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My und bro in law wouldn't take und +10 last night. Wuss
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In the Olive Garden parking lot with that old lady who reviews restaurants as the guest picker.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
At the Hockey Arena with the Hockey Coach as the guest picker... because Hockey!Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
Free salad and breadsticks?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonmike2
Actually, that probably what they would end up doing .... because like you said, hockey. hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
Why doesn't some reporter like Dom or Jeff do a story about why we quit playing each other. Hint: start by getting Roger Thomas to go on the record.
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8. Use ESPN exposure to recruit better hockey players.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
9. Wait for hockey to start do you can ignore the other sports prigrams.
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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison
Schlossman put out an article in July. Pretty fair on the issue. It was certainly UND who stopped the rivalry, and the truth was that whether NDSU wanted to stick it to UND or not; the Bison had already established themselves (without the help of UND filling schedules early on), NDSU didn't need to put UND on their schedule. UND may be pushing for the rivlary now, but our school can only blame ourselves for ever stopping it in the first place (Not to mention being dumb enough to not transition to D1 at the same time as NDSU).
I'm glad it is back, this year, but alot would have to change for this to ever be a annual game; starting with UND improving the program.
http://www.inforum.com/sports/bison/...ssing-era-over
Since the schools left the North Central Conference and NCAA Division II to move up to Division I -- NDSU first in 2004 and UND four years later -- both schools have taken turns dangling carrots in front of each other, taunting each other and thinking they are one-upping their biggest rival when they were only hurting themselves.
First, it was UND’s turn.
After then-UND President Charles Kupchella didn’t have the foresight to go to Division I along with NDSU, the UND athletic department opted against scheduling the Bison in all sports.
UND said playing the Bison in football could have hurt its chances to make the Division II playoffs and host a game. While that part was true, the fact that UND wouldn’t schedule the Bison in any other sport signaled a different story: UND wanted to stick it to its rival, which was having trouble filling out quality schedules as an independent in Division I.
Once UND reached Division I, North Dakota State did the same to UND, refusing to schedule its rival out of spite.
Honestly if we wanted a good chant, forget anything Sioux related, just "Sun-dogs, sun-dogs" would be much funnier....
What a load of BS. How has NDSU hurt themselves by not scheduling UND? Why is doing what's best for the school considered "spite"? The fact is this game doesn't bring anything to NDSU that any other non-conference would. What it does is give some legitimacy to UND, which can have a direct and negative impact on recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
That's good...but...we need incorporate Rough Riders. That way we can steer them towards voting for Sundogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMB
On second thought, it probably doesn't matter, either nickname will make for decades of fun.
Yes! On the revenue side, a sold-out Fargo Dome is a sold-out Fargo Dome. The Dome does not magically get more seats when und comes to town.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonp
Interesting piece of writing from Tuesday's Forum: "But if you're like the many who didn't, just head online, grab your credit card and pay $1000. That's what some prime seats are going for on StubHub, because these game tickets sold out at nearly record speed over a month ago."
Hey, Forum! Listen up! Tickets for ALL of the NDSU games sold out in about an hour back in August. And, guess what??? They also sold out in the same time back in 2014, and 2013, and . . . . . The presence of the und game did NOTHING to speed up the time in which the tickets were sold.
Well, I didn't write the article, but back during the transition I believe it was hard for a new independent school to fill out the schedule, and I think it was a huge mistake for UND to not keep that game on the schedule. Talking to friends who are Bison fans, they are always quick to point out UND ended the rivalry (and they are right) when NDSU went D1, and at the time NDSU could have used the game on the schedule. Heck we scheduled UNI, why not NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonp
As for the "spite" factor, I don't buy it. I just don't think there was anything for NDSU to gain at the time. I have hear there was quite a bit of animosity between the ADs, but I maintain that it had more to do with the fact that NDSU just didn't need us.
You nailed this; this is delusion I can't figure out with your fan base. They some how think that they are entitled to this game in GF, when NDSU has nothing to gain from annual home and home contracts. When you point that out, you are immediately labelled as an idiot, stupid, dumb, a troll, or whatever. Why are they playing? Because this benefited NDSU in getting to 6 home games in 2015 and 2019 for very cheap. Unless your community college can provide that type of value again, it just is not happening. Your community college would be wiser, in my mind, to try to find a way to crack into Summit/MVFC. That is the only way to get home and homes, and stabilizing the Summit is a good thing for NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
The only legitimate argument I have heard against this, is there was really no benefit to NDSU scheduling a home and home with Weber St either. Other than that, we need to get some winning under our belt before this rivalry is worth making annual. Or NDSU would have to go on a steady decline, but I don't see that happening anytime in the forseeable future. 4 consecutive championships tends to put a bit of stability in a program.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
I think the most likely (only?) possibility for an annual game is with the programs in the same conference. IMO, that probably won't be UND in the MVFC either. More likely both programs in a conference composed of former MVFC and Big Sky programs. Potentially in a different Big Sky conference as I really don't see much of the MVFC programs in a position to step up their football programs.Quote:
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Originally Posted by siouxfan512
and that was my argument. Thank You Sioux man
Agreed. This is absolutely not NDSU's fault. It's Roger Thomas, Charles Kupchella, Thomas Clifford, Roger Thomas, and der Reichsmarschall himself, Ralph Engelstad. They all screwed up. The name, the reclassification, the conference affiliation, all of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
UND should have changed their name a long time ago.
UND should have gone Division I right away.
UND should have been in the same conference with all the other Dakota schools.
If all that had happened, this would still be a yearly game. I agree that it's not presently in the best interest for NDSU to schedule a yearly game with UND OOC.
Hope UND loves the Big Sky. Maybe they can get a rivalry going with Northern Colorado? They don't have an instate rival either.
Probably the most realistic way it would become annual.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
NDSU
SDSU
UND
USD
Maybe the MT schools?
I don't know who else?
Probably wouldn't happen for quite some time anyway.
That's because most schools and definitely most FCS schools won't schedule contracts for two away games, much less for the price UND is getting. UND was desperate, more desperate than other programs like Weber. NDSU just took advantage of that.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
You pretty much nailed everything there.
We don't compete with Weber for recruits.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
UND should have joined the MVFC/Summit. They were just too damn arrogant to pass up the Big Sky and it has cost them dearly.
Edit: geez, I post too slow evidently, didn't mean to essentially repeat what B4L said.
From what I've read, the home & home with Weber was a little favor owed to Weber State, who did a home & home with NDSU back in '04 and '05, when the Bison were struggling to find opponents. I don't know if that's true or not, though...Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
Didn't someone predict Green Meadowlarks? I like it.
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The Weber St series worked because of the 12 game season we went there. It still allowed us to play six home games each season. It also, JMO, was probably a last choice decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
Look at FCOA. I think many of those basketball teams in the MVC will go Pioneer before they'll go full funding. Same with the bottom half of the BSC.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Get rid of the Dayton rule, let those schools go DII or DIII in football and be done with it. We don't even have to wait for the P5/G5 split.
But it is not legit argument. See recruiting comments, see 12 game schedule comment. Community college fans just want to think it is a legit argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
They did a home and home with us during the transition. As did several Southland schools (Northwest State, SFA, SHSU, and one other one.)Quote:
Originally Posted by bri-dog
You're right, I should have said most legitimate argument. To your point, recruiting implications, etc. There was also a comment about a supposed favor owed to Weber, would could make some sense too. I meant the argument was valid, only in terms of the caliber of program, and it being a home and home, but clearly there are other factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Weber State isn't a bunch of arrogant entitled jerks for fans, your fans base is. Weber has never threatened to go to the ND legislature and force NDSU to play them, your fans have/will. I could go on but what is the point? The UND fan base will continue to try and give NDSU as much bad rep as they can, while screaming about how significant their program is. IMO, UND is using NDSU to try and elevate their program, it is the pioux way. Your fan base feels entitled to an annual home/home contract with NDSU, I do not. NDSU has achieved something very few programs, in the history of football, ever have, without any cooperation from El'Forko. That's the way I like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
Nickels State.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
I don't totally disagree with you. Of course playing NDSU would help UND. Playing strong competition is always good for a program, especially within the regions. I completely disagree with the way UND handled the ending of the rivalry. Had it not been for that, maybe this would be an annual game. Who knows? It doesn't really matter at this point. Yep, your program has been simply phenomenal with 4 consecutive championships (should be 5, I still call BS on the E Wash game; blown call cost you guys the game).Quote:
Originally Posted by KilldeerBison
As for the arrogant fan base? Sure, we have some of "those" fans. So does NDSU, and the U of M, and SDSU, and every other collegiate fan base out there. Unfortunately, there are arrogant jerks everywhere.
Also, lets not kid ourselves. Schools don't generally schedule, or not schedule, teams based on the opposing fan base. If that were the case there would be no rivalry games anywhere. Or this particular rivalry would have ended long before it did.Quote:
Originally Posted by KilldeerBison
Most rivalries are conference games. That is where your leadership really hurt you. Until they figure that out, your entitled fan base can keep dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
It was those arrogant fans on the local talk radio programs, blasting NDSU coaches and administration. UND brings a real carnival atmosphere wherever they go, loud mouths barking, trying to make themselves relevant by whoiux can scream the loudest. Then you get guys like Big Eddie and Joel H stirring the UND fan pot, the result was/is nothing but a steaming pile of crap for NDSU. Personally, I don't want any.Quote:
Originally Posted by siouxfan512
Agree only would add as -a. to your first bullet, get the tribes on board to support it no matter what came up in the future (easier said than done) and they could have did what FSU did with Seminole tribe, obviously on a smaller scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
Started reading BI from this month, interesting comment from Dale Lennon in his interview but think most here already knew that was how he felt about it, likely a reason (of many probably) why he ended up at SIU rather than staying at UN_. Unless the footprint for Big Sky drastically changes in the shakeup of P5/G5 FBS schools UN_ is in a less than optimal spot geographically for Big Sky, if Big Sky does fulfill it's wet dream and move up to FBS level than probably wouldn't matter as much, just want to say though I don't think that will happen with the current group they have until the P5 break free from G5.
Agreed, it was discussed earlier. This will not be an annual rivalry unless we are in the same conference OR unless UND was a competitive contender on a annual basis. That could make it worth doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
As has been said numerous times, there is nothing for NDSU to gain by playing UND every year, particularly with where the program is currently. UND gets better, NDSU gets worse (not likely), a move to the same conference are really the only ways this becomes consistently annual.
Its a nice thought for a casual fan, a fun perspective, or a nostalgic fans perspective; but that doesn't mean it would make sense from a school/program/business perspective.
I'm on board of the side where I think they should play every year. It's great for the state in my honest opinion. I bet it's close to 99% of the people of this great state want it to continue. Let em play. Bison 41 UN_ 10
I'm with ya, I know I'd love to see it. I just understand why it doesn't happen, or at least why it hasn't happened yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotShot