NDSU vs Sundogs

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Originally Posted by siouxfan512

Agreed, it was discussed earlier. This will not be an annual rivalry unless we are in the same conference OR unless UND was a competitive contender on a annual basis. That could make it worth doing.

As has been said numerous times, there is nothing for NDSU to gain by playing UND every year, particularly with where the program is currently. UND gets better, NDSU gets worse (not likely), a move to the same conference are really the only ways this becomes consistently annual.

Its a nice thought for a casual fan, a fun perspective, or a nostalgic fans perspective; but that doesn't mean it would make sense from a school/program/business perspective.

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Man, you strike me as rational. You sure you haven't had one too many pucks to the head?

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Originally Posted by HotShot

I'm on board of the side where I think they should play every year. It's great for the state in my honest opinion. I bet it's close to 99% of the people of this great state want it to continue. Let em play. Bison 41 UN_ 10

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Huh!? You obviously don't live in this great state.

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Originally Posted by siouxfan512

I'm with ya, I know I'd love to see it. I just understand why it doesn't happen, or at least why it hasn't happened yet.

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because it was fun watching you barely tread about D2 status, and now tossing you a lifeline was damned stupid on NDSU's part.

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Originally Posted by siouxfan512

Agreed, it was discussed earlier. This will not be an annual rivalry unless we are in the same conference OR unless UND was a competitive contender on a annual basis. That could make it worth doing.

As has been said numerous times, there is nothing for NDSU to gain by playing UND every year, particularly with where the program is currently. UND gets better, NDSU gets worse (not likely), a move to the same conference are really the only ways this becomes consistently annual.

Its a nice thought for a casual fan, a fun perspective, or a nostalgic fans perspective; but that doesn't mean it would make sense from a school/program/business perspective.

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Good points. I'd like to see the effort by the UND backers be put towards scheduling more FBS schools and even more effort (think filling up the Alerus and traveling better) into beating those FBS schools. Both NDSU and UND playing and hopefully beating FBS schools would do way more for the state, both programs and the universities then a game between two schools not many have heard about.

If a person accepts that as a decent thought, then NDSU has done it's part for the most part. Gameday (2X), Frisco, coverage (radio, TV, etc.), FBS success (K-State being the best example)...we've also done well with track, softball, basketball, Amy Anderson...the list goes on.

I formulated this thought in 1995 as I stormed the field at Memorial Stadium on my way to the goalpost...only to be thwarted by a cop who had mase and didn't appear to be gun shy. It was fun at the time...winning is fun, but it's just time for the UND crowd to think bigger and better. I won't forget the B-52 in Frisco, the guy without legs dropping in with the Bison flag, beating the Gophers 3 times...yes, we beat the hell out of them all 3 times we played them, beating K-State, Georgia Southern in the dome, UNI kicking the hell out of us in Cedar Falls....I wasn't thinking about the Sue any of those times. I'll bet not many who made the trip to Laramie were thinking about a yearly game with the Bison when they whooped the Cowboys. That's what they should be after. It's like they are Chris Farley..."remember when....".

If they want a game with us, work harder and meet us in Frisco. Holy hell...could you imagine the build up to that game?

I hope both play well with zero injuries and that a kid from ND makes a big play or two. Morlock would count in my book.

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Originally Posted by HotShot

I'm on board of the side where I think they should play every year. It's great for the state in my honest opinion. I bet it's close to 99% of the people of this great state want it to continue. Let em play. Bison 41 UN_ 10

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So, you'd rather give up a FBS game in 11 game seasons when we need to go there? Trust me, k St. Is more fun than the Hilarious Center and much bigger for the state of ND.

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Originally Posted by TateMosersneighbor

Good points. I'd like to see the effort by the UND backers be put towards scheduling more FBS schools and even more effort (think filling up the Alerus and traveling better) into beating those FBS schools. Both NDSU and UND playing and hopefully beating FBS schools would do way more for the state, both programs and the universities then a game between two schools not many have heard about.

If a person accepts that as a decent thought, then NDSU has done it's part for the most part. Gameday (2X), Frisco, coverage (radio, TV, etc.), FBS success (K-State being the best example)...we've also done well with track, softball, basketball, Amy Anderson...the list goes on.

I formulated this thought in 1995 as I stormed the field at Memorial Stadium on my way to the goalpost...only to be thwarted by a cop who had mase and didn't appear to be gun shy. It was fun at the time...winning is fun, but it's just time for the UND crowd to think bigger and better. I won't forget the B-52 in Frisco, the guy without legs dropping in with the Bison flag, beating the Gophers 3 times...yes, we beat the hell out of them all 3 times we played them, beating K-State, Georgia Southern in the dome, UNI kicking the hell out of us in Cedar Falls....I wasn't thinking about the Sue any of those times. I'll bet not many who made the trip to Laramie were thinking about a yearly game with the Bison when they whooped the Cowboys. That's what they should be after. It's like they are Chris Farley..."remember when....".

If they want a game with us, work harder and meet us in Frisco. Holy hell...could you imagine the build up to that game?

I hope both play well with zero injuries and that a kid from ND makes a big play or two. Morlock would count in my book.

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Great post. Spot on, and wow its tough to remember just how many good moments the Bison have had recently. I was saying the same thing to my father in law the other week, what a blast a UND/NDSU game would be, in Frisco.

Thrilled we finally got our FBS win, too bad it had to be the worst FBS team out there. Can only hope Bubba has us moving in the right direction. Only time will tell.

Here is to a solid game with no injuries.

HotShot you are wrong. What does more for the state (think revenue, think recruiting, think marketing)? A win at Kansas State by the Bison or a win in the Fargodome by the Bison over the Sue?

Yep, Sportscenter's lead story on Saturday will be about the Bison beating the 175th ranked team in Division 1 football.

Have the Sue get better and meet us in the playoffs. Let's continue to play at Kinnick and Oregon and let the Sue play Crookston and whine about us not scheduling them.

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Originally Posted by siouxfan512

Great post. Spot on, and wow its tough to remember just how many good moments the Bison have had recently. I was saying the same thing to my father in law the other week, what a blast a UND/NDSU game would be, in Frisco.

Thrilled we finally got our FBS win, too bad it had to be the worst FBS team out there. Can only hope Bubba has us moving in the right direction. Only time will tell.

Here is to a solid game with no injuries.

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You are right, time will tell. And if the Sue make it to Frisco and we don't this year (technically 2016) you can have my tickets that I already bought. That's our fanbase and what we are focused on. Wish it was the same up north. Enjoy the game.

You kicked my Sundog

What are the chances NDSu joins FBS soon? I realize this may be opening up a whole new can of worms

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Originally Posted by SC_TX

What are the chances NDSu joins FBS soon? I realize this may be opening up a whole new can of worms

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Zero. Too small, underfunded and geographically isolated.

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Originally Posted by TateMosersneighbor

You are right, time will tell. And if the Sue make it to Frisco and we don't this year (technically 2016) you can have my tickets that I already bought. That's our fanbase and what we are focused on. Wish it was the same up north. Enjoy the game.

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haha, I'm holding you to that one. Doubting I'll be coming back to collect.

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

Zero. Too small, underfunded and geographically isolated.

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Of course, with the caveat that if major changes happen with how FBS is currently constructed, all bets are off.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

Most rivalries are conference games. That is where your leadership really hurt you. Until they figure that out, your entitled fan base can keep dreaming.

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UND was not and is not getting into the MVFC unless there is a shift that causes someone else to leave. It was never on the table anywhere at any time. Fan bases or administrations can't force conferences to allow a team to join. Of all fan bases that should know this, you'd think it would be NDSU's, because clearly NDSU would already be in the BIG12.

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Originally Posted by abc123

UND was not and is not getting into the MVFC unless there is a shift that causes someone else to leave. It was never on the table anywhere at any time. Fan bases or administrations can't force conferences to allow a team to join. Of all fan bases that should know this, you'd think it would be NDSU's, because clearly NDSU would already be in the SEC.

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Originally Posted by abc123

UND was not and is not getting into the MVFC unless there is a shift that causes someone else to leave. It was never on the table anywhere at any time. Fan bases or administrations can't force conferences to allow a team to join. Of all fan bases that should know this, you'd think it would be NDSU's, because clearly NDSU would already be in the BIG12.

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No, your administration had a chance. If you moved up in 2003, there is little doubt you would be in Summit/MVFC with NDSU, and maybe SDSU and USD would not. Don't forget that.

Reps on the Big 12 purple, though....(except that we are in the B12, UN_ folks forget that too.)

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

No, your administration had a chance. If you moved up in 2003, there is little doubt you would be in Summit/MVFC with NDSU, and maybe SDSU and USD would not. Don't forget that.

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How is there little doubt? Didn't NDSU need SDSU go to bat for them to get them to where they are by making it clear it was a package deal only? Does SDSU feel that same obligation if there are two North Dakota schools instead of just one?

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

No, your administration had a chance. If you moved up in 2003, there is little doubt you would be in Summit/MVFC with NDSU, and maybe SDSU and USD would not. Don't forget that.

Reps on the Big 12 purple, though....(except that we are in the B12, UN_ folks forget that too.)

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Give UND credit for creating the opportunity for USD to get into the MVFC/Summit. I'm sure that makes people in Vermillion happy.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

No, your administration had a chance. If you moved up in 2003, there is little doubt you would be in Summit/MVFC with NDSU, and maybe SDSU and USD would not. Don't forget that.

Reps on the Big 12 purple, though....(except that we are in the B12, UN_ folks forget that too.)

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I think if they had shown real solidarity and not this cold shoulder, all the Dakota schools would have been together in everything. It's a nice grouping of schools with a common interest.

I wasn't particularly excited either way when I found out we were playing UND. But all I'll say is I'm glad we don't have a bye week before the game. This week will be long enough the way it is. Bison 45, Sundogs 13

NDSU does not need UND. Period.
Scheduling UND is an opportunity cost - it prevents a game against a school that might be interesting on a national level.
From my view ... let's move on.
If UND wants to play NDSU again, then make the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Buffalo.Rider

NDSU does not need UND. Period.
Scheduling UND is an opportunity cost - it prevents a game against a school that might be interesting on a national level.
From my view ... let's move on.
If UND wants to play NDSU again, then make the playoffs.

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I fear that if we do not play nice with one another, the parents will make us.

Remember, these are two public institutions, neither of which is self sustaining.

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

I think if they had shown real solidarity and not this cold shoulder, all the Dakota schools would have been together in everything. It's a nice grouping of schools with a common interest.

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AND the relationship with SDSU blossomed when USD and UND shit on us. The dynamics would have been completely different. And, honestly, who at the time was more desirable, UN_ or SDSU? It was UN_ by a mile. If a team was left on the sidelines, it would have been SDSU. This is not complicated and you are not being honest with yourself if you don't realize this.

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Originally Posted by Buffalo.Rider

NDSU does not need UND. Period.
Scheduling UND is an opportunity cost - it prevents a game against a school that might be interesting on a national level.
From my view ... let's move on.
If UND wants to play NDSU again, then make the playoffs.

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NDSU does not need UN_. But, NDSU needed a 6th home game and this was dirt cheap. No one that would generate national interest would have come for that 6th game without forcing NDSU into a home and home contract.

My point, lets not get carried away. This is a very useful game for NDSU.

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Originally Posted by ndsubison1

You kicked my Sundog

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You kick my Sundog, you pay for nickname consultant!

UND fans chant Fuck the Bison!

NDSU fans chant Sioux Suck Shit!

Articles and editorials read "Racist chants from NDSU fans". :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

UND fans chant Fuck the Bison!

NDSU fans chant Sioux Suck Shit!

Articles and editorials read "Racist chants from NDSU fans". :facepalm:

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Who cares what the libtard media says.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

Who cares what the libtard media says.

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The problem is people outside the state only read those headlines and it reflects badly on NDSU.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

The problem is people outside the state only read those headlines and it reflects badly on NDSU.

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Media will print what they want........tell them to go listen to what is said at other games around the country.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

Who cares what the libtard media says.

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Wow SD...you had to get that in there...didn't you? Politics on bisonville. Ugh

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

Zero. Too small, underfunded and geographically isolated.

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what about that disaster down there in Las Cruces? If they can be FBS...

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

I fear that if we do not play nice with one another, the parents will make us.

Remember, these are two public institutions, neither of which is self sustaining.

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Nobody forced us for 12 years. Why would that change now? If everybody up north and out west in Bizzo town would grow up and realize that more is to be gained by playing and beating better teams outside of the state, the state as a whole would be better off.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

UND fans chant Fuck the Bison!

NDSU fans chant Sioux Suck Shit!

Articles and editorials read "Racist chants from NDSU fans". :facepalm:

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Honestly I don't think many people would really care. Just a loud minority

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Honestly I don't think many people would really care. Just a loud minority

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Pretty much this.

No one will give two shits that UND fans chant 'Fuck the Bison' and no one will give two shits that NDSU fans chant 'Sioux Suck Shit'. There will possibly be articles written locally, but outside that, no one cares. Even locally, it'll be the minority that care.

I don't think I have ever heard anything about the Wisconsin student section and their love to chant 'Eat Shit. Fuck You.' to each other (which they do every game).

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

That's because most schools and definitely most FCS schools won't schedule contracts for two away games, much less for the price UND is getting. UND was desperate, more desperate than other programs like Weber. NDSU just took advantage of that.

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I could be wrong on the timing, but weren't we the desperate ones at the time? Didn't we have someone drop us relatively late or couldn't find another game? I remember either Dom or the Forum saying it won't be UND because their schedule was full. Weber said, yeah we will play you, but we need a home game out of the deal. If UND had an open date in '14, they would have had a "chance" at the home and home.

My timing could be off (maybe we needed the home game this year and Weber said only if you come out here in '14), but I swear we were the desperate ones in the situation.

And this...

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Originally Posted by BisonTru

The Weber St series worked because of the 12 game season we went there. It still allowed us to play six home games each season. It also, JMO, was probably a last choice decision.

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Originally Posted by siouxfan512

You guys are all so mean ... jk, I like tailgating in Fargo, always a good time.

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Any excuse to get out of GF has to be considered a good thing!

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

I fear that if we do not play nice with one another, the parents will make us.

Remember, these are two public institutions, neither of which is self sustaining.

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Yes but one has to be maintained by law and the other does not...land grant!

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Originally Posted by bisonp

What a load of BS. How has NDSU hurt themselves by not scheduling UND? Why is doing what's best for the school considered "spite"? The fact is this game doesn't bring anything to NDSU that any other non-conference would. What it does is give some legitimacy to UND, which can have a direct and negative impact on recruiting.

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It is the only game on their schedule with state-wide TV coverage. (Thanks to playing us)

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

NDSU does not need UN_. But, NDSU needed a 6th home game and this was dirt cheap. No one that would generate national interest would have come for that 6th game without forcing NDSU into a home and home contract.

My point, lets not get carried away. This is a very useful game for NDSU.

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Agreed and why is not and will not be a rivalry (expect in the minds of some old men). NDSU will schedule UNOD whenever its convenient and serves NDSU's purpose.