A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by 56bison73

if you were a leader you wouldnt have had to be forced to give to team makers.

Iow you're nothing more than an immature over winded internet gas bag.

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winner winner!!!!!

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

If you were a leader you wouldnt have had to be forced to give to Team makers.

IOW you're nothing more than an immature over winded internet gas bag.

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he's a leader of the Bro Association of Saying Dumb Shit bro.

Bison need to join an FBS conference at the first opportunity. They will raise the football stature considerably. At that point additional opportunities will present themselves. Think, Gonzaga in basketball. The current status of all FBS conferences will be reshaped in the next 5 years. 2 things, go FBS and focus on NIL sponsors to underwrite the attraction of ND in winter.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Me too. Apparently its aiming too high for the cynics on here though. NDSU can't be that good, they say

Whose your team in the Mountain West?

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Nevada..We used to be 1-AA and moved up so I am interested in this discussion.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

he's a leader of the Bro Association of Saying Dumb Shit bro.

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Nah bro he’s a BOSSS. Bro Organization Spouting Stupid Shit.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Nevada..We used to be 1-AA and moved up so I am interested in this discussion.

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Wolf Pack. Nice. Thanks for your interest, in interesting times.

I became somewhat of an Eric Mussleman fan during his tenure there. I was sad to see him leave, TBH, but it’s the nature of the business, I guess. I thought he had great chemistry with that crew. Some people don’t like him.

The first year the Twolves formed, they played in a corner of the Humpty dome, and a few of us were regulars. His dad was the coach, and I thought he was nuts. We saw everyone there, Jordan, Magic, etc. We would buy shitty seats and squat courtside as close as we could. Crazy times. The NBA was fun then, but who knows, maybe it’ll be fun tonight …

Gobble Gobble

FBS or Bust. period

out of all the FBS teams the smallest fbs budget for student fees/allocation is $3.8 million.

ndsu students will HAVE TO step up this FBS move

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

out of all the FBS teams the smallest fbs budget for student fees/allocation is $3.8 million.

ndsu students will HAVE TO step up this FBS move

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Because college kids just love it when the olds try to tell them what’s good for them.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

out of all the FBS teams the smallest fbs budget for student fees/allocation is $3.8 million.

ndsu students will HAVE TO step up this FBS move

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And if they don’t?

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Originally Posted by NDSU_grad

And if they don’t?

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Chapo has no problem spending other people's money.

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Originally Posted by NDSU_grad

And if they don’t?

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Then it is Stoney Brookes fault!!!!!

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Originally Posted by taper

Chapo has no problem spending other people's money.

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So he’s a democrat?


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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

Because college kids just love it when the olds try to tell them what’s good for them.

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Especially when certain olds dont donate what he is asking of others.

Hating on Chapo aside, we're talking about ~$75 per semester of an increase in student fees per student to get us to that level. UND is already doing it

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Originally Posted by taper

I absolutely want to stay with regional partner(s). History has shown that's the only path to success. I'm fine with that only being SDSU, though I wouldn't be surprised if state politics force us to stay with UND and SDSU with USD.

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Don't forget UMt and MtSU are tied similarly.

That's why I say "build it".
So what if "build it" means that group of six schools is "C-USA North Division" for a few years as a way to get to FBS status.
Frankly, C-USA would be wise to make such a move if for nothing else self-preservation.

After that group meets full FBS criteria maybe they split off or ... whatever.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Hating on Chapo aside, we're talking about ~$75 per semester of an increase in student fees per student to get us to that level. UND is already doing it

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exactly its 1 nice dinner date. Get to that Funding Level, Bring in New FBS conference TV revenue money and possibly Big Dance money if we go all sports and this is a NO BRAINER.. shit should be done already. freakin stony brook

and ZERO ZERO reason to be with a "partner" or wait for the "dakotas or montanas" F em.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Don't forget UMt and MtSU are tied similarly.

That's why I say "build it".
So what if "build it" means that group of six schools is "C-USA North Division" for a few years as a way to get to FBS status.
Frankly, C-USA would be wise to make such a move if for nothing else self-preservation.

After that group meets full FBS criteria maybe they split off or ... whatever.

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So you honesty thing und would but up extra money so the fb program could move up. Hockey only crowd would explode.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Agreed... that's why CUSA/AAC should be options as we to pursue..

the problem is.... OUR ADMIN WONT PURSUE ...OR SOLICIT OR GLADHAND OR SEND FLOWERS..

if 1 leader (besides me) would take the torch and run with it...he'd be a hero and everyone would follow & jump on board.

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Or a basket of mini-muffins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Or05EFLUM

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2022/4/...ama-ohio-state

This link is cool not just for the landscape of FCS-to-NFL since 2011, but because of how NDSU sticks out like an upper G5 in the context of producing NFL talent

Post recent realignment, the MWC is clearly the top G5 (scroll down to the bottom)

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

exactly its 1 nice dinner date. Get to that Funding Level, Bring in New FBS conference TV revenue money and possibly Big Dance money if we go all sports and this is a NO BRAINER.. shit should be done already. freakin stony brook

and ZERO ZERO reason to be with a "partner" or wait for the "dakotas or montanas" F em.

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Or just take out a college loan and expect it to be forgiven? That’s how money is getting “spent” at the Federal level right now, and ends up right back in the pockets of those who voted for said spending/measures.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Or just take out a college loan and expect it to be forgiven? That’s how money is getting “spent” at the Federal level right now, and ends up right back in the pockets of those who voted for said spending/measures.

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I don’t know seems like it’s all a bunch of talk so far.

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Originally Posted by Bison Dan

So you honesty thing und would but up extra money so the fb program could move up. Hockey only crowd would explode.

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Just as there's no "FCS Forever" crowd here, there's no "hockey only" crowd there.
Right circumstance, right opportunity, and people would make the right move.
If FB would generate more revenue, you bet they'd go for it.

As far as money spend, in the group I mention (plus Idaho), NDSU's mid-pack.
The Montana schools (and SDSU?) are shelling out some football dollars: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/b9d2b703
Compared to Montana State, we're all pikers.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Just as there's no "FCS Forever" crowd here, there's no "hockey only" crowd there.
Right circumstance, right opportunity, and people would make the right move.
If FB would generate more revenue, you bet they'd go for it.

As far as money spend, in the group I mention (plus Idaho), NDSU's mid-pack.
The Montana schools (and SDSU?) are shelling out some football dollars: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/b9d2b703
Compared to Montana State, we're all pikers.

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That’s just regurgitating DOE numbers, like these two links

https://footballscoop.com/news/the-h...s-programs-are

https://thesportsarsenal.com/2021/02...ses-fcs-style/

And as both authors acknowledge, they are meaningless. But sure, if you say so, NDSU spends as much on FB as Bucknell and Lehigh. I haven’t seen their IPFs, so I can’t comment, but I know they don’t put many players in the NFL …

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

exactly its 1 nice dinner date. Get to that Funding Level, Bring in New FBS conference TV revenue money and possibly Big Dance money if we go all sports and this is a NO BRAINER.. shit should be done already. freakin stony brook

and ZERO ZERO reason to be with a "partner" or wait for the "dakotas or montanas" F em.

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Hope you're not counting on CUSA to do that. They burned bridges with ESPN, and as a result have a sh!tty media deal. We likely make more now.

Most *other* G5 conferences are paying out new members about $2M/year, except for MWC, which is much better.

That would about cover the NIL money for one USC wide receiver.

Reality is our fans/donors are going to need to spend more if we want to be competitive in FBS. Media money won't do it.
And its also not a fair ask of students to foot the bill for what is becoming NFL lite, with escalating costs.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2022/4/...ama-ohio-state

The other cool thing about this link is that you can see exactly where the split would happen, assuming that they ever got their poop in a group and figured how to do. Now, with Emmert gone, things will move even slower, if it ever happens.

Right around a "draft value" of 15000. NDSU is close to schools like Cincinnati and Wake Forest, clearly at the top of the second tier. Hard to say which other FCS schools would be in that tier, since we have no control over it.

Why didn't (Dean or Cook) & Matt Larsen goto the Mountain West Conference Meeting in beautiful San Diego, CA! ☀️�� today???????????

The more important question is why am I not in beautiful San Diego today.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Why didn't (Dean or Cook) & Matt Larsen goto the Mountain West Conference Meeting in beautiful San Diego, CA! ☀️�� today???????????

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I’m going to go out on a limb and say it’s because NDSU isn’t in the Mountain West.

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Originally Posted by MWC

The more important question is why am I not in beautiful San Diego today.

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good question. get down there & put in a good word for NDSU since NDSU admin are afraid to even go glad-hand...

I am certain I can find way more fun things to do in San Diego then attend that snooze fest..

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

good question. get down there & put in a good word for NDSU since NDSU admin are afraid to even go glad-hand...

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How can you consistently be this wrong---again???? Unbelievable:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

How can you consistently be this wrong---again???? Unbelievable:rolleyes:

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wrong on what. NDSU ADMIN has NEVER sat down with Craig Thompson or the MWC. PERIOD. its unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I am certain I can find way more fun things to do in San Diego then attend that snooze fest..

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Tour the retired air craft carrier in the harbor one day and go to the zoo the next.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Why didn't (Dean or Cook) & Matt Larsen goto the Mountain West Conference Meeting in beautiful San Diego, CA! ☀️�� today???????????

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Crash a private meeting of a private group?
That Dale Carnegie course (win friends, influence people) is working well for you.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Crash a private meeting of a private group?
That Dale Carnegie course (win friends, influence people) is working well for you.

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Chapo took the discounted course, "How to Alienate Everyone & Talk Shit on People. "

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Tour the retired air craft carrier in the harbor one day and go to the zoo the next.

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I have been to San Diego many times..It is a great place..If about a million people would move away I would live there.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Why didn't (Dean or Cook) & Matt Larsen goto the Mountain West Conference Meeting in beautiful San Diego, CA! ☀️�� today???????????

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They werent invited. We arent in the MWC. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

wrong on what. NDSU ADMIN has NEVER sat down with Craig Thompson or the MWC. PERIOD. its unbelievable.

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Your take is wrong. Period. Nice attempt at deflection.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...heir-own-rules

OSU AD suggests that all FBS FB leave NCAA and adopt FCS-like playoff structure under CFP umbrella

They’d have to reign in NIL before the "lessers" agree, but lots of action starting now with imminent NCAA leadership change on the horizon

Something like this is much more likely than a split within the P5, IMO