2021 Verbal: Cole Payton

[bruinbison]

Cole Payton - 6’ 2” 205 - QB - Omaha (Westside)
Lefty QB also had offers from SDSU, Illinois State, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, Dartmouth



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Cole Payton
@ColePayton9
·
6h

After an offer from NDSU, I’m excited to announce my commitment!! #21Bison


https://www.hudl.com/profile/9661471/Cole-Payton

[WeAreThePride]

Cole Payton - 6’ 2” 205 - QB - Omaha (Westside)
Lefty QB also had offers from SDSU, Illinois State, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, Dartmouth

Dartmouth is a good sign. I like my QBs smart.

[bruinbison]

Welcome to Cole Payton!

Interesting comment here from the Lincoln Journal Star sports guy:



Ron Powell
@ronpowell_ljs

The Westside junior and top returning quarterback in the state next season commits to the defending FCS national champions.


Interesting as in Nebraska just offered Heinrich Haarberg, Kearney Catholic’s QB

Good year for QB’s in the Cornhusker state!
TJ Urban - Millard South’s QB - also has multiple offers - Air Force, SDSU, Illinois State, Western Illinois, Fighting Hawks


Ron Powell’s article on Cole Payton commit to NDSU:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/journalstar.com/sports/high-school/football/states-top-returning-high-school-qb-payton-commits-to-north-dakota-state/article_88b309a8-ca0b-522f-b557-b56969da132d.amp.html



Payton, a 6-foot-3, 210-pound left-hander, is the top returning high school quarterback in the state this coming fall. He led Westside to the Class A state championship game a year ago by rushing for 872 yards and 15 touchdowns and completing 60 percent of his passes for 1,986 yards and 24 TDs.

[23Bison]

Welcome Cole Payton. His tape does have an Easton Stick look to it, just backwards is all. Go Bison

[Mr Meaty]

Welcome Cole Payton. His tape does have an Easton Stick look to it, just backwards is all. Go Bison

More like a mirror image. :hide:

[El_Chapo]

who's the last NDSU lefty QB?

[23Bison]

More like a mirror image. :hide:

Haha, there you go.

[123Gobison]

who's the last NDSU lefty QB?

He switched to LB during his Sr year and intercepted a pass from that Indiana State QB on the last play of the Championship game.

[BisManBison]

who's the last NDSU lefty QB?

Esley Thorton.

[southcliffbison]

He switched to LB during his Sr year and intercepted a pass from that Indiana State QB on the last play of the Championship game.

Actually, it was Illinois State, but continue

[El_Chapo]

Esley Thorton.

never took a snap though i thought. next?

[NDSUBowler]

never took a snap though i thought. next?

6/10 passing in 2011.

Next?

[El_Chapo]

6/10 passing in 2011.

Next?

LOL 1 game?

so besides Esley any other NDSU leftys?

[Twincitybizon]

You'd think a lack of Lefty QBs would have more to do with elite prospects going to chase the money playing baseball than not being able to play the position.

[Loud and Proud Bison fan]

Welcome to QB U Cole. Hopefully we can get you drafted some day too :welcome:

[NDSUBowler]

LOL 1 game?

so besides Esley any other NDSU leftys?

Multiple, but that isn't the point.

You said no snaps, you were wrong. Don't move the goalpost.

[bisonforever]

Gary Barta was a lefty!

[blackdiamond2]

A couple of interesting nuggets as he committed on the spot once the offer was made.

He was getting interest from a couple of D1s for being a possible linebacker prospect as he must be a very good athlete but he committed to NDSU because he wanted to play QB.

We had an offer out to a teammate Cade Haberman - who selected Northern Illinois a couple weeks ago.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/9248746/Heinrich-Haarberg - this one of the other QBs in Nebraska who just got an offer from Huskers. Fun to compare the two.

[bison_by_blood]

A couple of interesting nuggets as he committed on the spot once the offer was made.

He was getting interest from a couple of D1s for being a possible linebacker prospect as he must be a very good athlete but he committed to NDSU because he wanted to play QB.

We had an offer out to a teammate Cade Haberman - who selected Northern Illinois a couple weeks ago.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/9248746/Heinrich-Haarberg - this one of the other QBs in Nebraska who just got an offer from Huskers. Fun to compare the two.

I appreciate that he wants to play QB and we will give him the chance. But if/when he gets beat out, he’s gonna be a helluva linebacker. To my scouting eye, his arm talent is mediocre but his athleticism is top notch.

[BisManBison]

LOL 1 game?

so besides Esley any other NDSU leftys?

He got into the 2011 Championship Game for a snap or two after Brock got his bell rung on a play. Brock either came back in after one play or for the next series, I don't recall exactly when. And recall Esley moved from the QB position not because he couldn't play it or wouldn't have been successful, he just had the misfortune of having a No. 2 overall draft choice a year behind him and would have continued to be the No. 2 QB. He just wanted to play and we were better as a team because of it. I wonder if he has a shot at the NFL as a linebacker if he comes in as a LB from day 1?

[BisManBison]

A couple of interesting nuggets as he committed on the spot once the offer was made.

He was getting interest from a couple of D1s for being a possible linebacker prospect as he must be a very good athlete but he committed to NDSU because he wanted to play QB.

We had an offer out to a teammate Cade Haberman - who selected Northern Illinois a couple weeks ago.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/9248746/Heinrich-Haarberg - this one of the other QBs in Nebraska who just got an offer from Huskers. Fun to compare the two.

Where have we seen this before? How has that worked out for us in the past? :biggrin:

[blackdiamond2]

https://www.omaha.com/sports/high-school/recruiting/westside-qb-cole-payton-sees-path-to-championships-with-commitment-to-north-dakota-state/article_3dc086f9-501a-5a44-8dd2-ad1f34e7ce0d.html#1

"With his athleticism and ability to run, he had some interest from FBS schools as a linebacker.

“I’m a quarterback,” he said, “and NDSU believes in me as a quarterback.”

Payton is the third Westside player in the 2021 class to commit to a Division I school, following Avante Dickerson (Minnesota) and Cade Haberman (Northern Illinois)."

[bruinbison]

QB Cole Payton had a workout day with an all-world TE recruit, Thomas Fidone (Council Bluffs IA Lewis Central)



Sean Bock
@SBock247
·
20h

Here at @Warren_Academy in Omaha to see Thomas Fidone, @247Sports’ top tight end in the country in the class of 2021.

Profile: https://247sports.com/Player/Thomas-Fidone-46086515/





Sean Bock
@SBock247

I should also mention that Omaha Westside QB and North Dakota State commit @ColePayton9 is a dog.

One of the most underrated QB's in the 2021 class nationally. Every throw he made today during the workout was clean.

Profile: https://247sports.com/Player/Cole-Payton-46100074/




Thomas Fidone II ²⁴
@ThomasFidone
·
10h

Don’t watch me... watch the quarterback... the kid is special!
@ColePayton9


https://247sports.com/college/iowa/Article/Thomas-Fidone-247Sports-Workout-Highlights-Nebraska-Cornhuskers-LSU-Tigers-Michigan-Wolverines--149475222/Amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[SDbison]

Cole looks to be the next great Bison QB. Wow, he puts the ball right where it needs to be every time. Wish NDSU had a chance to get the TE in the video (maybe since he appreciated Cole's throws so much he will follow Cole......wishful thinking). 6'5", good frame at 225 lbs and great hands. NDSU needs some incoming 6'5" or 6'6" TE's. Amazed how many recent TE recruits are only 6'3" and 6'4". Entz and Roehl must be more focused on blocking. Our 6'6" TE's right now are awesome, but they are both juniors (Gindorff and Babicz)!

[EC8CH]

https://omaha.com/sports/high-school/recruiting/creighton-prep-grad-easton-stick-welcomes-westsides-cole-payton-to-the-bison-family/article_112f80c5-d12d-5c07-bead-8000b09c1664.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Really great article about Payton and Stick.

Crazy how similar they look, they could be brothers.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/2b/d2b0513d-ce80-5f31-b3ff-41b9dc55908e/5f19fd4e28d37.image.jpg

[WeAreThePride]

https://omaha.com/sports/high-school/recruiting/creighton-prep-grad-easton-stick-welcomes-westsides-cole-payton-to-the-bison-family/article_112f80c5-d12d-5c07-bead-8000b09c1664.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Really great article about Payton and Stick.

Crazy how similar they look, they could be brothers.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/2b/d2b0513d-ce80-5f31-b3ff-41b9dc55908e/5f19fd4e28d37.image.jpg

Easton is more jacked than I thought.

[runtheoption]

Easton is more jacked than I thought.

I agree. I think we lose perspective on the size of a lot of college and NFL QB's because we always see them around the monsters on their teams. Stand them next to Average Joe, and we see it more clearly.

[heffray]

I agree. I think we lose perspective on the size of a lot of college and NFL QB's because we always see them around the monsters on their teams. Stand them next to Average Joe, and we see it more clearly.

Thought the same thing when I met him at Costco a while back. Absolutely jacked and you’d ever know it otherwise.

[WeAreThePride]

I'm not sure what it is. Our guys always seem to look smaller than they are. Lance looks 5' 10" and 185, rather than his true 6' 3" and 225 or so. Our tackles never look like their true 300+ pound frames.

Maybe I should start wearing green and gold consistently, to look a little slimmer.

[HerdBot]

https://omaha.com/sports/high-school/recruiting/creighton-prep-grad-easton-stick-welcomes-westsides-cole-payton-to-the-bison-family/article_112f80c5-d12d-5c07-bead-8000b09c1664.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Really great article about Payton and Stick.

Crazy how similar they look, they could be brothers.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/2b/d2b0513d-ce80-5f31-b3ff-41b9dc55908e/5f19fd4e28d37.image.jpg

That's great press in an important market. Basically saying NDSU could have 3 straight NFL QBs.

[El_Chapo]

Cole wins 45-0 last i checked

great scramble for a TD here

https://twitter.com/MikeSautterOWH/status/1299154164216455168?s=20

[WeAreThePride]

Cole wins 45-0 last i checked

great scramble for a TD here

https://twitter.com/MikeSautterOWH/status/1299154164216455168?s=20

Love the full horizontal extension.

[bruinbison]

Interesting article by 247’s Mike Schaefer (Nebraska)
after being at the Omaha Westside - Creighton Prep game.

https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/Several-recruits-stood-out-in-Westsides-win-over-Creighton-Prep-150780734/#150780734_1

It was/is a very good year for high school QB’s in Nebraska.
The Cornhuskers already have a QB commit in
3 star (247) Heinrich Haarberg - Kearney NE (Catholic)

[bruinbison]

QB Cole Payton had a workout day with an all-world TE recruit, Thomas Fidone (Council Bluffs IA Lewis Central)


https://247sports.com/college/iowa/Article/Thomas-Fidone-247Sports-Workout-Highlights-Nebraska-Cornhuskers-LSU-Tigers-Michigan-Wolverines--149475222/Amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Thomas Fidone did commit to Nebraska recently.
Cornhuskers with 16 commits currently.

[SDbison]

Interesting article by 247’s Mike Schaefer (Nebraska)
after being at the Omaha Westside - Creighton Prep game.

https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/Several-recruits-stood-out-in-Westsides-win-over-Creighton-Prep-150780734/#150780734_1

It was/is a very good year for high school QB’s in Nebraska.
The Cornhuskers already have a QB commit in
3 star (247) Heinrich Haarberg - Kearney NE (Catholic) Let the cherry picking begin. With all the attention NDSU is getting lots of P5 teams will be looking to steal our recruits away. Total BS, but doubt Cole would give up QB to play LB. Looks like Nebraska is just as bad at evaluating in state talent as Minnesota (wanted Trey to play DB). Excerpt from above 247 article:
Nebraska is very interested in Payton — but where would the Huskers recruit this jumbo athlete, that looks every bit like a Tim Tebow (https://247sports.com/Player/Tim-Tebow-24970) for Westside? The initial thought is linebacker. At 6-foot-3, 220 pounds, Payton is tough as hell. He seeks contact. He seeks action. The Bison got a hell of a player and one 247Sports should reevaluate at some point.

[tony]

He threw for a TD, rushed for a TD, and caught a pass for a TD in that 42-0 win.

Couldn't find a box score but I doubt he completed more than 5 passes.

[El_Chapo]

He threw for a TD, rushed for a TD, and caught a pass for a TD in that 42-0 win.

Couldn't find a box score but I doubt he completed more than 5 passes.

Yea Easton Stick & Christian Dudzik aren't walking thru those doors at Creighton Prep.... they got crushed.

[southcliffbison]

Yea Easton Stick & Christian Dudzik aren't walking thru those doors at Creighton Prep.... they got crushed.


It must be that their recruiting has fallen off. If these private schools don't tap into the public school's talent pool, this is what happens.

[bruinbison]

Creighton Prep’s AJ Rollins - 6’ 6” 220 - TE/DL - 2021
just committed to Nebraska.

Teammate Alex Bullock - 6’ 2” 180 - WR/DB/ATH
Has a SDSU offer, others are paying attention.

But Omaha Westside has several FBS recruits, in addition to the FCS commit QB - including the top-ranked prospect in Nebraska for 2021 - Avante Dickerson (CB/WR 5’ 11” 165, Minnesota Gopher commit)

Another Westside player - Koby Bretz (6’ 2” 185 - DB)
also just committed to Nebraska. Klieman & Co were in good shape recruiting Bretz for awhile, but he waited to see if the Cornhuskers would offer, they finally did and byebye KState.

[tony]

Cole's team is 5-0 and he had a stellar game this week.

Dom Izzo has all the recruit results: https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone/6680470-NDSUs-2021-recruiting-class-How-they-fared-this-weekend#.X3B2T61j6Gc.twitter

[El_Chapo]

Halftime Omaha Westside 27, Millard North 7. Cole Payton 2TD passes, 1TD run. @YurViewOM

[tony]

Cole Payton's team crushed the #1 team in Kansas 5A: https://omaha.com/sports/high-school/pospisil-no-1-omaha-westside-dominates-over-no-1-team-in-kansas-class-5-a/article_07848680-cc1d-5801-a8bd-3e8edb4dae2f.html

Cole only passed ten times but scored 3 times in the first quarter: two long TD runs (59 and 60) and a TD pass.

[NEBison]

My neighbor when we first moved to Omaha is an assistant baseball coach for Westside. Said Cole is as good of a kid as he's ever coached. Also a heck of a baseball player.

[westnodak93bison]

My neighbor when we first moved to Omaha is an assistant baseball coach for Westside. Said Cole is as good of a kid as he's ever coached. Also a heck of a baseball player.Great to hear! #charactermatters

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

[NovaBison]

Wow...

https://twitter.com/BigRedWrapUp/status/1329975500081664003

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1329982502526660609

[bruinbison]

Wow...

https://twitter.com/BigRedWrapUp/status/1329975500081664003

https://twitter.com/swmckewonOWH/status/1329982502526660609

And this one!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/1329981127793242114

[bruinbison]

Game summary & highlights - Omaha Westside State Champs!

https://www.3newsnow.com/sports/omaha-westside-wins-first-state-football-championship-in-38-years



Omaha Westside used a strong 2nd half to win its first state football title in 38 years with a 37-21 victory over Elkhorn South on Friday for the Class A championship.

[bruinbison]

(Nebraska Cornhuskers beat writer for Omaha.com) -



Sam McKewon
@swmckewonOWH.
10h

Not too late for Nebraska to offer Westside No. 9 for ATH.

8:19 PM · Nov 20, 2020



(247 Cornhuskers writer) -



Mike Schaefer
@mikejschaefer

Carson Wentz, Easton Stick, Trey Lance...Cole Payton?

You don't have to squint to see it.

8:58 PM · Nov 20, 2020·

[bruinbison]

More twitter fun......:)



Bison Report
@BisonReport
Nebraska has had one QB drafted (in round 6) since 1992.

Trey Lance will be #NDSU’s 3rd consecutive starting QB selected before round six.



Tyson Gordon
@TysonGordon18

Nah, He’s good with us (horns up)

@ColePayton9 @NDSUfootball



Sam McKewon
@swmckewonOWH
· 11H

Not too late for Nebraska to offer Westside No. 9 for ATH.





Tyson Gordon is a Bison FR DB (also a QB in high school iirc)
from Omaha Skutt Catholic HS.

[Professor Chaos]

To Sam McKewon:

https://media.giphy.com/media/gGlkgFagsahSU/giphy.gif

[HerdBot]

(Nebraska Cornhuskers beat writer for Omaha.com) -




(247 Cornhuskers writer) -

The highest drafted Nebraska QB in modern era was round 6. Never made the roster

Then you have to go back to 1992 where they had a 12th round pick

You really need to go back like 40+ years

Bison will have 3 straight NFL QBs and 2 1st round picks

Coles style fits the offense like a glove

He already turned down Iowa State

[56BISON73]

The highest drafted Nebraska QB in modern era was round 6. Never made the roster

Then you have to go back to 1992 where they had a 12th round pick

You really need to go back like 40+ years

Bison will have 3 straight NFL QBs and 2 1st round picks

????????????????????

[ZHerd]

(Nebraska Cornhuskers beat writer for Omaha.com) -




(247 Cornhuskers writer) -

Except NDSU is more likely to develop great qbs than Nebraska. If the Husker qbs were at NDSU they would better qbs than they are

[Herd]

Except NDSU is more likely to develop great qbs than Nebraska. If the Husker qbs were at NDSU they would better qbs than they are

Yes, some people fail to recognize that great QB are not signed, they are developed. Gopher fans are the primary group that fail to recognize this.

[El_Chapo]

Yes, some people fail to recognize that great QB are not signed, they are developed. Gopher fans are the primary group that fail to recognize this.

disagree. the talent of wentz, stick ,lance were off the charts.. and hopefully payton too

[TAILG8R]

disagree. the talent of wentz, stick ,lance were off the charts.. and hopefully payton too

So coming our of high school they were simply better than almost every other QB out there and NDSU simply kept them warm until draft day?

[El_Chapo]

So coming our of high school they were simply better than almost every other QB out there and NDSU simply kept them warm until draft day?

yea but we can discuss this somewhere else. not on this kids verbal thread
i wish this kid the best of luck and hope he turns down the Nebraska PWO thats forthcoming

[Herd]

disagree. the talent of wentz, stick ,lance were off the charts.. and hopefully payton too

Certain programs destroy QB . . . they don’t develop them and they don’t improve them. Part of that is style of offenses, and part of that is the mindset that we are not developmental, come in ready to compete.

NE historically is terrible on QBs, gets them injured, destroys their confidence. MN isn’t great, better than they used to be.

[ZHerd]

disagree. the talent of wentz, stick ,lance were off the charts.. and hopefully payton too

Right...espn 100 guys. B10 sure wasn’t clamoring after them. Talents yes but overlooked and not better than what many p5s sign. NDSU definitely has been doing a phenomenal job turning out qbs.

[HerdBot]

My only concern about Cole is the fact he is a lefty. Little details can really change up an offense. Things are sometimes reversed. Your RT is now the blindside. Your handoffs are slightly different. Your rollouts can go to the opposite direction.

Of course you have guys like Steve Young and Michael Vick were lefties

[NDSU92]

My only concern about Cole is the fact he is a lefty. Little details can really change up an offense. Things are sometimes reversed. Your RT is now the blindside. Your handoffs are slightly different. Your rollouts can go to the opposite direction.

Of course you have guys like Steve Young and Michael Vick were lefties

Valid points. I would/will be more concerned if there’s a change in-season (injury). When they have all spring and fall camps then I really won’t worry about it.

[Professor Chaos]

My only concern about Cole is the fact he is a lefty. Little details can really change up an offense. Things are sometimes reversed. Your RT is now the blindside. Your handoffs are slightly different. Your rollouts can go to the opposite direction.

Of course you have guys like Steve Young and Michael Vick were lefties
It can be tough on the defenses too. Usually defenses like to make QBs scramble in the direction of their off arm since it's tougher for them to throw accurately going in that direction so they'd have to adapt to a lefty. They also may have to switch their DEs if they match up their stronger pass rushing DE with the weaker pass blocking OT (would be a LDE vs RT with a righty QB or RDE vs LT with a lefty QB). I don't think it's a big deal but I've even heard that it's a bit different catching the ball from a lefty QB since the ball spins clockwise coming at you instead of counterclockwise like a righty's throw would... something that might negate a potential INT for a defender that isn't used to it.

[tony]

It can be tough on the defenses too. Usually defenses like to make QBs scramble in the direction of their off arm since it's tougher for them to throw accurately going in that direction so they'd have to adapt to a lefty. They also may have to switch their DEs if they match up their stronger pass rushing DE with the weaker pass blocking OT (would be a LDE vs RT with a righty QB or RDE vs LT with a lefty QB). I don't think it's a big deal but I've even heard that it's a bit different catching the ball from a lefty QB since the ball spins clockwise coming at you instead of counterclockwise like a righty's throw would... something that might negate a potential INT for a defender that isn't used to it.

Exactly. Saw a highlight this weekend where a QB (Tua T.) was rolling out and suddenly made a pass that a right-hander couldn't make. It seemed to surprise an NFL defense.

But, really, I suspect that Cole Payton has only been playing left-handed because he was bored beating teams by 30 points every game. I suspect that he's going to pull a Princess Bride deal in a game.

[southcliffbison]

Has anyone ever watched an ambidextrous qb? ……...never heard of one...….. Wouldn't that be a hoot !! I've umpired baseball where a player played outfield right handed and pitched left handed. In this wide world of football, there has to be at least one.....

[stevdock]

Has anyone ever watched an ambidextrous qb? ……...never heard of one...….. Wouldn't that be a hoot !! I've umpired baseball where a player played outfield right handed and pitched left handed. In this wide world of football, there has to be at least one.....

Back a long time ago I had a pitcher who was ambidextrous. That was kind of fun. He just had to declare before each batter which side he was going to throw from. Baseball there can be an advantage to doing that. Football I don't know how much of an advantage there would be. The ball is going to be different to catch from each side so it would be tough on the receivers. It would be tough for his line also. So I would think in football the coach would make the QB choose and then stay with it as I can only see disadvantages for the team by letting the QB stay ambidextrous.

[heffray]

Exactly. Saw a highlight this weekend where a QB (Tua T.) was rolling out and suddenly made a pass that a right-hander couldn't make. It seemed to surprise an NFL defense.

But, really, I suspect that Cole Payton has only been playing left-handed because he was bored beating teams by 30 points every game. I suspect that he's going to pull a Princess Bride deal in a game.

Thanks for adding the "T." to that name, I don't think I would have known who you were referring to without it... ;)

[1998braves64]

Mahomes has made a couple "ugly" left handed throws hasn't he? Guess wouldn't call him ambidextrous being they were pretty ugly looking throws if I remember right?

Didn't Carson throw a few warm up throws left handed back when he had the broken wrist?

[HerdBot]

It can be tough on the defenses too. Usually defenses like to make QBs scramble in the direction of their off arm since it's tougher for them to throw accurately going in that direction so they'd have to adapt to a lefty. They also may have to switch their DEs if they match up their stronger pass rushing DE with the weaker pass blocking OT (would be a LDE vs RT with a righty QB or RDE vs LT with a lefty QB). I don't think it's a big deal but I've even heard that it's a bit different catching the ball from a lefty QB since the ball spins clockwise coming at you instead of counterclockwise like a righty's throw would... something that might negate a potential INT for a defender that isn't used to it.

Our offense is already tough to prepare for by college standards. Throw in a left handed QB and good luck prepping in the playoffs with 6 days notice

[tony]

https://twitter.com/BisonReport/status/1336341252493561859

^ BisonReport interview with Cole Payton.

Mild spoiler: Saturday after Cole's championship game, a P5 head coach got in contact with Cole's HS coach trying to set up a call. Which coach may surprise you!

It's a short interview and I'll clickbait you further if you do not listen to it.

[EC8CH]

https://twitter.com/BisonReport/status/1336341252493561859

^ BisonReport interview with Cole Payton.

Mild spoiler: Saturday after Cole's championship game, a P5 head coach got in contact with Cole's HS coach trying to set up a call. Which coach may surprise you!

It's a short interview and I'll clickbait you further if you do not listen to it.

I'll guess a coach for a team who's last three quarterbacks DIDN'T get drafted into the NFL.

[bri-dog]

Got his haircut and his vertical is up to 36.5"..

https://twitter.com/WHS_WarriorFB/status/1336705016204234752

[23Bison]

With him supposedly saying no thanks in regards to talking with Iowa St and Nebraska, are we starting to see a different attitude with QB recruits with our track record for NFL talent?

[bajadanny]

With him supposedly saying no thanks in regards to talking with Iowa St and Nebraska, are we starting to see a different attitude with QB recruits with our track record for NFL talent?

Hedberg has another great one one coming in, why wouldn’t a talented QB want to play for NDSU, this guy is Stick clone only better

[23Bison]

I agree and that’s what I’m asking. Is the coaching starting to show for that position?

[tony]

I agree and that’s what I’m asking. Is the coaching starting to show for that position?

Maybe, but like Trey Lance, Cole was being recruited by P5 schools to play other positions (LB, TE.)

Huskers have a QB commit from Kearney (Heinrich Haarberg.)

[GreenfieldBison]

Anybody have a subscription to The Athletic that would be willing to offer up the exec summary for this article?


Why Nebraska may regret missing out on Omaha QB Cole Payton: Upon Further Review
https://theathletic.com/2258036/2020/12/14/nebraska-recruiting-cole-payton/

[Bison 4 Life]

Anybody have a subscription to The Athletic that would be willing to offer up the exec summary for this article?


https://theathletic.com/2258036/2020/12/14/nebraska-recruiting-cole-payton/

Looks like Nebraska was standoffish early but Iowa State looked interested a couple years ago. Both went hard when he went bonkers in his senior year but he was already committed to NDSU.

Apparently Easton came to visit the school and hung out last summer. NDSU is awesome, family, etc.

I love this kid already.

[EC8CH]

Looks like Nebraska was standoffish early but Iowa State looked interested a couple years ago. Both went hard when he went bonkers in his senior year but he was already committed to NDSU.

Apparently Easton came to visit the school and hung out last summer. NDSU is awesome, family, etc.

I love this kid already.

Other than being a southpaw, he has NDSU prototypical starting QB dripping off him.

[bri-dog]

It also said he was undoubtedly ranked as the most impactful and one of the most determined players in the state.

He said he has already a strong friendship with members of his recruiting class, including Bryce Lance.

[23Bison]

I'm just going to go ahead and say this: Cole Payton will have the same relationship with Bryce that Lance has with Sproles and Watson. Will get drafted into the NFL within the first 3 Rds. That is all.

[EC8CH]

It also said he was undoubtedly ranked as the most impactful and one of the most determined players in the state.

He said he has already a strong friendship with members of his recruiting class, including Bryce Lance.

That relationship seems like a good hook to keep him in the boat considering his bro is the best demonstration of next level potential at the QB position. That with the fact he already flat out said thanks but no thanks before even meeting with Nebraska in person gives me the warm and tinglies. Nebraska is likely set at QB anyway so if he turned down Iowa State at QB and Nebraska for anything else, seems like NDSU is in a good spot retention wise.

[EC8CH]

I'm just going to go ahead and say this: Cole Payton will have the same relationship with Bryce that Lance has with Sproles and Watson. Will get drafted into the NFL within the first 3 Rds. That is all.

Cole Payton leads NDSU through transition to the FBS... and wins their first National Championship at the next level. :biggrin:

[23Bison]

Cole Payton leads NDSU through transition to the FBS... and wins their first National Championship at the next level. :biggrin:

Haha! I'm more than happy with the first part. Being in the top 10 at the next level would be just fine for me. For the time being... :biggrin:

[EC8CH]

Haha! I'm more than happy with the first part. Being in the top 10 at the next level would be just fine for me. For the time being... :biggrin:

Just trying to keep the ridiculous progression of NDSU QB accomplishments going.

[23Bison]

not to drift thread in a different direction but I'm still waiting to have that RB that is a top 1-5 RD NFL pick like David Johnson. Figured it would have happened by now.

[EC8CH]

not to drift thread in a different direction but I'm still waiting to have that RB that is a top 1-5 RD NFL pick like David Johnson. Figured it would have happened by now.

Looking back just makes you appreciate how much of a freak athlete Johnson was and how lucky we were Farley never used him effectively enough against the Bison.

[Herd]

not to drift thread in a different direction but I'm still waiting to have that RB that is a top 1-5 RD NFL pick like David Johnson. Figured it would have happened by now.

We’ve had good backs (Crock, Bruce, etc), but we haven’t got that sure thing yet. The kid from Fargo in next years class might be really good.

[Snowgoose]

We’ve had good backs (Crock, Bruce, etc), but we haven’t got that sure thing yet. The kid from Fargo in next years class might be really good.

We need a Lamar Gordon. Third Round draft pick

[Professor Chaos]

It makes me nervous when these commit threads light up the day before signing day....

No "I'm taking my talents to Rutgers" tweets from Payton yet though. :rofl:


For anyone that doesn't get the reference or just wants to have a good chuckle reliving an infamous Bisonville 30 minute meltdown: http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?31453-The-Easton-Stick-Mega-Thread&p=826618#post826618

[23Bison]

It makes me nervous when these commit threads light up the day before signing day....

No "I'm taking my talents to Rutgers" tweets from Payton yet though. :rofl:


For anyone that doesn't get the reference or just wants to have a good chuckle reliving an infamous Bisonville 30 minute meltdown: http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?31453-The-Easton-Stick-Mega-Thread&p=826618#post826618

Honestly, I forgot that tomorrow was the early signing period! Been a weird recruiting year for sure.

[bajadanny]

We’ve had good backs (Crock, Bruce, etc), but we haven’t got that sure thing yet. The kid from Fargo in next years class might be really good.

What kid you talking about?

[bruinbison]

It makes me nervous when these commit threads light up the day before signing day....

No "I'm taking my talents to Rutgers" tweets from Payton yet though. :rofl:


For anyone that doesn't get the reference or just wants to have a good chuckle reliving an infamous Bisonville 30 minute meltdown: http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?31453-The-Easton-Stick-Mega-Thread&p=826618#post826618

No need to be nervous. :rolleyes:
Unless you believe in the Izzo jinx......

https://mobile.twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/1338921062000717824

*make sure to tap on ‘show this thread’

[NDSUBowler]

What kid you talking about?

I'd assume Barika Kpeenu

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?41132-2021-Verbal-Barika-Kpeenu

[El_Chapo]

'21 NDSU Football Commit

@ColePayton9

2-5, (2) HR's, 5RBI Grand Slam in the 4th Solo HR in the 5th

[GreenfieldBison]

From Fargo's own Valley News Live - Cole Payton makes history as NB Gatorade POTY

https://www.valleynewslive.com/2021/05/13/ndsu-commit-cole-payton-makes-history-as-nebraska-gatorade-player-of-the-year/

[Kevin]

Two words: four year starter.

[EC8CH]

From Fargo's own Valley News Live - Cole Payton makes history as NB Gatorade POTY

https://www.valleynewslive.com/2021/05/13/ndsu-commit-cole-payton-makes-history-as-nebraska-gatorade-player-of-the-year/

A lot of my hopes and dreams reside in this young man's left arm.

[EC8CH]

Two words: four year starter.

Passes the get off the bus test better than either of our two starters this year.

[Snowgoose]

Gotta love that article on Cole. Resembles the previous great starters for us in personality which can only be good. I guess we need to get thru 2021 as it would be extremely hard for him to start in 2021.

[WeAreThePride]

At this point the only question is by how many will he break the all time QB wins record? 6? 8? It'll be nice to own the D1 record outright. Damn you, Kellen Moore.

[El_Chapo]

Big Red Football Twitter:

Cole Payton would have been an amazing in state recruit now he gonna go to NDSU and light it up and make Nebraska look dumb again

[DakotaOkie]

Big Red Football Twitter:

Cole Payton would have been an amazing in state recruit now he gonna go to NDSU and light it up and make Nebraska look dumb again

Not a hard choice for a QB talent when you consider the Bison have placed 4 times more QBs in the NFL in the past 20 years than has Nebraska

[Professor Chaos]

Not a hard choice for a QB talent when you consider the Bison have placed 4 times more QBs in the NFL in the past 20 years than has Nebraska
Something tells me that had Nebraska offered him Cole would've found a way to overlook that disparity in recent pro QB prospects between the two schools. ;)

Alas they didn't and he didn't.

[DakotaOkie]

Something tells me that had Nebraska offered him Cole would've found a way to overlook that disparity in recent pro QB prospects between the two schools. ;)

Alas they didn't and he didn't.
I more or less agree with you. Still, the recency of NFL draftees coming out of NDSU could certainly impact the mind of an 18-20 year old. Unlikely either Zeb Noland or Quincy Patterson came to Fargo for the weather.

[thebigund]

I more or less agree with you. Still, the recency of NFL draftees coming out of NDSU could certainly impact the mind of an 18-20 year old. Unlikely either Zeb Noland or Quincy Patterson came to Fargo for the weather.
Yea, Zeb would have probably ended up at Bama if NDSU hadn’t offered him.

[OrygunBison]

Yea, Zeb would have probably ended up at Bama if NDSU hadn’t offered him.

That's certainly what that super amazing awesome Youtube video of Iowa State's loss to Oklahoma would indicate!!

[DakotaOkie]

Yea, Zeb would have probably ended up at Bama if NDSU hadn’t offered him.
You are absolutely correct. Bama Pie just might have had a suitable intern position for him.

(Bama Pie make pies, biscuits, pizza dough for fast food restaurants like McDonalds, etc)

[heffray]

Yea, Zeb would have probably ended up at Bama if NDSU hadn’t offered him.

Where’s Otis transferring? LSU? BAMA?

[EC8CH]

Stop letting big undies clutter up the thread of our future left handed messiah.


THE SOUTH PAW.... FROM OMAHA!!!!!!!!! COOOOOOOOOOLE PAAAAAY TOOOOOOOON!!!!!

*Kev and I throw our panties on the field*

[MankatoBison]

100% chance Culhane uses this moniker lol, too good

[Bisonator98]

Stop letting big undies clutter up the thread of our future left handed messiah.


THE SOUTH PAW.... FROM OMAHA!!!!!!!!! COOOOOOOOOOLE PAAAAAY TOOOOOOOON!!!!!

*Kev and I throw our panties on the field*

Toooooooon??? Should it be Tonnnnnnn!!!! Come on man get it right!;)

[SamsRams]

Something tells me that had Nebraska offered him Cole would've found a way to overlook that disparity in recent pro QB prospects between the two schools. ;)

Alas they didn't and he didn't.

Frost attempted to set up a phone call with him after the championship game and Cole declined to listen to him. I cannot say if Frost was gonna offer and if he was if it would be to play QB. But I don’t think it would’ve been as easy as just offering him to get him to flip

[Kujava23]

Frost attempted to set up a phone call with him after the championship game and Cole declined to listen to him. I cannot say if Frost was gonna offer and if he was if it would be to play QB. But I don’t think it would’ve been as easy as just offering him to get him to flip

Cole wants to WIN!!!!!!!

[bajadanny]

Cole wants to WIN!!!!!!!

Day 1 starter, 4 year starter, the empire is back

[THEsocalledfan]

Day 1 starter, 4 year starter, the empire is back

No, if Patterson is solid, makes a lot more sense to shirt him to give him time to learn and get stronger. See Brock, Carson, Easton, Trey, etc.......

You only pull the shirt if Patterson is a liability.

[Kevin]

No, if Patterson is solid, makes a lot more sense to shirt him to give him time to learn and get stronger. See Brock, Carson, Easton, Trey, etc.......

You only pull the shirt if Patterson is a liability.

Brock never should have sat behind Mohler for the record. Should have been day one as well.

Easton would have been if not for Carson being Carson.

[THEsocalledfan]

Brock never should have sat behind Mohler for the record. Should have been day one as well.

Easton would have been if not for Carson being Carson.

Quincy may be Quincy.....

[tony]

No, if Patterson is solid, makes a lot more sense to shirt him to give him time to learn and get stronger. See Brock, Carson, Easton, Trey, etc.......

You only pull the shirt if Patterson is a liability.

Between the new rules about redshirts and the one-time transfer, I doubt there'll be many freshmen who don't get a chance to see the field if there's an opportunity.

[OrygunBison]

Brock never should have sat behind Mohler for the record. Should have been day one as well.

Easton would have been if not for Carson being Carson.

He redshirted during the 2009 season behind Mertens, I think.

As it relates to his 2010 competition with Jose, by the middle of the season, coaches seemed to want to move on from Jose and start Brock but everyone forgets that he had a hard time staying healthy. He seemed brittle that year, which seems absurd now that hindsight shows us the toughness of his next three years.

What has always bugged me is that Mertens was never allowed to run, which was central to his game. The story was that there was no good backup option if he got hurt. That makes sense to me for the 2008 season but for 2009, Brock was there. My guess is that he just didn't show IT during practice his true freshman year.

[SDbison]

No, if Patterson is solid, makes a lot more sense to shirt him to give him time to learn and get stronger. See Brock, Carson, Easton, Trey, etc.......

You only pull the shirt if Patterson is a liability. Coaches need to put the player on the field that gives the best chance to win and has the most positive upside. After the Zeb debacle this past season my confidence in the coaches to make the right decision is greatly diminished.

[El_Chapo]

Day 1 starter, 4 year starter, the empire is back

THIS^^ Why wouldn't a 4 star or 5 star come to NDSU based off Wentz/Lance. Have we even tried to offer a 4 star or 5 star QB? the answer is NO.

but i ask WHY NOT?

[thebigund]

Stop letting big undies clutter up the thread of our future left handed messiah.


THE SOUTH PAW.... FROM OMAHA!!!!!!!!! COOOOOOOOOOLE PAAAAAY TOOOOOOOON!!!!!

*Kev and I throw our panties on the field*

This is lofty praise for an unproven guy, but I’ve heard from a very reliable source that he basically the next Derek McGinnis.

[ByeSonBusiness]

THIS^^ Why wouldn't a 4 star or 5 star come to NDSU based off Wentz/Lance. Have we even tried to offer a 4 star or 5 star QB? the answer is NO.

but i ask WHY NOT?

What a dumb post lol.

[EC8CH]

This is lofty praise for an unproven guy, but I’ve heard from a very reliable source that he basically the next Derek McGinnis.

Not really. Kev throws his panties at pretty much anyone. Such a slut.

[scottietohottie]

This is lofty praise for an unproven guy, but I’ve heard from a very reliable source that he basically the next Derek McGinnis.

Will ralettel and that new town Grey ring any bells?

[JohnnyExtacy]

lol at people here still convinced the problem is the QB personnel and not the coaching/scheming.

[EC8CH]

lol at people here still convinced the problem is the QB personnel and not the coaching/scheming.

Lol right back. The problem most definitely was at QB during the spring.

[scottietohottie]

lol at people here still convinced the problem is the QB personnel and not the coaching/scheming.

I love napoleon dynamite.

[EC8CH]

I love napoleon dynamite.

Coulda won state.

[THEsocalledfan]

Lol right back. The problem most definitely was at QB during the spring.

Yeah, watching Cam run and throw told you all you needed to know......he is simply not a starter.

[heffray]

This is lofty praise for an unproven guy, but I’ve heard from a very reliable source that he basically the next Derek McGinnis.

High praise from a un_ fan... McGinnis would’ve won you 3 or 4 Big Fluff titles...

[EC8CH]

Yeah, watching Cam run and throw told you all you needed to know......he is simply not a starter.

Good kid, but not who I'd want starting the next four years.

[SamsRams]

Yeah, watching Cam run and throw told you all you needed to know......he is simply not a starter.
So who should’ve been the starter?

[EC8CH]

So who should’ve been the starter?

This Spring? Cam. Next fall, I hope QPII.

[heffray]

So who should’ve been the starter?

This is shades of Chapo’s hard-on for Zeb...

[Kevin]

This Spring? Cam. Next fall, I hope QPII.

Traitor.

I'm all for Quincy running the rock here and there. But his completion percentage isn't going to be a step up from what we saw this year.

Get the southpaw the reps he'll need to rebuild the dynasty. From. Day. One.

[EC8CH]

Traitor.

I'm all for Quincy running the rock here and there. But his completion percentage isn't going to be a step up from what we saw this year.

Get the southpaw the reps he'll need to rebuild the dynasty. From. Day. One.

I'm greedy. I don't want to trade his redshirt senior year for a true freshman year.

[Bisonator98]

I'm greedy. I don't want to trade his redshirt senior year for a true freshman year.

What makes you think he will be here that long?

[Kevin]

I'm greedy. I don't want to trade his redshirt senior year for a true freshman year.

You have to account for COVID 23 giving him another (spring) season off the books.

[EC8CH]

You have to account for COVID 23 giving him another (spring) season off the books.

Ahhh yes, silver lining of that dastardly plan of the ChiComs.

[EC8CH]

What makes you think he will be here that long?

A middle aged man can dream can't he?

[SamsRams]

This Spring? Cam. Next fall, I hope QPII.
But Cam didn’t start until the playoffs. Isn’t that a coaching thing? If Can would’ve been inserted by game 3, I think we would’ve seen a much more confident Cam and a better team

[CAS4127]

lol at people here still convinced the problem is the QB personnel and not the coaching/scheming.

Exactly. By all stats, Cam was better than both the true Frosh QBs at UND and SDSU, and his HS competition was as good or better than theirs. We had/have coaching/scheme issues for sure. And, to those that disagree, I’ll “footnote” the Game-day threads here and all the posts/comments about the play calling. Stick/Wentz/Lance wouldn’t have done much better IMO, other than just say eff it, and either call a different play or take off running on every pass play that didn’t develop, which was 90%.


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[EC8CH]

But Cam didn’t start until the playoffs. Isn’t that a coaching thing? If Can would’ve been inserted by game 3, I think we would’ve seen a much more confident Cam and a better team

Probably. Still not the guy I'd want starting the next 4 years though. Think NDSU has proven it has a higher ceiling at that position than I think Cam is able to reach. Just my opinion.

[scottietohottie]

Exactly. By all stats, Cam was better than both the true Frosh QBs at UND and SDSU, and his HS competition was as good or better than theirs. We had/have coaching/scheme issues for sure. And, to those that disagree, I’ll “footnote” the Game-day threads here and all the posts/comments about the play calling. Stick/Wentz/Lance wouldn’t have done much better IMO, other than just say eff it, and either call a different play or take off running on every pass play that didn’t develop, which was 90%.


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Maybe we need more old associate head coaches? Like a coach retirement center or something. Imagine all the knowledge.

[CAS4127]

Maybe we need more old associate head coaches? Like a coach retirement center or something. Imagine all the knowledge.

I wonder if Roehl has ever taken the Wonderlic Test, and, if so, what his score was.


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[scottietohottie]

I wonder if Roehl has ever taken the Wonderlic Test, and, if so, what his score was.


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I just got a 19. Run it up the gut was never an option.

[ZHerd]

Cam is not a special talent and diSplayed nothing special. Not saying he is bad, he’s just another FCS qb. NDSU can definitely do better. Playcalling/offensive coaching was terrible. Put them together and our offense....wasn’t good.

[SDbison]

Exactly. By all stats, Cam was better than both the true Frosh QBs at UND and SDSU, and his HS competition was as good or better than theirs. We had/have coaching/scheme issues for sure. And, to those that disagree, I’ll “footnote” the Game-day threads here and all the posts/comments about the play calling. Stick/Wentz/Lance wouldn’t have done much better IMO, other than just say eff it, and either call a different play or take off running on every pass play that didn’t develop, which was 90%.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Exactly! Truth!

[SDbison]

So we know Roehl will be here next year. Will he be smart enough to correct his poor play calls, find some new plays, call some screen passes, and pass to the TE's a bunch more?

[23Bison]

Can’t one just watch a season from Messingham’s play calling and develop an offense of of that? My worry is that all of the plays are there to choose from but once game time comes around the ol’ blinders come on and out comes the same 5 plays that we see all the time.

[tjamz]

Exactly. By all stats, Cam was better than both the true Frosh QBs at UND and SDSU, and his HS competition was as good or better than theirs. We had/have coaching/scheme issues for sure. And, to those that disagree, I’ll “footnote” the Game-day threads here and all the posts/comments about the play calling. Stick/Wentz/Lance wouldn’t have done much better IMO, other than just say eff it, and either call a different play or take off running on every pass play that didn’t develop, which was 90%.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI don't disagree on the scheme issues. But I wonder how much the playbook was trimmed down for both Cam (and maybe Zeb) in an attempt to keep our run first identity while also not overwhelming the QB?

Where Brock, Carson, Easton and Trey would look at the defense, call out their protections and/or switch to play B or C I'm willing to bet that Cam wasn't personally ready for that jump yet after he was thrust into the lineup due to an inaccurate, inadequate QB ahead of him that everyone thought was going to perform at a high level.

Now, it's on the coaches to work with what they have as well and come up with play designs and options that he can execute. So that falls back on the coaches for sure.

I can see a serviceable backup QB role for Cam in the future (assuming QPII and/or Cole Payton retain the starting role we all think they will have) and maybe even challenging for a starting role if and when he gets more command of the playbook and verbiage

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[GreenfieldBison]

Everybody talking about skill players with inadequate skills, play callers with no plays, schemes that just weren't very schemy etc, etc. To my eye our OL play just wasn't up to the standard we have become accustomed to. I think it all starts there. No doubt these other faults exists as well but I bet all skill guys look less skilled when they have a second or two less to work with. Play callers have one or two fewer plays they can call when they know that it just can't be executed.

Don't know. I'm not much of an xo person but that seems like the place to start to me. And for sure if you are trying to run through the A gap and not getting at least a couple of yards to begin with then there is perhaps no reason to believe you are going to be getting the 4 and 5 in the third and fourth like we used to do, so try calling something else.

[WeAreThePride]

Can’t one just watch a season from Messingham’s play calling and develop an offense of of that? My worry is that all of the plays are there to choose from but once game time comes around the ol’ blinders come on and out comes the same 5 plays that we see all the time.

Man that final Stick year was glorious. I'm convinced that play calling alone won us 3 games more than we would have under the usual OC scheme, including the Natty.

[scottietohottie]

Can’t one just watch a season from Messingham’s play calling and develop an offense of of that? My worry is that all of the plays are there to choose from but once game time comes around the ol’ blinders come on and out comes the same 5 plays that we see all the time.

And four of those plays are just variations of the same play and the fifth one only gets used right before halftime.

[Professor Chaos]

Man that final Stick year was glorious. I'm convinced that play calling alone won us 3 games more than we would have under the usual OC scheme, including the Natty.
It's easy to look good calling plays when you have a bevy of NFL talent. That team had either a rostered or practice squad NFL player at QB, WR (Shepherd), TE (Ellefson), RB (Bruce), and multiple O-lineman (Radunz, Z Johnson, T Volson, maybe C Volson too). They had an amazing offense that year mainly because they were supremely talented not because Messingham was a wizard.

It's not like Messingham was Lincoln Riley. He wasn't a particularly successful OC at Iowa St or Montana St before he got to NDSU and K-State hasn't been lighting it up since he got there either. I think Roehl could learn a lot from him though, mainly how to break tendencies and how to let your players take advantage of mismatched defenders. That all takes time and experience though, you can't just watch another OC and expect to be better without understanding all the nuance that goes into calling plays. If that were the case there would be a lot fewer shitty OCs than there are.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Exactly. By all stats, Cam was better than both the true Frosh QBs at UND and SDSU, and his HS competition was as good or better than theirs. We had/have coaching/scheme issues for sure. And, to those that disagree, I’ll “footnote” the Game-day threads here and all the posts/comments about the play calling. Stick/Wentz/Lance wouldn’t have done much better IMO, other than just say eff it, and either call a different play or take off running on every pass play that didn’t develop, which was 90%.


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Probably. Still not the guy I'd want starting the next 4 years though. Think NDSU has proven it has a higher ceiling at that position than I think Cam is able to reach. Just my opinion.

Seems very early to say he's not able to meet the standard. None of those NDSU's other QBs have had to play as true freshmen. And the bar many here seem to have for QB at NDSU is just not sustainable. From 2013-2020, there is not a single team other than maybe Clemson who has had as much success at the quarterback position, and their success isn't sustainable either.

Frankly, he seems like precisely the type of QB NDSU should strive for. He had offers from the rest of the conference. He's from our part of the country. On paper its a great fit. He showed very good potential throughout the season. He got one start and had a tough day. It is what it is. I think everyone here would be pretty pissed if their customers/employers formed their opinion on your potential based on a rough day at work in your first couple months on the job.

Quincy Patterson hasn't shown anything to indicate he's going to be a Rockstar, and this Payton guy hasn't played a snap in college.

I'll defer to CAS and others on how much was Roehl's fault or the players fault. I do have vivid memories of Brady Quinn being trash as a freshman before Charlie Weis turned him into a Heisman finalist.

Tl;dr: doesn't make sense to write off because of one bad start while simultaneously hyping guys who have also had only a bad start (Patterson) and a high school senior who has not played a down in college.

[EC8CH]

Seems very early to say he's not able to meet the standard. None of those NDSU's other QBs have had to play as true freshmen. And the bar many here seem to have for QB at NDSU is just not sustainable. From 2013-2020, there is not a single team other than maybe Clemson who has had as much success at the quarterback position, and their success isn't sustainable either.

Frankly, he seems like precisely the type of QB NDSU should strive for. He had offers from the rest of the conference. He's from our part of the country. On paper its a great fit. He showed very good potential throughout the season. He got one start and had a tough day. It is what it is. I think everyone here would be pretty pissed if their customers/employers formed their opinion on your potential based on a rough day at work in your first couple months on the job.

Quincy Patterson hasn't shown anything to indicate he's going to be a Rockstar, and this Payton guy hasn't played a snap in college.

I'll defer to CAS and others on how much was Roehl's fault or the players fault. I do have vivid memories of Brady Quinn being trash as a freshman before Charlie Weis turned him into a Heisman finalist.

Tl;dr: doesn't make sense to write off because of one bad start while simultaneously hyping guys who have also had only a bad start (Patterson) and a high school senior who has not played a down in college.

Doesn't have the arm or running ability. Game manager potential but I don't see play maker talent.

[reformedUNDfan]

I don't disagree on the scheme issues. But I wonder how much the playbook was trimmed down for both Cam (and maybe Zeb) in an attempt to keep our run first identity while also not overwhelming the QB?

Where Brock, Carson, Easton and Trey would look at the defense, call out their protections and/or switch to play B or C I'm willing to bet that Cam wasn't personally ready for that jump yet after he was thrust into the lineup due to an inaccurate, inadequate QB ahead of him that everyone thought was going to perform at a high level.

Now, it's on the coaches to work with what they have as well and come up with play designs and options that he can execute. So that falls back on the coaches for sure.

I can see a serviceable backup QB role for Cam in the future (assuming QPII and/or Cole Payton retain the starting role we all think they will have) and maybe even challenging for a starting role if and when he gets more command of the playbook and verbiage

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the problem with this analysis is that the O abandoned the easy pass plays, like TE drag routes, in favor of an outside deep passing game

[ByeSonBusiness]

Doesn't have the arm or running ability. Game manager potential but I don't see play maker talent.

Feels a bit early to make that assessment. Can still be a bad man while game managing.

[Bisonator98]

Everybody talking about skill players with inadequate skills, play callers with no plays, schemes that just weren't very schemy etc, etc. To my eye our OL play just wasn't up to the standard we have become accustomed to. I think it all starts there. No doubt these other faults exists as well but I bet all skill guys look less skilled when they have a second or two less to work with. Play callers have one or two fewer plays they can call when they know that it just can't be executed.

Don't know. I'm not much of an xo person but that seems like the place to start to me. And for sure if you are trying to run through the A gap and not getting at least a couple of yards to begin with then there is perhaps no reason to believe you are going to be getting the 4 and 5 in the third and fourth like we used to do, so try calling something else.

That's a very good point. The oline definitely had some growing pains. Hopefully they are much improved this fall. I think another issue was when Zeb started flinging interceptions and putting a young defense in bad situations the coaching staff got way too conservative with the play calling. That doesn't work too well when you don't have much of a running game or very many running backs to speak of either. In turn you're just not putting the team in the best situation to be successful especially on early downs. Too many 3rd and long or obvious passing situations. Just a lot of issues with this spring fiasco.

[SamsRams]

That's a very good point. The oline definitely had some growing pains. Hopefully they are much improved this fall. I think another issue was when Zeb started flinging interceptions and putting a young defense in bad situations the coaching staff got way too conservative with the play calling. That doesn't work too well when you don't have much of a running game or very many running backs to speak of either. In turn you're just not putting the team in the best situation to be successful especially on early downs. Too many 3rd and long or obvious passing situations. Just a lot of issues with this spring fiasco.

Doesn’t help when the Olone coach leaves right before season

[southcliffbison]

It's too bad Grey Zabel went down with the broken leg. He was on his way to a very stellar season and soon to be anchor of the oline. Speaking of which, does anyone know how the rehad is coming along?

[CAS4127]

It's too bad Grey Zabel went down with the broken leg. He was on his way to a very stellar season and soon to be anchor of the oline. Speaking of which, does anyone know how the rehad is coming along?

Not sure on rehab, but can’t be stated more strongly IMO that all of our players need Kramer conditioning. That’s not saying they haven’t been working hard, but the last several seasons of Natty’s/deep playoff runs have caught up to us when it comes to offseason training. Everyone talks about the additional reps, etc., but the smaller calendar to lift and condition is huge, and other teams have had that opportunity. I’ll reference SDSU’s Oline as an example.


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[DORMIE]

Talked to a team Dr. at the FCC. He said Zabel will be OK in the fall.

[thebigund]

Who was the last true freshman to start at qb for NDSU? Who was the last Trfr qb to play really well? The last 4 guys all had time to learn the system and had great mentors with the exception of Brock who had no player mentor. It’s a lot to ask of a kid straight out of HS.

[El_Chapo]

Talked to a team Dr. at the FCC. He said Zabel will be OK in the fall.

Good Scoop Dormie!!!

[tony]

Who was the last true freshman to start at qb for NDSU? Who was the last Trfr qb to play really well? The last 4 guys all had time to learn the system and had great mentors with the exception of Brock who had no player mentor. It’s a lot to ask of a kid straight out of HS.

Bentrim, I think. Ryan Johnson played a bit as a true freshman.

Considering that transfers are uncommon at NDSU and were even rarer back in the day, we're talking a very small sample size. I thought Staus did a pretty good job. Stacy Robinson transferred as a QB and ended up in the NFL as a WR so there's that.

[thebigund]

Bentrim, I think. Ryan Johnson played a bit as a true freshman.

Considering that transfers are uncommon at NDSU and were even rarer back in the day, we're talking a very small sample size. I thought Staus did a pretty good job. Stacy Robinson transferred as a QB and ended up in the NFL as a WR so there's that.

Yea, so pretty unprecedented, especially with the west coast offense. My overall point is people are being way too hard on Miller. Not that I think he’s gonna be a super stud like the last guys but I wouldn’t pencil him in as a lifetime backup already. Give the kid a bit of a chance to grow.

[ZHerd]

Yea, so pretty unprecedented, especially with the west coast offense. My overall point is people are being way too hard on Miller. Not that I think he’s gonna be a super stud like the last guys but I wouldn’t pencil him in as a lifetime backup already. Give the kid a bit of a chance to grow.

If I were a UN_ fan I’d want the Bison best qb talent on the bench too.

[reformedUNDfan]

Yea, so pretty unprecedented, especially with the west coast offense. My overall point is people are being way too hard on Miller. Not that I think he’s gonna be a super stud like the last guys but I wouldn’t pencil him in as a lifetime backup already. Give the kid a bit of a chance to grow.

I think his celing is in the range of stick. maybe not quite that athletic

[ByeSonBusiness]

If I were a UN_ fan I’d want the Bison best qb talent on the bench too.

Who is this superb qb talent that is on the bench if Miller is playing?

[EC8CH]

Who is this superb qb talent that is on the bench if Miller is playing?

The South Paw from Omaha, Cole Fucking Payton. That's who.

Can I get a hell yeah, Kev?

[ByeSonBusiness]

The South Paw from Omaha, Cole Fucking Payton. That's who.

Can I get a hell yeah, Kev?

The only lifted handed people I trust are accountants and Tim Tebow.

[tony]

Yea, so pretty unprecedented, especially with the west coast offense. My overall point is people are being way too hard on Miller. Not that I think he’s gonna be a super stud like the last guys but I wouldn’t pencil him in as a lifetime backup already. Give the kid a bit of a chance to grow.

I totally agree - although I'd say that there aren't that many people like that... or, geez, I hope not.

Cripes, we've had plenty of redshirt freshmen struggle, including Brock Jensen and Kevin Feeney.

[bisonaudit]

The only lifted handed people I trust are accountants and Tim Tebow.

this is half right.

[southcliffbison]

I don't trust accountants or used car salesmen...........I do trust my bartender at Stubbies.

[CAS4127]

this is half right.

Agreed. The sports media should be more concerned about accountants who have fucked over major athletes and their finances than they should be about Tebow trying the simplest thing possible of making an NFL team as a TE. If he doesn’t make the team, no big deal. I’m more disgusted with accountants/financial advisors who take advantage of $$-vulnerable people.


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[ByeSonBusiness]

Agreed. The sports media should be more concerned about accountants who have fucked over major athletes and their finances than they should be about Tebow trying the simplest thing possible of making an NFL team as a TE. If he doesn’t make the team, no big deal. I’m more disgusted with accountants/financial advisors who take advantage of $$-vulnerable people.


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The fact that a lawyer wrote this post is * chef's kiss *


;)

[bisonaudit]

Agreed. The sports media should be more concerned about accountants who have fucked over major athletes and their finances than they should be about Tebow trying the simplest thing possible of making an NFL team as a TE. If he doesn’t make the team, no big deal. I’m more disgusted with accountants/financial advisors who take advantage of $$-vulnerable people.


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all those rubes buying Jags Tebow jerseys aren’t vulnerable?

Pretty much everything you need to know about investing fits on one side of an index card. I completely agree there is little reason for the typical person to spend money on advice.

[TAILG8R]

all those rubes buying Jags Tebow jerseys aren’t vulnerable?

Pretty much everything you need to know about investing fits on one side of an index card. I completely agree there is little reason for the typical person to spend money on advice.

Two words: Take Kevin's advice.

[WeAreThePride]

The South Paw from Omaha, Cole Fucking Payton. That's who.

Can I get a hell yeah, Kev?

And the People said Amen.

[TransAmBison]

And the People said Amen.

And from the book of St. Easton, chapter 16, verses 9-12: And after the period of great tribulation, a prophet of great wisdom came forth to the Herd. He raised up the skin of the pig, and he chucked it. He ran it. He did what he wanted with it, and the vermin skattered. Many southern pilgrimages were made in the years that followed, and bunnies lamented. Here ends the reading.

[AKBison]

I think his celing is in the range of stick. maybe not quite that athletic

Go back and watch some Stick highlights. The guy was like lightning once he hit the secondary. Cam doesn't have that next gear. That is not to say he can't be a successful QB here, Brock and Wentz didn't have that either. Brock had giant nuts and Wentz had a cannon for an arm though. Cam will have to find something that takes his game up a notch to start in the fall.

[heffray]

And from the book of St. Easton, chapter 16, verses 9-12: And after the period of great tribulation, a prophet of great wisdom came forth to the Herd. He raised up the skin of the pig, and he chucked it. He ran it. He did what he wanted with it, and the vermin skattered. Many southern pilgrimages were made in the years that followed, and bunnies lamented. Here ends the reading.

(Choral chanting)...

[WeAreThePride]

And from the book of St. Easton, chapter 16, verses 9-12: And after the period of great tribulation, a prophet of great wisdom came forth to the Herd. He raised up the skin of the pig, and he chucked it. He ran it. He did what he wanted with it, and the vermin skattered. Many southern pilgrimages were made in the years that followed, and bunnies lamented. Here ends the reading.

And in those days, Cole, son of Easton, of the tribe of Omaha on the Plains, came upon the great Northern Waste. There he studied, and broke bread with his new brothers. He commanded that a fatted hog be sacrificed, and that its flesh be fashioned into a foot ball. With this relic, Cole, son of Easton, performed many feats of strength and skill, drawing acclaim from the entire province and beyond. And the People of that province were joyful, for they had suffered mightily for many moons. But behold, a new era is upon the People. The darkness has been cast aside.

Blessed be the reading of the holy word of the Prophet, Randy of clan Hedberg.

[CAS4127]

And in those days, Cole, son of Easton, of the tribe of Omaha on the Plains, came upon the great Northern Waste. There he studied, and broke bread with his new brothers. He commanded that a fatted hog be sacrificed, and that its flesh be fashioned into a foot ball. With this relic, Cole, son of Easton, performed many feats of strength and skill, drawing acclaim from the entire province and beyond. And the People of that province were joyful, for they had suffered mightily for many moons. But behold, a new era is upon the People. The darkness has been cast aside.

Blessed be the reading of the holy word of the Prophet, Randy of clan Hedberg.

And then they were all, unknowingly, jettisoned off who’ll be OC Roehl, where they feel listless and did nothing but to attempt to save them selves and hope that, had they did so, there would be stars to aging to a people who played to strengths and outside of those very positions
They had otherwise
Been shackled with but for play calling.
They want more,
Expect more, and are ready to for and to be recipient pass catchers, with Yaks a hundred.



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[EC8CH]

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/2b/d2b0513d-ce80-5f31-b3ff-41b9dc55908e/5f19fd4e28d37.image.jpg?resize=1024%2C768

[EC8CH]

That's great press in an important market. Basically saying NDSU could have 3 straight NFL QBs.

Boom... and they did.

[bisonaudit]

Nice flow. Very Flock of Seagulls.

[MNLonghorn10]

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/2b/d2b0513d-ce80-5f31-b3ff-41b9dc55908e/5f19fd4e28d37.image.jpg?resize=1024%2C768

I’m sold. Give him the keys

[EC8CH]

I’m sold. Give him the keys

It's a repost, but I like it so much. It gives me hope.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Nice flow. Very Flock of Seagulls.

Ndsu needs a NY Yankee rule. High and tight.

Stick: respectable young man. I'd let that guy borrow my cell phone.

This hippie: I'd flick a quarter in his guitar case outside a bar downtown and tell him to get a job.

[bisonaudit]

Ndsu needs a NY Yankee rule. High and tight.

I say flaunt it while you’ve got it.

[southcliffbison]

Ndsu needs a NY Yankee rule. High and tight.

Stick: respectable young man. I'd let that guy borrow my cell phone.

This hippie: I'd flick a quarter in his guitar case outside a bar downtown and tell him to get a job.

You think that hair is long and unkempt just because the wind is blowing ?????? What freakin' solar system are you from ??

[EC8CH]

You think that hair is long and unkempt just because the wind is blowing ?????? What freakin' solar system are you from ??

that's not just any wind. That's the breeze created by the passing of the awesomeness of Stick to the next great Bison QB out of the state of Nebraska.

[ByeSonBusiness]

I say flaunt it while you’ve got it.

I'm 29 and very grateful i avoided the fate many of my friends have.


You think that hair is long and unkempt just because the wind is blowing ?????? What freakin' solar system are you from ??

Too long. Disgusting hippy. On the Cam Wagon 100% based on hair.

[GreenfieldBison]

One thing is certain - that hippy needs to get friendly with Coach K. You all see the difference in those biceps between Lord Stick and the hippy?

[TransAmBison]

One thing is certain - that hippy needs to get friendly with Coach K. You all see the difference in those biceps between Lord Stick and the hippy?What if the long hair is the source of his power? You know, Samson-like.*





*Would be a real tragedy if he made the UNIdome cave in on itself...you know, with all those championship banners and all.

[GreenfieldBison]

What if the long hair is the source of his power? You know, Samson-like.*





*Would be a real tragedy if he made the UNIdome cave in on itself...you know, with all those championship banners and all.


Yes, yes I see this is a consideration and indeed the cave-in would be tragic most assuredly. But I don't expect the exalted Kramer would require an altered coiffure in order to imbue the youngster's frame with additional lean tissue, would he?

[EC8CH]

One thing is certain - that hippy needs to get friendly with Coach K. You all see the difference in those biceps between Lord Stick and the hippy?

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/68/268e8d8e-b3f2-11eb-926b-c7753c245ac9/609d2eedcacc8.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C800

[EC8CH]

What if the long hair is the source of his power? You know, Samson-like.*





*Would be a real tragedy if he made the UNIdome cave in on itself...you know, with all those championship banners and all.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpeRS7EXYAIIP30.jpg

[NDSU92]

One thing is certain - that hippy needs to get friendly with Coach K. You all see the difference in those biceps between Lord Stick and the hippy?

Point taken, but I mean one person is in the NFL and the other isn’t old enough to buy lottery tickets yet lol

[HandoEX]

Ndsu needs a NY Yankee rule. High and tight.

Stick: respectable young man. I'd let that guy borrow my cell phone.

This hippie: I'd flick a quarter in his guitar case outside a bar downtown and tell him to get a job.
Read this from 2011. Long hair don’t care.

https://www.inforum.com/3001083-bison-football-players-sporting-long-locks

[OrygunBison]

Read this from 2011. Long hair don’t care.

https://www.inforum.com/3001083-bison-football-players-sporting-long-locks

Exactly. The Bison program has had a long history of kicking ass with long hair, facial hair, and the intention of dishing out pain. I think a little mop top fits right in. Hell, I look at that picture and wonder how some high school kid could look so damn confident standing next to an NFL player. I would have been in awe.

[heffray]

Read this from 2011. Long hair don’t care.

https://www.inforum.com/3001083-bison-football-players-sporting-long-locks

3 words: Andrew Bonnett

[Kevin]

Boomers care about the weirdest shit.

[runtheoption]

Exactly. The Bison program has had a long history of kicking ass with long hair, facial hair, and the intention of dishing out pain.

KHCO. Hell yes.

[No_Skill]

And from the book of St. Easton, chapter 16, verses 9-12: And after the period of great tribulation, a prophet of great wisdom came forth to the Herd. He raised up the skin of the pig, and he chucked it. He ran it. He did what he wanted with it, and the vermin skattered. Many southern pilgrimages were made in the years that followed, and bunnies lamented. Here ends the reading.

...this is the word of the herd.

[KSBisonFan]

3 words: Andrew Bonnett

I would have also accepted, "2 words, Andrew Bonnett bus"

[ByeSonBusiness]

I would have also accepted, "2 words, Andrew Bonnett bus"

Lmaooooooo

[heffray]

I would have also accepted, "2 words, Andrew Bonnett bus"

Lol touché.

[rutlandbison]

Ndsu needs a NY Yankee rule. High and tight.

Stick: respectable young man. I'd let that guy borrow my cell phone.

This hippie: I'd flick a quarter in his guitar case outside a bar downtown and tell him to get a job.
This is such a weird thing.

[yopaulie]

Ndsu needs a NY Yankee rule. High and tight.

Stick: respectable young man. I'd let that guy borrow my cell phone.

This hippie: I'd flick a quarter in his guitar case outside a bar downtown and tell him to get a job.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_taveZC0Iqk

[El_Chapo]

Cole's Nebraska All Star game was 2nite. watch this 75 yard eun.

https://twitter.com/BigRedWrapUp/status/1401345338405965828?s=20

[IzzyFlexion]

Cole's Nebraska All Star game was 2nite. watch this 75 yard eun.

https://twitter.com/BigRedWrapUp/status/1401345338405965828?s=20

Never seen a football game where both teams wore the same colored jerseys. That's some weird shit......and one heck of a run by Payton.

[EC8CH]

Cole's Nebraska All Star game was 2nite. watch this 75 yard eun.

https://twitter.com/BigRedWrapUp/status/1401345338405965828?s=20

Ha! See you posted that one here before I did in the other thread... How bout this dime though:

https://twitter.com/MattFosterTV/status/1401331507583602690?s=19

[bajadanny]

Ha! See you posted that one here before I did in the other thread... How bout this dime though:

https://twitter.com/MattFosterTV/status/1401331507583602690?s=19

The future looks excellent with this guy, need to get the mojo back

[KSBisonFan]

Cole's Nebraska All Star game was 2nite. watch this 75 yard eun.

https://twitter.com/BigRedWrapUp/status/1401345338405965828?s=20

Impressive speed. Plus, I'm pretty sure that's the play we run on 3rd and long. Right after the dive and jet sweep on first and 2nd downs.

[scottietohottie]

Impressive speed. Plus, I'm pretty sure that's the play we run on 3rd and long. Right after the dive and jet sweep on first and 2nd downs.

Will they let him run other plays or just bring him in to run that play?

[ThunderDan]

Will they let him run other plays or just bring him in to run that play?

That run was a Tyler Roehl wet dream.
Basically, give it to the athletic running QB and make me look good after a run up the gut and a jet sweep and it's now 3rd and 8

[fbmind]

Never seen a football game where both teams wore the same colored jerseys. That's some weird shit......and one heck of a run by Payton.

Yes that jersey thing was so bizarre. I've watched that long run by Payton a few times and I am pretty convinced the only reason he gets tackled is because he thinks the guy that tackles him is on his team...

[El_Chapo]

Yes that jersey thing was so bizarre. I've watched that long run by Payton a few times and I am pretty convinced the only reason he gets tackled is because he thinks the guy that tackles him is on his team...

great point...

[Hammerhead]

Yes that jersey thing was so bizarre. I've watched that long run by Payton a few times and I am pretty convinced the only reason he gets tackled is because he thinks the guy that tackles him is on his team...

It could be. I had to watch that play a couple of times to verify that the tackler was on the field when the play was started. He was covering a receiver on the other side of the field and and then took an angle where he might have expected to tackle the runner at the goal line.

[Uffda]

Payton is a complete bruiser.The dude runs through tackles. He's speed is outstanding.

[CAS4127]

It could be. I had to watch that play a couple of times to verify that the tackler was on the field when the play was started. He was covering a receiver on the other side of the field and and then took an angle where he might have expected to tackle the runner at the goal line.

Didn’t appreciate the knee shot on the tackle. You don’t do that shit in nothing games.


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[EC8CH]

Didn’t appreciate the knee shot on the tackle. You don’t do that shit in nothing games.


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Kid was just trying to bring down a 225lb truck rumbling at full throttle without getting run over.

[SDbison]

Kid was just trying to bring down a 225lb truck rumbling at full throttle without getting run over. Maybe that kid should go to SDSU where cheap shots are encouraged. Loser!

[CAS4127]

Kid was just trying to bring down a 225lb truck rumbling at full throttle without getting run over.

I can tell you never played serious, competitive sports.

Sometimes, even in competitive events, you don’t take that shot—>had ACL injury written all over it.

And I’m assuming he had a good, knowledgeable coach that didn’t play him much after that shit tackle.


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[SDbison]

I can tell you never played serious, competitive sports.

Sometimes, even in competitive events, you don’t take that shot—>had ACL injury written all over it.

And I’m assuming he had a good, knowledgeable coach that didn’t play him much after that shit tackle.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk But Stig and his assistant coaches like that kind of tackling!

[OrygunBison]

I can tell you never played serious, competitive sports.

Sometimes, even in competitive events, you don’t take that shot—>had ACL injury written all over it.

And I’m assuming he had a good, knowledgeable coach that didn’t play him much after that shit tackle.


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I've had 2 knee reconstructions after being tackled like this 30+ years ago. To this day, I wear a ridiculous brace when I do serious hiking, play court sports or snowboard.

It's a stupid tackle for the defender as well. Really easy to get seriously hurt that way. The ball carrier can eventually walk away from that injury. A defender might not in the worst case scenario.

[CAS4127]

I've had 2 knee reconstructions after being tackled like this 30+ years ago. To this day, I wear a ridiculous brace when I do serious hiking, play court sports or snowboard.

It's a stupid tackle for the defender as well. Really easy to get seriously hurt that way. The ball carrier can eventually walk away from that injury. A defender might not in the worst case scenario.

If the defender had any neck muscles or traps, he’s fine—no ligament damage. ACL for Cole could have been legit career ender.


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[EC8CH]

I can tell you never played serious, competitive sports.

Sometimes, even in competitive events, you don’t take that shot—>had ACL injury written all over it.

And I’m assuming he had a good, knowledgeable coach that didn’t play him much after that shit tackle.


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Do you consider debate and jazz choir serious competitive sports.

[OrygunBison]

If the defender had any neck muscles or traps, he’s fine—no ligament damage. ACL for Cole could have been legit career ender.


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I know that these are athletes with a more elite bend to them but I also know that we teach our players to bring the head to the back side to avoid a knee to the noggin or a potential of neck compression. We also teach being in total body control as a part of the tackle progression. Much of our training has been to follow the methodology that the Seahawks train their guys with...head behind, wrap and gator roll if possible (which it could have been here with proper technique), preempted by all of the important (controlled) positional work that leads up to contact. Admittedly, I'm very much a novice at best and just coached youth but I'm also around the HS program a ton and see the same thing there. Maybe I'll need to look at it again but when I saw the tackle initially, I winced for the defender first.

I feel silly debating this with you. You have forgotten more football knowledge that I will ever know...

[OrygunBison]

Do you consider debate and jazz choir serious competitive sports.

Only in Texas.

[EC8CH]

I know that these are athletes with a more elite bend to them but I also know that we teach our players to bring the head to the back side to avoid a knee to the noggin or a potential of neck compression. We also teach being in total body control as a part of the tackle progression. Much of our training has been to follow the methodology that the Seahawks train their guys with...head behind, wrap and gator roll if possible (which it could have been here with proper technique), preempted by all of the important (controlled) positional work that leads up to contact. Admittedly, I'm very much a novice at best and just coached youth but I'm also around the HS program a ton and see the same thing there. Maybe I'll need to look at it again but when I saw the tackle initially, I winced for the defender first.

I feel silly debating this with you. You have forgotten more football knowledge that I will ever know...

Kid was taking bad angles the entire play and took another one right at the end and was about to get beat on the cutback. Dove and caught an ankle or Payton takes it to the house. Let's freak out about a tackle though.

[BISONBRI53]

Best football coach I ever had told me to bow my neck... You could take on a MAC truck... It might kill ya but you wont break your neck!

[ByeSonBusiness]

I can tell you never played serious, competitive sports.

Sometimes, even in competitive events, you don’t take that shot—>had ACL injury written all over it.

And I’m assuming he had a good, knowledgeable coach that didn’t play him much after that shit tackle.


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Yep. Our last high school game I was stuck going against two large kids with wrestling scholarships to Minnesota. I got my ass handed to me all game because I wouldn't go after knees or ankles. Might be the only time I took the "high road"....

[THEsocalledfan]

Yep. Our last high school game I was stuck going against two large kids with wrestling scholarships to Minnesota. I got my ass handed to me all game because I wouldn't go after knees or ankles. Might be the only time I took the "high road"....

Let's be clear.... smart players always go low in a heads up tackle against a freight train. Stay low, keep head up and drive through the knees to thighs and wrap up. That is a clean play and injury risk is low.

It is taking shots at knees at angles or when defenseless that is terrible.

[El_Chapo]

Dayumm... that's a dime..

https://www.facebook.com/295441547256002/posts/2603333789800088/

[Kevin]

Dayumm... that's a dime..

https://www.facebook.com/295441547256002/posts/2603333789800088/

4 year starter. Take it to the bank.

[EC8CH]

4 year starter. Take it to the bank.

Starting this year or next?

[El_Chapo]

Starting this year or next?

I think Quincy is the starter.... but If Cole is right there with him, why not Cole ?

[Kevin]

Starting this year or next?

Yes.


(Ten characters)

[EC8CH]

I think Quincy is the starter.... but If Cole is right there with him, why not Cole ?

Just win baby.

[steelbison]

Let him sit a year or two. Why rush it?


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[EC8CH]

Let him sit a year or two. Why rush it?


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That'd be ideal. Kev is not a patient man/woman though.

[ByeSonBusiness]

What's gonna be funny is when he ends up being a backup all because some people assume he's the best because they are jerking off to his...calf muscles?

[EC8CH]

What's gonna be funny is when he ends up being a backup all because some people assume he's the best because they are jerking off to his...calf muscles?

Last year was a little rough for me. Our QB couldn't scramble out of a wet paper bag. The sight of a recruit who is physically capable of running the ball may have made me a bit excited.

Also hahaha at him riding the bench his entire career.

[thebigund]

Let him sit a year or two. Why rush it?


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Have you seen his calves?