They ain't getting into the MAC or MWC. Without either of those 2 as an option then the G5 playoff carrot is the only thing that would get me remotely interested in the move.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
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They ain't getting into the MAC or MWC. Without either of those 2 as an option then the G5 playoff carrot is the only thing that would get me remotely interested in the move.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
My opinion is that i'd rather be in ANY FBS conference than what we have now. We only get 2-3 good games annually and as of next year will be competing against maybe 1-2 teams annually for a championship. If the option was out there i would join the shitty CUSA over what we will have in the future. Those shitty schools are still lightyears ahead of anyone else we'd play on the regular in the FCS. Establish ourselves in the FBS and look to move to a different/better conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
This is a program that doesn't need to "establish itself" football wise. If the offers aren't coming to join a conference now, they won't be there by winning in a shitty CUSA either. Biggest concern is how it'll fracture the fan base? I can see non regional FBS games easily drawing like the 1st 2 playoff games. Not sure I'd even drive the 3 hours to watch a CUSA matchup with SHSU...that's where I'm at. I'll keep driving for UNI, UND, SDSU, USD etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Been talking about G5 playoffs for years, and I doubt that's gonna actually happen anytime either.
Look CUSA isn't impressing anyone, but if NDSU were to go there and dominate, win some good OOC games and finish top 50 like we're already doing as a member of FCS... that is WAY more attractive to a strong G5 conference. Perception is literally everything, and even now, perception of any team with an FCS label is not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Right now if I'm MAC or MW I'm asking myself if NDSU can handle the additional: 22 scholarships, commensurate women's sports funding, increased travel, increased coaches' salaries, etc. We all know the answer is very likely yes, but NDSU blowhards aren't the ones making the decision.
That all being said, I don't really know where I stand on wanting to be a part of CUSA and even more so it doesn't matter because they aren't looking to grow into the midwest so it's all moot. I'm probably in the camp of "maybe to CUSA, no to Independent, and yes to any other option."
Yep, we're at the top of the MVFC and shouldn't settle for anything other than a Big 10 or Big 12 invite.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I'm for anything that isn't Indy, just don't think scheduling is viable as an indy. FCS football is in bad shape right now and there is really little hope for the future. I know some that live in Valley bubbles struggle to see it but FCS football is getting more and more niche and regional...Eventually that is going to have some bigger consequences that people won't like.
Dead on! FCS has been a great opportunity for NDSU to grow it's football program into a larger regional and even a small national brand. But the ability for the program to grow further in FCS is no longer there. As it is currently structured, our future plans for the entire athletic department are largely based on the football program and the revenue it generates. Without the ability for the football program to grow, the improvements that we have seen to the AD since moving up from DII to D1 will likely slow and maybe even stop eventually. Not the end of the world, I suppose, but given the momentum that has been built that possibility is disappointing to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Big 10 had me rolling over. That's a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Agreed but moving to a CUSA type conference could have massive long term implications as well without a G5 playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Would the implications be more or less negative than FCS? My estimation is that the bottom is likely about the same but the ceiling is much higher in FBS. That's why to me your long term plan can't be to stay FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
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Originally Posted by daddy daycare
It is a risk but I am not sure how we move forward without taking a risk. I don't see any ideal situation falling into our laps like JMU got.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
JMU's situation is ideal geographically but it is still a risk financially. They have previously funded their athletics on the back of student fees. Now by moving to the FBS they are by state law required to lower the percentage of athletic funding coming from student fees. They do have 3-5 years, I believe, to do that. However, they are still taking a risk. They have done their due diligence and believe the funding gap can be made up with increased donors, higher game payouts, increased ticket sales and FBS TV contracts. I say this to further support your point that any move that we make, or any school makes, is going to have some level of risk. Texas and OU moving to the SEC has a large amount of risk. There is never going to be a zero risk/no brainer option.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
NDSU CANNOT STAY PAT. it's suicideQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
If you're in a conference like what the CUSA is alleged to be the ceiling isn't good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
As is a sh*tty FBS conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Daddy Daycare. DO Nothng we Die he doesn't care Move to ANY FBS & give ourselves a fighting chance he doesn't care.
You are correct. I don't care. I know where NDSU falls in the grand scheme of college athletics. I mean we could be dreaming of the Potato Bowl with one hundred of our friends. WHOA...such a think big mindset.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Or the realistic outcome.
I’m not advocating for CUSA at all costs but every year that passes with us still in FCS gives us fewer and fewer options and the urgency increases. You don’t like any options so I’m not sure exactly what you are arguing for or against. Based on my observations, the math doesn’t work for us to stay FCS with declining attendance and revenues and still try to grow our athletic department.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
We're a top 50 team right now in multiple all-D1 computer rankings. I'll say this, if we were consistently a Top-50 team in the worst FBS conference for 10 years, people would at least recognize it, we'd be a household name in MW conference talks. Not a cute school with a great history beating up on small division schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
The difference in ability is no different between the two examples. The difference is the perception people have. For myself and many others, there just is no getting around having to already be FBS when MW or MAC comes sniffing around to expand. The FBS brand is that important.
If we were to go and fail and flame out, guess what? We'd be back at FCS, probably winning championships in short order considering what little competition was left is now leaving.
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines! Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover!”
-Mark Twain, maybe
You really don’t know where NDSU falls in the grand scheme of things. The reality is that we missed the boat in 1978 when we should have went to the FCS then. We eventually made it there and although we were 20 years behind, we made up that ground and have surpassed most of the schools in FCS. Most of our peers are now in the G5. We’ve just convinced ourselves that we’re less than those schools or have some overwhelming disadvantage that they don’t. None of the obstacles/disadvantages are insurmountable.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Not buying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Don’t think a lot of people do.
NDSU’s main problem is the same one problem
Location Location Location
There sure are a lot of other arguments that I’ve read on this forum for why we aren’t FBS. Finances, enrollment, academics, stadium,etc. I agree that geography is our biggest obstacle currently. So come up with strategies to overcome it. It isn’t changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
Geography was also a major obstacle in the move from D2 to FCS. Leadership worked strategies to overcome it. Strong leaders have vision and are able to sell others on their vision.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
I have an opinion that’s probably unpopular and I’ll likely get ridiculed for:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Not being FBS is the biggest thing remaining holding NDSU back from being a major university. We now have the endowment, R1 status, great academics, we need to continue raising the profile so that it’s very clear that we are the premier university west of Minneapolis, north of Lincoln and east of Boise.
I couldn’t agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Increase global warming and bring the coasts to us?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
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What if you just had a football team so good that it was worth the trip. Nevermind.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison
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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I would love to see the concept of "relegation" introduced into college football. However, rather than doing it regionally, I would like to see it done within conferences using a two-tier system. Instead of the Big 12 having 10 teams, it could have 16 with annual relegation into a top 8 and bottom 8. Perhaps something radical like that could open the door for NDSU to go FBS. If the top 8 get a bigger revenue split, there would be motivation, even if the pool of conference money got smaller.
Yes, that would be better, certainly. Maybe less likely though. The issue is that P5 schools who are bad at FB (relatively speaking) would lose $$ so they would cry like little babies with sore butts.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyPanth
I don’t think it’s radical at all. I don’t know if being FBS would help enrollment (Rob Port certainly doesn’t think so), but it would elevate NDSU’s brand/image nationally.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Which might be the issue for some folks? A lot of loud people (some "Bison fans" included) just can’t stand the idea of NDSU being so blatantly at the top of the higher ed totem pole in ND. It already is, but the fact that it is isn’t broadcast on national TV every weekend in fall.
To me, insisting that the 4 Dakota schools be forced to stay together stinks of welfare and nanny-state BS. I can only see one reason why anyone would want that …
On the other hand, flying the olys all over the western half of the country just doesn't strike me as sustainable, let alone "green".
who cares about green.
NDSU should want to get away from the crabs in the bucket mentality in nd higher ed pulling us down
It's high time NDSU gets a President with Brass Balls.
NDSU could do better than 1-2 teams in the Big Ten without the extra scholarships in FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I’m curious how you think that happens when the people doing the hiring and firing are the ones you want this brass balled President to turn around and defy.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Ask Kendall Baker how that worked out for him ...Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
NDSU has a group called "Phase II Budget Reduction Committee". I've seen the emails, as recent as Nov 2021, in the listserv --> "Each of the Phase II Budget Reduction Committees will be holding campus discussions to gather input" is the opening sentence of the email.
And have you all heard about the coming cliff as far as students.
Is a solid NDSU good for the State? Definitely. But understand there are challenges of greater priority that athletics fans don't see that it is working on. (Much the same is true at UND.)
And I still say regarding FBS: "build it".
Charm/Kiss Ass the ND HIGHER ED BOARD during the interviews and when you get in GLOVES COME OFF.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
NDSU has been held back for 10 years now, with the growth of Fargo area and its athletics and Engineering, NDSU should be 20,000 students easily and busting at the seams making FBS conference a slam dunk
.it's embarrassing what has happened with the Bismarck/pro und people holding NDSU down.
... and then your contract is not renewed and the university around you gets hit with blowback and collateral damage. Again, see: Baker, Kendall.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Not necessarily. For most of his tenure, Bresciani had powerful enemies on the board and at the statehouse. But he was successful and popular. That made it difficult to get rid of him. It took a chipping away at his popularity and performance record over a period of years before they could finally give him his walking papers.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
The new president should lead and make NDSU head and shoulders above any other Dakota school. That should include a vision for FBS. And then let the chips fall where they may.
and shut down 3-4 pud lil ND Colleges.
no way ND Bottineau ot Valley City should have a Graphic Wrapped Bus to drive their baseball team to Florida in the spring. start shutting them down
I look forward to signing your petition to get amending the State constitution on an upcoming ballot.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
That's what it takes to shut down certain schools (namely Mayville, VC, Minot, Dickinson, Bottineau).
See: Article VIII, Section 6.