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Won't get busted for to much caffeine ehQuote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Very true statement. They aren't at the level of a B1G school but they are mostly very good, respected universities in this part of the country. My son graduated from Ball State. They have a phenomenal telecommunications program (with funding from alumnus David Letterman), a very good journalism program, and solid in other core programs many universities have (business, computer science, nursing, education, etc.). With 23k students they are twice the size of NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
As for football, as a whole they are a step up from the MVFC. It's not a huge step and NDSU would definitely be capable of competing right away. But more games would be more competitive. Friends who have moved up from MVFC to MAC have said they notice the better level of play. The atmosphere overall is better in the MVFC though. The midweek games are miserable. They struggle with some of the same things many G5 and FCS teams do...a lot of their alumni are fans of the bigger universities in there state. And they have generally don't have a long history of success to build up a big fan base.
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They are good schools. I have my master's degree from a MAC school, so I'm not dogging their academics. However, I do think NDSU is a better school academically than most MAC schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Wrestling is my 2nd favorite sport to follow at NDSU. MAC wrestling would absolutely suck compared to the Big 12.
Yes, there is a lot of sarcasm but in your defense, there are also many serious comments on this board that would warrant your response.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I for one appreciate your comments on here, it's interesting to get the perspective of someone not close to NDSU (I guess I'm making an assumption here).
I know this isn't how university types think, BUT, Boise State isn't exactly Harvard and they seem to play a significant role in the national football scene. Sometimes I think that part gets too much emphasis when talking about athletic conferences.
I don't know what the answer is but I guess I'm left hoping there is some fire behid the 3rd hand rumors that have been mentioned here in the last few days.
I’m trying to not be overly excited/optimistic about some of the possible stuff happening behind the scenes that some have stated as of late. It’s like being all excited to have a weekend off and the weather is awesome and find out at 4:45pm Friday afternoon that we have a train to unload/load all weekend and the weather is expected to take a 180. I’m just going to sit and wait till someone gets the text.
I was just being goofy responding to what I thought was a lighthearted post about NDSU moving to the "Pac 10" 3 years after joining the MW.. I think you guys are alright.
I am interested in the debate about moving up. My alma mater, Nevada had similar debates before moving up. The Big West was in the process of collapsing as a football conference. A few of the nearby California schools dropped the sport. The conference scrambled like crazy adding schools like Louisiana Lafayette, Arkansas State and North Texas. None were in the West. Boise didn't come on board for 4 or 5 more years. It was tough sledding for a small school, with a limited budget but we had a hall of fame coach and a lot of drive. It got us to the WAC and then the MW. It took about 20 years.
While it may be different for you, moving up is not a smooth ride for the most part. But, if you want it bad enough it can be done.
I came here because of some misconceptions about the MW. I have no inside info but I am guessing the conference is aware of NDSU. If the conference wants you they will invite you. However, there are some layers that make an invitation unlikely anytime soon. The MW tv deal runs through 2026. I don't think they will look to add until then even if they lose a school or 2 in the interim.
It's my favorite sport, but I would gladly take the downgrade in wrestling conference if it meant FBS football.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU_grad
Plus, we'd be among the favorites to win the conference and should be able to consistently put ~5 in NCAAs.
Pac 10 or bust.
You have to get a time machine. The Pac 12 hasn't been the Pac 10 for awhile now..
We're going to kick a few out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
So, back to 2010? Weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Are there actual rumblings regarding the MAC?
No it's just us. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DePereBisonFan
A couple posters have said that they have heard there's some activity going on behind the scenes on the FBS front. It seems that the MWC doesn't want us unless half the conference leaves. And it has been independently reported that we told CUSA that we don't want them (dumbest, most short-sighted and unimaginative decision since Blockbuster choosing not to buy Netflix). That only leaves the MAC as a possibility if the behind-the-scenes stuff is going on. But if you go to the MAC discussion boards, there's not a murmur of such a move. So who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by DePereBisonFan
Geez, it's almost like the fan bases are unaware of what administrators are doing...who would've thought it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
I haven't seen any reporting anywhere that says the MW doesn't want you..That may be the case but the only thing that has come out publicly about possible MW expansion is that the tv providers are not willing to boost the contract to accommodate new schools...The contract runs through 2026.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
UTSA, North Texas, UTEP, New Mexico State and Rice all sought an invitation from the MW. The MW members did not want to further cut a pretty small revenue pie to add anybody. When the negotiations for the next deal start up, NDSU may very well be part of the discussion.
u saying u wouldn’t go back to 2010 if you could bro?Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
Looks like a good listen
https://herosports.com/fcs-podcast-r...tt-brown-bzbz/
On this episode, Sam is joined by Matt Brown, the publisher of Extra Points. Matt discusses all things realignment, both FCS-to-FCS and FCS-to-FBS. Talking points include:
-What are the next moves for FCS conferences that are low on membership numbers, like the OVC, ASUN, and Southland? Is a conference merger on the table?
-How many D2 schools could we see move up to the FCS?
-What makes an FCS school a good target for an FBS conference?
-What is the future of FCS-to-FBS moves?
-Reasons why FCS-level athletic departments would want to go to the FBS.
-Was NDSU a C-USA target?
-What is NDSU’s path to the FBS?
-If the Mountain West lost teams to the Big 12, would it then look to NDSU or the Montana schools? And where is the Big 12 at on wanting to add more teams?
-Could a group of FCS teams form their own FBS conference?
-What FCS teams are all-in on trying to be FBS at some point?
-Will the Power Five ever split off from the Group of Five, creating a G5-FCS merger?
-And the likelihood of a G5 team/teams moving to the FCS like Idaho did.
That was an interesting listen..I skipped over a lot of the first part but I did listen to the MW stuff..He did not answer the question about whether there has been discussion with the MW..I think his suggestion that if 2 schools leave the MW would look to add naming 4 possible schools..NSU,SDSU,MSU and Montana. Maybe, but I think it is far more likely they would not add at all..If Boise goes along with San Diego State, the new contract will pay less..I can not see any way they would add 4 schools to be paid out of a lower revenue stream..
I'm really not sure why anyone talks about SDSU. They are NOT going anywhere. I also don't believe the Montanas have a big desire to move up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
It's NDSU and only NDSU and that the biggest part of the problem.
Any talking head that mentions SDSU and going FBS in the same breath knows nothing about the landscape of college football imo.
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Pretty sure the MW tv contract pays out about the same as the NDSU one.
What that means for NDSU and Learfield, and MW and them sharing NCAA tourney money I have no idea.
Yeah SDSU somehow finds it in their best interest to tell people they have no hope. Wild.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
FBS taxes must be a huge pain in the ass or something.
I think most would be surprised at how much NDSU pulls in for TV money on their own compared to some of these lower FBS conferences. To say with certainty that adding NDSU won't help a leagues tv deal is a bit short sighted imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
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I have no idea what you make but the MW tv deals pay 4 million per school with Boise getting a bit more..The AAC gets more but their members have to pick up the cost of broadcasting all their games..
We get some national games on CBS and Fox but most broadcasts are on FS1 and CBSSN..Members also have 3rd tier rights and can broadcast games CBS and FOX don't pick up. There is also streaming through the MW.
We have no connection to ESPN unless MW schools play in ESPN sponsored bowls..
It is hard to say what the landscape will be like in 2026 but both the MW and the networks appear to be quite happy with each other and I would guess that the partnership will continue.
This year started with $1.8 million on a 10 year $21.9m contract with a "small" market abc station that broadcast across the entire state ABC network essentially. This includes some bball games as well which I think only broadcast in the eastern side of state.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
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This was pretty interesting to listen to. It seems to me like there is a real chance MW could happen. One interesting comment was, "if the MW wanted some of the TX FBS schools, they would have already grabbed them". Over time, NDSU could be somewhat Boise-like, in terms of a national interest.
I'll set the chance at 30-40% this happens eventually.
Plus MWC gets Big Dance money. something like $12-16 million a year with their win credits?
winning the summit gets you $0. (automatic qualifiers don't get revenue) do play in game wins get 1 unit?
NDSU 2015 win dropped off last year
ORU 1 win last year will.bring in $337k annually for next 6 years
Full sports in Mountain West would catapult ALL of our sports
You get a credit for every game you play in. Even auto qualifiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
ORU won two games last year.
NDSU got an additional credit for the "First round" win.
But yes MW gets a lot more money and going MW would mean more to our non-football sports than it would for football. And it would mean a lot for football
I would. My friend wanted us to buy bitcoin at like $3.50 back then lmaooQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
This is pure speculation on the part of the reporter. The MW was very interested in adding some of the Texas schools and the feeling was mutual. Fox and CBS were unwilling to open up the contract for any addition. The conference may or may not have interest in NDSU but nothing will happen now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
Of course, anything can happen and there will likely be more movement. How it lands is anybody's guess.
We play in Frisco every year that makes us basically a Texas school.
Hopefully that fits the footprint of the Pac10
Each Mountain West team received about $260,000 in 2021 from basketball tournament credits.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
It has been awhile since the MW won a game in the Dance. They generally get 2 schools in so it does grow the pot a bit..However, those payments are spread out over years so it is not a tremendous money maker.
Winning games is the key..The biggest chunk in the pot comes from Nevada's sweet 16 run in 2018. That got them 3 games. No other MW has a win since..Hopefully, there will be a better showing this year.
The article I referenced the above numbers from said the MW currently has 10 credits. Last years credits were worth about $290,000 each. Prior years credits worth slightly less.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
The MW members have made a concerted effort to make basketball more lucrative..There is only so far they can go as a football conference but there is lots of room for growth on the courts. The conference has a lot of really good, and expensive coaches and they currently have 5 schools in the top 50 Net. I do think that is where the future lies..
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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Just when I think you've run out of crazy things to say or provocative ways to say them, you prove me wrong again!
So to complete the image, is the MWC the pimp and are NDSU, Boise St, Wyoming, and Colorado St the johns? Who are the whores now?
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Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Sometimes you guys just ask the wrong questions.
How do typical MAC Tuesday night TV ratings compare to your national championship game TV ratings?
Your national championship game should be a huge national draw, but I don't think it is, partly because ESPN seems to broadcast it out of obligation with almost no promotion in the preceding week. I love watching weeknight MAC-tion games.
I looked up a few, biggest viewership I found in 2021 and 2019 was 428k. Maybe I missed one... Think when we've been on the main ESPN we've had a few games over 1 million even in say semi finals... Obviously that's more than our typical in season game but putting NDSU on Tuesday night or Wednesday games will slowly kill the culture of what made NDSU football great. That said right now seems as if it's slowly draining away too. I don't have the answer but our geography in this case is a huge variable that regardless of the ease of using planes now days is still a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyPanth
Either way seems something has to change not only at NDSU but through entire NCAA we're not the only ones that attendance has gone down...
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