2010 Recruiting

La Crosse (WI) Central FB/LB Jason Hengel (6-2, 220) has a walk-on invite from NDSU.

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Originally Posted by Bison Dan

Not really - with better performance out of our qb we would have won 2 of the last 3. Same thing for the last two years. At this level most teams go as far as their qb will take them. I see both und and sdsu are having a hard time recruiting within the region.

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You mean the over-hyped, highy touted, highly regarded QB recruits (namely Mohler and Mertens) didn't reach those expectations on the field.

Based on that, I would say my point was dead on.

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Originally Posted by JacksFan06

I'm not denying that Stig wasn't caught of guard by kids giving their verbals in September & October as that is not typically normal. As I've said a billion times here, it was a good move by Coach Bohl to change up the strategy and be very aggressive early on.

But this how Coach Stig has done it every year and for people to speculate that he is lazy or that he has just recently found these left over recruits I have to disagree.

The players coming in for visits in the next two weekends are recruits that the coaching staff has targeted for the past 4 months. They've already made in home visits to these players and have been analyzing their game film and talking with coaches and family. Many of these players have been told that they are very interested in them and that they will most likely see an offer once they come for a visit in January. The players who sign elsewhere earlier are saying, "thanks for the interest but I'd rather play elsewhere" while the recruits that are interested in SDSU will be verbaling in the next two weeks after their official visits.
That's the "slow design" Coach Stig talks about, they run most of their players through the ringer before they offer a verbal.

NDSU had a very good recruiting class this year, and I'm not taking anything away from them or there process. I'm just saying that I'd wait a couple weeks and than you can judge how SDSU has done.

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I think this is a very fair post. Stig will get his kids this year, just like he does. I think he will change his philosphy a bit next year to go more toward what Bohl did. My opinion. UND fans don't have a leg to stand on. NDSU went 7-0 again against UND this year and have yet to prove a thing. SDSU has proven it on the field and will continue to play a really tough brand of football. NDSU will be back, but it may take some time. Looking forward to Spring Ball already. These back to back classes are amazing.

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Originally Posted by jackrabbit1979

You mean the over-hyped, highy touted, highly regarded QB recruits (namely Mohler and Mertens) didn't reach those expectations on the field.

Based on that, I would say my point was dead on.

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You mean kind of like what bunny mbb fans have been doing the last 4 years.

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Originally Posted by Bison Dan

You mean kind of like what bunny mbb fans have been doing the last 4 years.

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Why are you changing the subject to MBB, because you realize you were wrong?

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Originally Posted by homer

Nice comeback. I just thought I would summarize the interest in SDSU recruiting in the NDSU recruiting thread on a NDSU board by NDSU fans. Maybe JacksFan should say "Thank you for your interest in SDSU athletics."

Plus all you have to do is read the rest of the thread and you know my summary was actually pretty accurate. Thats the funny part.:D But seriously good comeback.

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There is more talk about NDSU and its recruits on the Bunny board than their own 3 recruits, so you don't have much of an argument

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Originally Posted by jackrabbit1979

Hopefully this post about SDSU recruiting in the Bison football section won't be deleted as I'm only responding to Bison fans that keep bringing up SDSU here in this section.

I can't say that Stig's Yankton remarks didn't catch me a little off guard, but they were posted second hand on our board from somebody else's perception of what he said. That's a big difference in my mind, wouldn't you agree NDSU Student? I put more stock into the link provided that shows Stig talking about recruiting...especially since it was recorded only days earlier than the remarks in Yankton.

If you look at most MVFC schools (NDSU being the exception) anywhere around a handful reported verbals is normal right now. We have four verbals (three reported) and two of them look to be really solid. Like Grizzled said, if Stig and staff lock down another 5-6 kids that end up being solid players 3-4 years down the road, this would be a good class.

Fact of the matter is, the Bison are always going to have more highly touted recruiting classes than SDSU. You recruit from more major metro areas, recruit kids that are more high profile, and it looks like now recruit kids earlier allowing hype to build. Even in the years that many here have criticized Bohl for poor classes, his recruiting classes were more highly regarded than what SDSU brought in that year. It's been that way the past 5 years and I don't think it's going to change. Obviously the results on the field the past few years show that one method isn't necessarily better than the other.

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I wouldn't have said a thing if it wasn't coming from Jackmd, I remember he posted a lot of secondhand info about basketball recruiting and it was spot on. I doubt Stig is ever going to go on gojacks.com and air his recruiting concerns, that just isn't the right platform.

I don't really care about other MVFC schools, most of the them are far enough away where what we do and who we recruit doesn't really affect them. But when we are pulling MN, SD, and Nebraska kids it is going right into Stig's recruiting wheelhouse.

I won't say Stig can't pull out a recruiting blitz, but I have heard the region is down and we had a ton of early verbals. You can say our class are always more hyped, but this class is built a bit differently. No class ever had this many early verbals and this class is a bit more regional.

As for talking about SDSU's recruiting, we have 23 verbals, I think we can look around and see how it is going for everyone else at this point.

[QUOTE=NDSUstudent;344441] we have 23 verbals, I think we can look around and see how it is going for everyone else at this point.[/QUOTE]

What else do we have to do? It is like we have opened all our Christmas gifts and it is only Thanksgiving.:smh: :smh: :smh: ;) ;)

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

I wouldn't have said a thing if it wasn't coming from Jackmd, I remember he posted a lot of secondhand info about basketball recruiting and it was spot on. I doubt Stig is ever going to go on gojacks.com and air his recruiting concerns, that just isn't the right platform. I would agree about not airing his concerns on Jackrabbit Insider, but I don't know if airing them at what amounts to a booster luncheon three days after the insider was recorded is very likely either. That is the only reason I questioned whether his comments were perceived correctly. JackMD's reputation and insight was never really a concern, he is usually spot on like you said.

I don't really care about other MVFC schools, most of the them are far enough away where what we do and who we recruit doesn't really affect them. But when we are pulling MN, SD, and Nebraska kids it is going right into Stig's recruiting wheelhouse.

I won't say Stig can't pull out a recruiting blitz, but I have heard the region is down and we had a ton of early verbals. You can say our class are always more hyped, but this class is built a bit differently. No class ever had this many early verbals and this class is a bit more regional. I would completely agree here. This would be what scares me (as an opposing fan) about NDSU's class more than anything else. It is very regional, made up of what seems to be talented, high character, and strong academic kids. It's different than Bohl's classes from the past. And SDSU's coaches have stated publically that the region is down a little this year...and that's why they are expanding their base a bit.

As for talking about SDSU's recruiting, we have 23 verbals, I think we can look around and see how it is going for everyone else at this point.

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I added my comments above...I agree completely with most of what you said.

I have one final comment. As for overall recruiting, most will agree that NDSU will likely pull in a higher percentage of recruits every year that are highly touted for the FCS level compared to SDSU. How those recruits turn out can always vary and sometimes the better recruits end up contributing less than recruits with average capability.
I think SDSU had a couple years where their average recruits turned out better than expected and the TEAM played well together.
Minimal defections and injuries along with a beneficial home schedule really helped the Jacks this past year. So after the Montana debacle, how will SDSU respond? Are there enough questions about who will step up for lost personel and was some of the TEAM chemistry lost?
At this point I find it hard to believe that SDSU will replace NDSU as the dominant football program in the Dakotas long term. Obviously the Jack fans think they have arrived and will stay there. I highly doubt that will be the case. In summary, for the past couple years SDSU had everything come together and NDSU had everything fall apart. Just the appearance that NDSU has done well with recruiting after a 3-8 season, compared to what seems like a struggle for a SDSU team that made the playoffs shows NDSU is still king.