Texas Tech, Baylor, most if not all seems like a good shot they go Pac 12. West Virginia moves to ACC? Wouldnt b shocked if Big 12 disbands in a decade.
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B.Schlossman Fan Club
Let’s come back down to earth! Big 12 is not happening in the next decade. MWC or a new G5 is our only shot. Focus on reality!!!!
Small time Hoople mindset... Too afraid to ask the hot chick to dance. Eh Lakes?!?!
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Sounds like B1G is waiting on ND to make a decision but isn't pressuring or something? Idk. I hate all this. Bring back regional conferences!
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Matt Brown of Extra Points will be on 1660 at around 4:20-4:30
Should have some good humor, even if it's too soon for meaningful insight
B1G is ruining College Sports for $$$$$. Too bad they don't just leave FBS
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ByeSonBusiness
Why would we play all these games at US Bank if we had a 45k seater? Lmaoo
to allow them to showcase for alumni/recruits thus appeasing them for adding us
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https://nacda.com/documents/2022/6/3...Istandings.pdf
Final Director’s Cup Standings if anyone is interested
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El_Chapo
to allow them to showcase for alumni/recruits thus appeasing them for adding us
I'm sure Big XII teams are super excited about the idea of playing a football game in Minneapolis.
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Arizona. Arizona St, Utah, Colorado to the B12?
Who would have thought of that a few weeks ago?
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/15426...QaE_qJ6Nc7pK6A
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This is going to be great when the B12 panic adds those four schools and then 30 minutes later there’s a press conference announcing the Pac12 adds ok state, k state, ttu and Iowa state
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NDSU92
This is going to be great when the B12 panic adds those four schools and then 30 minutes later there’s a press conference announcing the Pac12 adds ok state, k state, ttu and Iowa state
I expect one or the other but not both to happen. I expect 4 conferences of 16-20 teams each and ultimately the traditional names going way. Those 4 conferences will then align on something like the BCS/CFP for championships and try to reduce revenue sharing wth the rest of the NCAA. No inside info but I wouldn't be surprised to see a variation of this happen.
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Notre Dame is the next prize.
After that, it's city/region media markets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...vision_markets
That works for Washington (Seattle) and Stanford/Cal (SF/Oakland/SJ) and North Carolina (Raleigh).
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I could see (in chronology):
Notre Dame finally going B1G
UW/UO/Cal/Stan ending up in the B1G
The B1G saying they're going 22/24 teams and a bidding war ensues for the last 1/3 slots
Utah/Colo/Az/ASU in the Big XII
Wassu/OrSU ending up in the MWC (or they keep the PAC name)
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With indoor practice facility nearing completion and the outdoor track renovation, NDSU looks very well set facility wise at our level for a move up. Maybe soccer is the only sport that is due for a facility upgrade.
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There are media reports claiming UU/CU/Az/ASU have meetings on Tuesday (7/5/22) with the Big XII. In light of UW/UO and Cali/Stan making B1G overtures they'd be foolish not to explore it.
Wassu and OrSU have real problems if that happens. They'll end up with the MWC.
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The_Sicatoka
There are media reports claiming UU/CU/Az/ASU have meetings on Tuesday (7/5/22) with the Big XII. In light of UW/UO and Cali/Stan making B1G overtures they'd be foolish not to explore it.
Wassu and OrSU have real problems if that happens. They'll end up with the MWC.
NDSU needs to bug that meeting.
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The_Sicatoka
There are media reports claiming UU/CU/Az/ASU have meetings on Tuesday (7/5/22) with the Big XII. In light of UW/UO and Cali/Stan making B1G overtures they'd be foolish not to explore it.
Wassu and OrSU have real problems if that happens. They'll end up with the MWC.
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EC8CH
NDSU needs to bug that meeting.
We want to see the PAC 12 survive by raiding other conferences like the MWC. If the PAC 12 dissolves, it's bad for us and huge for the Mountain West
We want to see Boise, Utah State, Nevada and Colorado State go to the PAC 12
The PAC 12 is still more appealing than the Big 12 with Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State
That's how we will get an invite
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HerdBot
We want to see the PAC 12 survive by raiding other conferences like the MWC. If the PAC 12 dissolves, it's bad for us and huge for the Mountain West
We want to see Boise, Utah State, Nevada and Colorado State go to the PAC 12
The PAC 12 is still more appealing than the Big 12 with Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State
That's how we will get an invite
If those schools stay in PAC.
Stanford and ND rumored to B1G, followed by Washington and Oregon at a later date.
B1G supposedly said "no" to Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado - thus the reason they are talking to B12.
If all that develops, the PAC loses up to 9 schools. Do the remainders try to rebuild or merge with someone else?
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BigHorns
If those schools stay in PAC.
Stanford and ND rumored to B1G, followed by Washington and Oregon at a later date.
B1G supposedly said "no" to Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado - thus the reason they are talking to B12.
If all that develops, the PAC loses up to 9 schools. Do the remainders try to rebuild or merge with someone else?
Right now, and for the foreseeable future, its 2(B1G/SEC), 3(B12/ACC/PAC), 5 (G5) as the 1, 2, 3 levels of CFB, with CUSA on the bubble. If the B12 gets the motherload from the PAC and goes to 16, the PAC will just take from the MWC and AAC to become a better version of both, and it will still be at the 2nd level, not the 3rd (FCS is 4th).
If that doesn’t happen and they stay put in the PAC, do they stay at 10 or grow? That’s the big question.
With the B1G setting an example, and the B12 showing desire, it’s hard not to see a scramble to shore up the 2nd level (B12/ACC/PAC) into ‘super conferences’ as well by gobbling up all the valuables in the MWC/AAC, but maybe wishful thinking on my part. The MWC and AAC would then raid the rest of the G5 and upper FCS to shore up the 3rd level, which is where NDSU belongs (instead of the 4th).
If you lump the 1 and 2 levels together as the 'P5', you can refer to our desired landing spot as the 2nd level instead of 3rd
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BigHorns
If those schools stay in PAC.
Stanford and ND rumored to B1G, followed by Washington and Oregon at a later date.
B1G supposedly said "no" to Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado - thus the reason they are talking to B12.
If all that develops, the PAC loses up to 9 schools. Do the remainders try to rebuild or merge with someone else?
If the Big 10 goes west, will they be fine with just 2 and do away with divisions, do 9 conference games and go with the 3-3-6 scheduling model?
And will the pac 12 just remain the pac 10?
I have a tough time believing they are only going to add 2. Even. Through its a shit load of money, you need more than 1 regional rivalry. Is the PAC 8 too small?
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I don't think the PAC12 survives this. It is hard to overstate the impact of losing SoCal tv and recruiting. The other major powers will need to make a change. Once Oregon and Washington leave, the other schools will HAVE to bail.
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OrygunBison
I don't think the PAC12 survives this. It is hard to overstate the impact of losing SoCal tv and recruiting. The other major powers will need to make a change. Once Oregon and Washington leave, the other schools will HAVE to bail.
What do you mean by 'Pac 12'? The idea of a conference with schools that we normally associate it with? Or the organizational entity? At the end of the day, they still have their bowl tie-ins, etc. So even if there were only a few schools left there's a better chance that 6-8 schools go from MWC to PAC, than 2-4 schools go from PAC to MWC. I just don't see a world in which OSU and WSU are taken by a super conference.
Or am I wrong? Forgive my ignorance on this conference thing.
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I'm having a hard time seeing how NDSU benefits from this. We're definitely not alone in not benefiting. If the B1G stop at 16 then probably nothing else changes for now. If they expand then the Pac12 is done and either dissolves or merges with the Big12. Either way there's a glut of FBS schools looking for a home and we're near the bottom of the list. WSU and OSU have a realistic possibility of being left out and dropping to the MWC out of necessity, and don't have any illusions a conference would pick us over them.
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taper
I'm having a hard time seeing how NDSU benefits from this. We're definitely not alone in not benefiting. If the B1G stop at 16 then probably nothing else changes for now. If they expand then the Pac12 is done and either dissolves or merges with the Big12. Either way there's a glut of FBS schools looking for a home and we're near the bottom of the list. WSU and OSU have a realistic possibility of being left out and dropping to the MWC out of necessity, and don't have any illusions a conference would pick us over them.
Yeah but question still stands. Current MWC moves up to PAC and then leaves a gaping hole in the current MWC conference, no?
The MW be another CUSA, but this time there are the dakota and Montana schools plus a couple other MVFC that would be interested in filling out the eastern division. Works for me and probably most else. Still not ideal.
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NDSU92
Yeah but question still stands. Current MWC moves up to PAC and then leaves a gaping hole in the current MWC conference, no?
The MW be another CUSA, but this time there are the dakota and Montana schools plus a couple other MVFC that would be interested in filling out the eastern division. Works for me and probably most else. Still not ideal.
That assumes the Pac still exists and MWC accept invites. That's most definitely not guaranteed if the B1G takes more teams. I can easily see a scenario with the Pac being reduced to WSU, OSU, and 0-3 other schools. That group has zero bargaining power and will be picked apart.
