Geography took that kid. Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Geography took that kid. Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Dont care.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Yep. You’re right. Shut down the program and put Moorhead back on the schedule. No use in aspiring to anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I think it would be very naive to think that the majority of fans make plans prior to the semis. I think fans will start to adjust to the bowl configuration too. To fans that enjoy NDSU football they will make it a priority. Keeping fans as engaged as possible is the key because they will find a way to incorporate it into their lives when they get enjoyment from it. It’s ridiculous to claim we would get 25k to any destination in the near future but it’s just as ridiculous to think that a bowl game would get much less than the FCS championship. Rip on Chapo all you want for his outlandish claims but I will call out you for yours as well. NDSU has a good fan base. It will travel if given a reason.
This 100%. Like all people with radical positions, they sling mud at “the other side” while spouting a bunch of nonsense themselves. Truth is usually somewhere in the middle. Here id say: NDSU should be trying harder to be FBS, fans will travel regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Toilet bowl game? Three of the four teams playing in Frisco bowls this year are better than all four remaining FCS teams. Yes that includes us.
That doesn't make it a good bowl game. December 21 (a tuesday lol), December 23...NDSU fans wouldn't bring half of what they bring to Frisco currently for a bowl game where the shiny trophy isn't involved. So yes...check the attendance of those games, check the atmosphere of those games. It'll be absolutely nowhere near Friday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Those bowl games aren't much of a reason for much of the fan base. Especially those prior to about Dec 28. Boise? Birmingham? Montgomery? Frisco, Forth Worth, Conway? Lol.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
We will find out in about a decade when it happens.
I dont think "how many fans will travel to bowl games on or around Christmas" should be considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
That said, I think there would be a decent continent of people going. Good excuse to go on a trip and see new places.
I get there is a group of people who are content to go do the same thing every year but other places are fun too.
I sorta wonder how much of it is people geeking on local businesses rolling out the red carpet for them? They'll do that for you in Birmingham, Orlando, Vegas, wherever too.
I got excited for the sdsu vs Montana state game. Made me realize that that's some of what ndsu misses out on with home games for playoff all the time. Some quality road games is exactly what we need be it at the fbs or fcs level. Getting harder and harder to do with the fcs. We at least need home and homes with big sky schools.
I think Bowl games would still bring a good contingent...although the mix of people might change a bit. I can see both sides of this thing.
One thing to consider is that our fan bases reputation would help a bit in the bowl selection department, even compared to quite a few FBS programs. If you think FCS playoff selection is not football results driven.....wait until you look into bowl games.
a NDSU travelling fanbase will only ENHANCE our Bowl Game choices.
NDSU in Vegas or Arizona for a Bowl game brings 20,000-25,000 easily
Okay I'll check those, and you can go check FCS championship games that don't involve NDSU lolQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Take NDSU out of the equation and attendance at Frisco bowl games is higher than the FCS championship.
Oh, and I'll take your home semifinal game against a team that's leaving to FBS (for some misguided reason according to your logic) and raise you a conference championship game in MAC or MW, followed by a bowl game.
The unfortunate reality is that outside of us playing SDSU in the semis, we will never have a full stadium again staying FCS. Not that it all matters, but since you love bringing up attendance and atmosphere...
100% This. The risk to stay FCS is just as great (greater in my opinion) as it is to move FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
staying FCS does NOTHING for NDSU at this point, in fact it will hurt attendence and interest and recruiting even more. (we already have proof this year of that)
Yep, and the other best teams haven't even left yet :/Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
So this is just going back to made up scenarios. Because the MAC or MWC ain't happening. The FBS option is the 'new shitty' CUSA allegedly, which is really...really...not that appealing either.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
So....as i've stated everywhere....damned if you do damned if you don't. Geography rules college athletics it's really not that hard to figure out.
That is true...but low level FBS isn't that appealing either. I have no clue why that's so hard to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Geography influences, but doesn't rule. At least not at the FBS level. CUSA teams are stretched from Miami to El Paso. There's nothing cozy about that. The AAC wanted Boise State. You know what we call the region that includes Boise, Annapolis, Greenville, and Tampa Bay? The United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Geography is important, but it doesn't have to be determinative. The CUSA will make its geography work because it is in the interest of the league to have FBS football teams, some of which are decent. And it is in our interest to be paired with them, despite being located in South Canada.
Right, but you were the one talking about attendance and postseason. I understand the reality of the geography/conference invite situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Low level FBS isn't that appealing to some (you included) but I think others may feel differently provided that we can continue to invest and build our program. Essentially giving up and saying where we are at is the best we can do seems like a really poor way to look at the future and that is hard for me to understand. The realities are that we don't control our destiny completely and I do understand that. Just don't understand the mindset that we resign ourselves to the status quo. Not saying that is what NDSU leadership is doing but your comments lead me to believe that that is your suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Geography is definitely a major obstacle for NDSU. There are ways to overcome it though. It will take money, time and some creative marketing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
During the SIU tv broadcast, the ESPN commentators said that when they spoke with Coach Entz he said that they consider themselves a "Mid-Major Football Program" they don't like the FCS/FBS monikers. I understand this is essentially semantics but I give them credit for trying to frame the narrative differently by how they discuss the FCS-FBS dilemma. It doesn't change the larger dynamics greatly but at the very least it seems to be an acknowledgement that they would prefer to not be labeled as "FCS" which is a start. I'm taking that as an indicator of larger aspirations, fully acknowledging that it is difficult for them to publicly state their full intentions.
Fuck geography. (strawman)
so if NDSU is in MWC. San Diego State flies to Wyoming 1 time every 2 years.
So they fly 1-1.5 fucking extra hour to Fargo 1 time every 2 years. big fucking deal.
we'd play better teams , we'd have 2-3 HUGE OOC games, we wouldn't have to worry about selling tickets for 2 shit playoff games & 2 shit ooc games every year. our recruiting would expand, our NDSU brand would expand, the university would be seen at a higher level.
so many more positives going FBS. than staying put.
It’s not NDSU that cares about the geography it’s the conferences that care. STRAWMAN ALERT!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Eh.... low level FBS is probably more appealing than FCS at this point. Outside of the Missouri Valley... there are like two or three interesting teams effective next fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
The west doesn't have a G5 conference, a western equivalent to the MAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
So build it.
There's the path to FBS.
strawman
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
The most enticing scenario to me is the Dakota Schools and Montana schools in some sort of FBS conference. But you better duck if you mention that because NDSU is apparently above and beyond those institutions. I have no idea how realistic that is.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
strawman alertQuote:
Originally Posted by jmb
because our football program is infinitely better than the othersQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
That would be great but the Montana schools have no ambition to be anything but what they are. They are the Delaware's of the west.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
At this point that scenario is as likely as MAC or MWC. Thought we could just make shit up around here.
5 years NDSU will be FBS, mark it down
IF (<-- note the big 'if') the MWC came a callin', and it was for both at once, they'd take a hard look. However, both have some work to be FBS. At least one only sponsors 15 NCAA sports (FBS minimum: 16).Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I won't disagree; I'll just ask where today's P5 schools are in five years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honeybooboo
Yep—lots of moving parts right now. Gotta be a little patient at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
And normally I ignore your posts...
How are you measuring attendance? Is it butts in seats or tickets sold when the institutions playing in the bowl game are on the hook for buying X number of tickets and take a loss when they go unsold?
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Originally Posted by NDSU92
Most bowl game tix are co-opted. Plus they now negotiate the number of tix they will buy with the conference picking up the shortfall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
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Originally Posted by NDSU92
Attendance at the game is just one way of looking at it. I'm curious what the TV ratings are for the Frisco Bowl in comparison to the FCS championship. As much as I don't like it, college football is being driven (funded) by national TV.
I would assume it’s the same (tix sold) because there was no way there was 8 or 9 thousand at the JMU Youngstown championship eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
Dom Izzo mentioned on Hot Mic the other week that Frisco is hosting two bowl games in three days and that one time they re-sodded the field before the championship game vs Towson, it didn't work out too well.
patient??. what the f we been doing since 2013Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127