2021 Verbal: Cole Payton

[gavin2126]

Starting Wentz was the right call.
Covid Vaccines passed double blind trials.
Blaming false starts on QP taking a few snaps a game is silly.

Sorry if you are offended by truthful statements.

Blaming QP isn’t really all that silly. I was never that great at football in high school, but I was the backup QB in my 9 man team. Whenever I got into a game I would call out the snap in my usual cadence, and within a couple plays the defense was shouting out “be ready for the quick count!”

It’s a perfectly reasonable assumption to think that if it was reversed, and the offense was used to going on a quicker cadence, that it could be a reason for a false start when the QB with the slower cadence comes in. It’s also perfectly reasonable to expect any players on the field to be used to the difference in cadence between the two QB’s.

[56BISON73]

Blaming QP isn’t really all that silly. I was never that great at football in high school, but I was the backup QB in my 9 man team. Whenever I got into a game I would call out the snap in my usual cadence, and within a couple plays the defense was shouting out “be ready for the quick count!”

It’s a perfectly reasonable assumption to think that if it was reversed, and the offense was used to going on a quicker cadence, that it could be a reason for a false start when the QB with the slower cadence comes in. It’s also perfectly reasonable to expect any players on the field to be used to the difference in cadence between the two QB’s.

Again---Nobody is blaming QP perse for doing anything wrong. Anytime you have an action that requires vocal sounds to start that action and the sounds change
there might be some getting used to. Its just one cog in the wheel. If you have to many missing cogs-----------

[Kevin]

So anyway Cole should start.

On Friday.

[El_Chapo]

cmon guys. move the cadence and trick stuff to another thread.

this thread will be longer than Wentzs someday

[Kevin]

cmon guys. move the cadence and trick stuff to another thread.

this thread will be longer than Wentzs someday

You’re not in charge of us lakes.

[EC8CH]

cmon guys. move the cadence and trick stuff to another thread.

this thread will be longer than Wentzs someday

Thread will be thicker than Cole's calves.

[56BISON73]

So anyway Cole should start.

On Friday.

What happened to Jose?

[Kevin]

What happened to Jose?

He went doubly blind in a covid study.

[56BISON73]

He went doubly blind in a covid study.

Thats why he was so skinny and Lakes towel boy.

[CAS4127]

What happened to Jose?

Laughable: He went to a D2 school to finish his career, and anti-FCS/diss on D2 players Lakes is his biggest fan.

Can’t make this hilarious and pathetic shit up!

[El_Chapo]

Laughable: He went to a D2 school to finish his career, and anti-FCS/diss on D2 players Lakes is his biggest fan.

Can’t make this hilarious and pathetic shit up!

he beat Kansas & Montana St so shut your whore mouth.....

dammit now I gotta go find coles grandma

[OrygunBison]

he beat Kansas & Montana St so shut your whore mouth.....

dammit now I gotta go find coles grandma

Well, DJ McNorton beat Montana State. And in a 6-3 victory, I'm personally going to avoid calling any offensive player a world beater. The defense won that game. (Plus, KU was just awful that year.)

[stevdock]

Well, DJ McNorton beat Montana State. And in a 6-3 victory, I'm personally going to avoid calling any offensive player a world beater. The defense won that game. (Plus, KU was just awful that year.)

Plus it's Kansas football. Kansas.

[56BISON73]

he beat Kansas & Montana St so shut your whore mouth.....

dammit now I gotta go find coles grandma

Did you really bring up Kansas?????:D

[El_Chapo]

you guys are no fun....

[Kevin]

Watching MSU makes it even more obvious that Cole should be starting.

[23Bison]

Nope. The secret to a QB running the ball A LOT is throwing up 50/50 balls and actually having your WR/TE catching the ball to help move the chains. That’s all you need to know.

[Kevin]

Nope. The secret to a QB running the ball A LOT is throwing up 50/50 balls and actually having your WR/TE catching the ball to help move the chains. That’s all you need to know.

Nope.


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[EC8CH]

Nope.


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It's running THE RIGHT, or should I say lefty Quarterback.

[El_Chapo]

Kevin. I spent an hour w coles bro/family in hot tub after game.. pm me for info. your name & this thread was brought up without provocation.... hmmmmm

[El_Chapo]

Was talking to someone in frisco saturday night who believes that ALL 3 QB's are staying & Coaches will allow ALL 3 QB's to audition for starting job. I found that interesting & might actually benefit Cole Payton to be honest.

[Professor Chaos]

Kevin. I spent an hour w coles bro/family in hot tub after game.. pm me for info. your name & this thread was brought up without provocation.... hmmmmm
Chapo, grandmas, and hot tubs... a formula as tried and true as spaghetti, meatballs, and parmesian.

[HerdBot]

Was talking to someone in frisco saturday night who believes that ALL 3 QB's are staying & Coaches will allow ALL 3 QB's to audition for starting job. I found that interesting & might actually benefit Cole Payton to be honest.

Duh. Cole will be a Redshirt Freshman next year. When we signed him, I'm sure he anticipated sitting a few years behind Trey Lance.

[Professor Chaos]

Duh. Cole will be a Redshirt Freshman next year. When we signed him, I'm sure he anticipated sitting a few years behind Trey Lance.
When he signed Trey had already began his NFL prep. When he committed (May 2020) that wasn't a for sure thing but IIRC at that time the draft buzz around Trey and him leaving after the 2020 fall season that never happened was already very string.

[ByeSonBusiness]

When he signed Trey had already began his NFL prep. When he committed (May 2020) that wasn't a for sure thing but IIRC at that time the draft buzz around Trey and him leaving after the 2020 fall season that never happened was already very string.

Even if we ignore the Lance thing, he knew there was a guy here who was pretty highly recruited as well.

Then again, look at how FBS guys are doing things these days....oh...I didn't beat out the starter? Guess I'll transfer

[Minimum8Pete]

I'm definitely spooked that CP will leave. Gosh I hope not.
I am STOKED that QP is staying, but it would have made things alot less stressful in regards to keeping CP.

If CP doesnt get meaningful playing time this fall, I would look out for K-State to poach him. they just got Adrian Martinez for his least year in the transfer portal... after that?? Gotta imagine CP's phone has been ringing

[MankatoBison]

Anyone else's heart drop through the floor when they saw this thread trending?

Just me?

[EC8CH]

I'm definitely spooked that CP will leave. Gosh I hope not.
I am STOKED that QP is staying, but it would have made things alot less stressful in regards to keeping CP.

If CP doesnt get meaningful playing time this fall, I would look out for K-State to poach him. they just got Adrian Martinez for his least year in the transfer portal... after that?? Gotta imagine CP's phone has been ringing

Definitely a big concern now with the transfer portal. Maintaining a pipeline at QB is even more difficult.

[Minimum8Pete]

Somebody open the checkbook and get CP a killer NIL deal lol, we cant lose this kid

[2011BisonAlumni]

he beat Kansas & Montana St so shut your whore mouth.....

dammit now I gotta go find coles grandma

Because Kansas is a SUPER POWER and Montana State has really been proven a tough program to beat….

[Kevin]

Broseed will pay in safemoon.

Also lakes chilling with grandmas in the hot tub should be made into a bville NFT.

[2011BisonAlumni]

Kevin. I spent an hour w coles bro/family in hot tub after game.. pm me for info. your name & this thread was brought up without provocation.... hmmmmm

Lakes you can admit it now….you were just in the hot tub with Cole’s Grandma….not his bro/family.

[El_Chapo]

Lakes you can admit it now….you were just in the hot tub with Cole’s Grandma….not his bro/family.

LOL didn't see Cole's Grandma.... Mom/little brother.

[tolnabison]

I honestly figured QP would transfer to one of the FCS schools in Illinois (being from the Chicago area). Could have saw him starting at ISU-R, WIU, or Eastern Illinois next season. Which would have led Cole Payton into taking his reps as the running QB that Quincy had been playing the last half of the season. I was perfectly fine with this outcome. For all three of them to be back is great. Something has to give in my mind. All three are too competitive and too talented to sit a watch.

[NDSU92]

I honestly figured QP would transfer to one of the FCS schools in Illinois (being from the Chicago area). Could have saw him starting at ISU-R, WIU, or Eastern Illinois next season. Which would have led Cole Payton into taking his reps as the running QB that Quincy had been playing the last half of the season. I was perfectly fine with this outcome. For all three of them to be back is great. Something has to give in my mind. All three are too competitive and too talented to sit a watch.

Maybe they all have high character and want to play their part in helping their school win another championship?

QP could transfer to Illy State, but then he'd be the qb at Illy State. I'd rather have 5-10 snaps per game at NDSU.

[tolnabison]

Maybe they all have high character and want to play their part in helping their school win another championship?

QP could transfer to Illy State, but then he'd be the qb at Illy State. I'd rather have 5-10 snaps per game at NDSU.

Judging someone's character? Time out here. So you are saying that a player has a bad character if they want to improve their chances of starting by transferring to another school? Every person's character is different. It depends on what they want in life. Some want to start, some want to win. I wouldn't be judging anyones character based on transferring. Especially in a world where we have 1,000+ kids in the transfer portal. Hell Georgia's starting corner, hit the portal the day after they won the championship.

I was just saying I wouldn't have been surprised if he would have left. He would have an opportunity to start at one of those schools.

Myself, I am ready to see Cole Payton in some shape or form. I see in my eyes, that he could play QPs role as the running quarterback in our offense as a way to integrate him into our offense.

[HerdBot]

When he signed Trey had already began his NFL prep. When he committed (May 2020) that wasn't a for sure thing but IIRC at that time the draft buzz around Trey and him leaving after the 2020 fall season that never happened was already very string.

Cole verballed May 5th 2020. Trey declared for the NFL Draft Oct 6th after playing his last game on Oct 3rd. Cole signed the paperwork Dec 18, 2020

So he verballed before he declared and nobody through he would declare. It is still surprising

[Minimum8Pete]

Maybe they all have high character and want to play their part in helping their school win another championship?

QP could transfer to Illy State, but then he'd be the qb at Illy State. I'd rather have 5-10 snaps per game at NDSU.

I agree with the idea here, except for that it implies that CP or QP would have bad character if they chose to leave

Remember, QP CAME HERE... did he show bad character in that decision, but now that hes with us, he's back to being a good character kid again?

[MankatoBison]

Judging someone's character? Time out here. So you are saying that a player has a bad character if they want to improve their chances of starting by transferring to another school? Every person's character is different. It depends on what they want in life. Some want to start, some want to win. I wouldn't be judging anyones character based on transferring. Especially in a world where we have 1,000+ kids in the transfer portal. Hell Georgia's starting corner, hit the portal the day after they won the championship.

I was just saying I wouldn't have been surprised if he would have left. He would have an opportunity to start at one of those schools.

Myself, I am ready to see Cole Payton in some shape or form. I see in my eyes, that he could play QPs role as the running quarterback in our offense as a way to integrate him into our offense.

I quipped earlier in the season that I want a delta formation of Cole, Quincy, Luepke and T Williams. with max tight ends on the field. and see how many times we get their defensive coordinator to call time outs until they let us run the play

[EC8CH]

So if QP comes back for one more season and splits snaps with Cam, if he graduates after next year as a Senior, would CP possibly fill that roll and split snaps with Cam the following year?

CP hasn't used a season of eligibility yet I believe, so next year will be his redshirt freshman year and he could possibly be splitting snaps as a sophomore. That would get somewhat on track to a regular QB progression but requires playing two QB's for the next 2-3 years.

[NDSU92]

Judging someone's character? Time out here. So you are saying that a player has a bad character if they want to improve their chances of starting by transferring to another school? Every person's character is different. It depends on what they want in life. Some want to start, some want to win. I wouldn't be judging anyones character based on transferring. Especially in a world where we have 1,000+ kids in the transfer portal. Hell Georgia's starting corner, hit the portal the day after they won the championship.

I was just saying I wouldn't have been surprised if he would have left. He would have an opportunity to start at one of those schools.

Myself, I am ready to see Cole Payton in some shape or form. I see in my eyes, that he could play QPs role as the running quarterback in our offense as a way to integrate him into our offense.

Who said everyone who transfers has bad character? It surely wasn't me.

I know it's 2021 but try not to get offended by everything someone says lol. Thanks for the speech tho

[NDSU92]

I agree with the idea here, except for that it implies that CP or QP would have bad character if they chose to leave

Remember, QP CAME HERE... did he show bad character in that decision, but now that hes with us, he's back to being a good character kid again?

Never said transfers all have bad character. People transfer for all kinds of reasons.

Here's an example: a coach coming to tell you that you might as well transfer because you're buried on the depth chart or losing your scholarship. I bet it happens a lot more often than we think.

[tolnabison]

Maybe they all have high character and want to play their part in helping their school win another championship?

QP could transfer to Illy State, but then he'd be the qb at Illy State. I'd rather have 5-10 snaps per game at NDSU.


I agree with the idea here, except for that it implies that CP or QP would have bad character if they chose to leave

Remember, QP CAME HERE... did he show bad character in that decision, but now that hes with us, he's back to being a good character kid again?


Who said everyone who transfers has bad character? It surely wasn't me.

I know it's 2021 but try not to get offended by everything someone says lol. Thanks for the speech tho

You insinuated that by staying that makes them have high character by wanting to stay and not leave. And I am not the only one who thought you did.

I am not offended one bit. I am just saying hard to judge a person's character in the world of the transfer portal.

[blackdiamond2]

Side note - Both MSU and ISU got Minnesota Gopher QB transfers in last week.

Missouri State - Jacob Clark
Illinois Sate - Zach Annexstad

[Wolfie]

Side note - Both MSU and ISU got Minnesota Gopher QB transfers in last week.

Missouri State - Jacob Clark
Illinois Sate - Zach Annexstad

Can't even beat out garbage Tanner Morgan. Gross. I think Annexstad was a walk on though.
Morgan is below average on a good day, other than the 1 year he had 2 NFL receivers on his team.

**Edit to reflect that one was a walk on***

[BisonHorns]

I wish every job had a transfer portal.

[Wolfie]

I wish every job had a transfer portal.

Then there would just be a bunch of below average people thinking they can get a better job, when in reality, they would end up at Walmart.

[89MTBISON]

Then there would just be a bunch of below average people thinking they can get a better job, when in reality, they would end up at Walmart.

Or Hoople U.

[NDSU92]

You insinuated that by staying that makes them have high character by wanting to stay and not leave. And I am not the only one who thought you did.

I am not offended one bit. I am just saying hard to judge a person's character in the world of the transfer portal.

Sorry forgot this is Bisonville where people will spend time arguing with you about what you meant lol carry on

[EC8CH]

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[Bisonator98]

He needs to work on that release. Looks like he's throwing in slow motion talk about a wind up.

But those calves man.....

[EC8CH]

He needs to work on that release. Looks like he's throwing in slow motion talk about a wind up.

But those calves man.....

Like Popeyes forearms.

[Snowgoose]

Like Popeyes forearms.

We can sit and analyze Cole, but at this point we may never see him play much in a Bison uni if Cam keeps playing the way he did last year till his senior year. Cam played really well last year and if he improves some more this year look out.

[JohnnyExtacy]

We can sit and analyze Cole, but at this point we may never see him play much in a Bison uni if Cam keeps playing the way he did last year till his senior year. Cam played really well last year and if he improves some more this year look out.



Agreed. Wouldn't be surprised to see Cole transfer after next year if Cam keeps trending up.

[ZHerd]

We can sit and analyze Cole, but at this point we may never see him play much in a Bison uni if Cam keeps playing the way he did last year till his senior year. Cam played really well last year and if he improves some more this year look out.

Wouldn't Cole still have two years as starter?

[El_Chapo]

Cole could beat out Cam if coaches gave him 50% of the snaps in camp. having Quincy around ruins that

[tony]

Cole could beat out Cam if coaches gave him 50% of the snaps in camp. having Quincy around ruins that

Just out of curiosity, what kind of grade would you give Cam for the 2021 season?

I mean, to my untrained eye, that looked like an A grade.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Wouldn't Cole still have two years as starter?

If Cam uses all of his eligibility here Cole could have at most... one year.

[El_Chapo]

Just out of curiosity, what kind of grade would you give Cam for the 2021 season?

I mean, to my untrained eye, that looked like an A grade.

I was fine with cams 2021 season, I just think there's more upside playing cole

[steelbison]

I was fine with cams 2021 season, I just think there's more upside playing cole

Sorry going to agree to disagree. Peyton better athlete. Cam better QB at this point and it’s not close. Cam played great last year and got better as the year went in. He’s by far the more polished passer. Maybe they will use Cole like Quincy when he graduates.


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[Kevin]

Cole is going to start at some point before he's "supposed to". Might not be this year. Next definitely.

[SiouxHockeyBisonFo]

Cole is going to start at some point before he's "supposed to". Might not be this year. Next definitely.Not unless cam gets hurt or completely falls apart. Zero chance of an open competition if they keep winning.
Cole in a Quincy role with the added threat of a pass will be nice though in 2023.

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[Kevin]

Not unless cam gets hurt or completely falls apart. Zero chance of an open competition if they keep winning.
Cole in a Quincy role with the added threat of a pass will be nice though in 2023.

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Zero chance that there’s zero chance bro.

[Alsen]

Has anyone really seen enough of Cole Peyton to judge his ability? If you have, when was that? It's not rocket science, coaches have an obligation to everyone concerned to play the best players. There is no tenure in college football.

If Cole looks better in practice, he will be given a shot. If Quincy improves as a passer, he is obviously the more effective carrying the rock.

Entz strikes me as being very fair to his guys. If I were going to suspect a coach of leaning in one direction, it might Rohl pushing for the better ball carrier.

Cole is the one of the three that I could see in the NFL someday.

[EC8CH]

Has anyone really seen enough of Cole Peyton to judge his ability? If you have, when was that?

Calves bro... The calves.

[El_Chapo]

annndd here we go.

[Hammerhead]

annndd here we go.

It's better than threads about quarterback play last spring.

[EC8CH]

annndd here we go.

cp.... Qb 1.5

[HerdBot]

cp.... Qb 1.5

He can run like a deer, so yes. Good way to to ease him into things like we did with Quincy

[OrygunBison]

What prompted this new information?

[OrygunBison]

nevermind.

[EC8CH]

nevermind.

Clicked here before the QP thread huh?

[CAS4127]

He can run like a deer, so yes. Good way to to ease him into things like we did with Quincy

Are you attempting to re-write history? Good God!

[HerdBot]

Are you attempting to re-write history? Good God!

No but I didnt make myself very clear. Quincy started right away but the playbook was very limited. Less than 10 passes a game and more runs than passes. Most everything out of shotgun. Cole should at the very least be where Quincy was and Cam should continue to improve. But Cole is a great athlete and those calves lol

[El_Chapo]

Cole will start at some point this fall.

[southcliffbison]

We will have a Jensen/Wentz situation here; you don't pull the starter/winner of the previous national championship game for a "better" 2nd stringer unless said starter/winner starts losing or gets himself injured or comes down with some strange tropical disease.

[OrygunBison]

We will have a Jensen/Wentz situation here; you don't pull the starter/winner of the previous national championship game for a "better" 2nd stringer unless said starter/winner starts losing or gets himself injured or comes down with some strange tropical disease.

Q never lost a game but was replaced. Entz isn't as bullheaded as Bohl was when Wentz was on the bench. Also, I like Cam but he's no Brock Jensen.

[TransAmBison]

Q never lost a game but was replaced. Entz isn't as bullheaded as Bohl was when Wentz was on the bench. Also, I like Cam but he's no Brock Jensen.Cam can't run like Brock, but he is much more advanced than Brock was at this stage of his career. I'm a huge Brock supporter, but I have to admit his first couple years playing were not great. It wasn't until his senior year that he really turned it on.

[mtoutfitter]

Cam can't run like Brock, but he is much more advanced than Brock was at this stage of his career. I'm a huge Brock supporter, but I have to admit his first couple years playing were not great. It wasn't until his senior year that he really turned it on.

Pretty much what I was gonna say. Agree on this stage of their careers but I do think Cam is the better passer at this point of his career.

[Hammerhead]

We will have a Jensen/Wentz situation here; you don't pull the starter/winner of the previous national championship game for a "better" 2nd stringer unless said starter/winner starts losing or gets himself injured or comes down with some strange tropical disease.

Or a Wentz/Stick situation where you pull a QB who won 8 games for the previous starter who went something like 12 calendar weeks since his last start.

[EC8CH]

All prior examples are invalid. Cole's calves are without comparison.

[El_Chapo]

Cam can't run like Brock, but he is much more advanced than Brock was at this stage of his career. I'm a huge Brock supporter, but I have to admit his first couple years playing were not great. It wasn't until his senior year that he really turned it on.

the defense Brock had was insane.

[OrygunBison]

Pretty much what I was gonna say. Agree on this stage of their careers but I do think Cam is the better passer at this point of his career.

Certainly agree that Cam is the better passer of the two. However, Brock had "it" starting about the time that they played the goofs in 2011, still his soph year. As much as I like Cam, I don't see "it", although I can't place why? Not sure if Cole has "it" either but just commenting on intangibles being a part of the metric and the decision-making process of who's starting as a result.

[El_Chapo]

Certainly agree that Cam is the better passer of the two. However, Brock had "it" starting about the time that they played the goofs in 2011, still his soph year. As much as I like Cam, I don't see "it", although I can't place why? Not sure if Cole has "it" either but just commenting on intangibles being a part of the metric and the decision-making process of who's starting as a result.

Marcus Williams/Heagle had 14 points in that game though.. love Brock. But Defense was our calling card those few years.

I throw Cole out there Game 1 vs Drake (or give Cam drives 1 & 2 maybe) and see what we got. We can always fall back on Cam.

[OrygunBison]

Marcus Williams/Heagle had 14 points in that game though.. love Brock. But Defense was our calling card those few years.

I throw Cole out there Game 1 vs Drake (or give Cam drives 1 & 2 maybe) and see what we got. We can always fall back on Cam.

I understand that your mancrush had a great game but go back and watch the replay of the entire game. That is when Brock started playing differently, more commandingly.

[G_Funky]

Marcus Williams/Heagle had 14 points in that game though.. love Brock. But Defense was our calling card those few years.

I throw Cole out there Game 1 vs Drake (or give Cam drives 1 & 2 maybe) and see what we got. We can always fall back on Cam.

Put Cole out there early for meaningful reps and then pull him if he under performs? That sounds like an excellent way to get him mentally prepared. No way that could cause any sort of issues down the road.

[EC8CH]

Cole caught whoop the mvfc with one calf tied behind his back.

[Kevin]

New development: Kevin will no longer complain about the QB power play being run 12 times a game.

[EC8CH]

New development: Kevin will no longer complain about the QB power play being run 12 times a game.

3rd and Cole FTMFW!

[Kevin]

3rd and Cole FTMFW!

Can't wait until the first time he pulls that Trey Lance fake draw and nails someone on a slant off the left side.

Going to add a whole new nightmare for defenses on many fronts.

[EC8CH]

Can't wait until the first time he pulls that Trey Lance fake draw and nails someone on a slant off the left side.

Going to add a whole new nightmare for defenses on many fronts.

Like Rocky 2 he can train to throw right handed until he switched back to the southpaw in the fourth quarter... They'll never see it coming.

[steelbison]

Certainly agree that Cam is the better passer of the two. However, Brock had "it" starting about the time that they played the goofs in 2011, still his soph year. As much as I like Cam, I don't see "it", although I can't place why? Not sure if Cole has "it" either but just commenting on intangibles being a part of the metric and the decision-making process of who's starting as a result.

Couldn’t disagree more. Cam has it in spades.


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[bisonaudit]

Couldn’t disagree more. Cam has it in spades.


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Because the possession of it is a post hoc narrative construction it is impossible to have it before you’ve done anything.

[Alsen]

Cole Payton IS the next Steve Young. Believe it!

[Snowgoose]

Cole Payton IS the next Steve Young. Believe it!

Perfect comparison as Steve young sat behind a very less athletic Joe Montana for numerous years. The way Cam played last year may make Cole sit just like young and even Wentz had to.

[Kevin]

Perfect comparison as Steve young sat behind a very less athletic Joe Montana for numerous years. The way Cam played last year may make Cole sit just like young and even Wentz had to.

Have we really seen Cam have any "Joe Montana" like moments yet? Great game manager, doesn't make a lot of mistakes. That's awesome. But when shit hits the fan can get us out of it?

If the answer isn't a definitive yes then it should be an open competition all season.

[BisManBison]

Have we really seen Cam have any "Joe Montana" like moments yet? Great game manager, doesn't make a lot of mistakes. That's awesome. But when shit hits the fan can get us out of it?

If the answer isn't a definitive yes then it should be an open competition all season.

Missouri State game? We were dead in the water offensively until he came in.

[Kevin]

Missouri State game? We were dead in the water offensively until he came in.

Never heard of them bro.

[gavin2126]

Missouri State game? We were dead in the water offensively until he came in.He also led a TD drive against JMU right after they took the lead to get momentum back.

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[southcliffbison]

He also led a TD drive against JMU right after they took the lead to get momentum back.

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Never heard of them, bro......

[Kevin]

JM who bro?

[EC8CH]

JM who bro?

Probably a team as successful against NDSU as Sam Whoston.

[MankatoBison]

JM who bro?

Brian McLaughlin has entered the chat....

[El_Chapo]

Get EC8CH a dirty sock...lol

this is Fire..

https://www.instagram.com/p/CgzfuprOdWd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[EC8CH]

Get EC8CH a dirty sock...lol

this is Fire..

https://www.instagram.com/p/CgzfuprOdWd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Lots of calf shots.

[HerdBot]

Get EC8CH a dirty sock...lol

this is Fire..

https://www.instagram.com/p/CgzfuprOdWd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

6-3, 230 with speed. Assuming Cam starts, no way he doesn't get snaps like Quincy did because he's a perfect change up to Cam.

[bri-dog]

Yes, Cole put on 9 lbs since the start of last year. That's 4.5 lbs/calf...

[EC8CH]

Yes, Cole put on 9 lbs since the start of last year. That's 4.5 lbs/calf...

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[El_Chapo]

ec8ch. calm down https://instagram.com/stories/colepayton9/2900779717272686397?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

[EC8CH]

ec8ch. calm down https://instagram.com/stories/colepayton9/2900779717272686397?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Those sweet calves are locked behind and insta login and here I am without an account :(

[Kevin]

Watching the UGA spring game and can’t help but notice the parallels between Stetson Bennett and cam Miller.

[El_Chapo]

if NDSU coaches allowed Quincy friggin Patterson to have packages and a big role along side Cam. then there is zero reason NOT to do the same with Cole.

he should get alot of playtime this year.

[WeAreThePride]

if NDSU coaches allowed Quincy friggin Patterson to have packages and a big role along side Cam. then there is zero reason NOT to do the same with Cole.

he should get alot of playtime this year.

If you have two quarterbacks you don’t have a quarterback.

[Bison Dan]

If you have two quarterbacks you don’t have a quarterback.

I think that statement was proved false by the Bison last year.

[scottietohottie]

I can't think of a single team that only has one qb on the roster.

[mtoutfitter]

if NDSU coaches allowed Quincy friggin Patterson to have packages and a big role along side Cam. then there is zero reason NOT to do the same with Cole.

he should get alot of playtime this year.

But But the "Quincy friggin Patterson" you refer to was a 4 star recruit.....How can this be??

[17>1]

I think that statement was proved false by the Bison last year.

Agreed! I think the timing of Quincy's shoulder injury in the Missouri State game was a blessing in disguise. Cam got starting duties moving forward and Quincy was basically only coming in to run the ball....or rolling out into the flat for a pass lol. Watching Quincy come in and rumble down the sidelines for 40 plus yards in the title game was awesome!!!

Looking forward to what Cole will bring to this offense. Not only has he proven he can run the ball, me thinks he'll be a better passer than Quincy was so having to respect that part of his game too will give defenses nightmares.

I'm getting pretty pumped for Bison football.

Go Bison!

[Hammerhead]

Agreed! I think the timing of Quincy's shoulder injury in the Missouri State game was a blessing in disguise. Cam got starting duties moving forward and Quincy was basically only coming in to run the ball....or rolling out into the flat for a pass lol. Watching Quincy come in and rumble down the sidelines for 40 plus yards in the title game was awesome!!!

Looking forward to what Cole will bring to this offense. Not only has he proven he can run the ball, me thinks he'll be a better passer than Quincy was so having to respect that part of his game too will give defenses nightmares.

I'm getting pretty pumped for Bison football.

Go Bison!

Same here. I'm hoping Cole gets some playing time in the opener so we can see him in action. The first time I saw Trey Lance in a game I knew he would be the front runner for the starting job after Easton.

[HerdBot]

if NDSU coaches allowed Quincy friggin Patterson to have packages and a big role along side Cam. then there is zero reason NOT to do the same with Cole.

he should get alot of playtime this year.

I agree. He's a 230 pound guy with speed and the fact he is a lefty can create some unique wrinkles teams will have to prep for

[Herd]

I agree. He's a 230 pound guy with speed and the fact he is a lefty can create some unique wrinkles teams will have to prep for

We could have won title 10 (18) by starting Q this year and not throw a pass all season, he was that good running the ball. We will miss Q, so your damn right there better be a CP package.

[scottietohottie]

Hunter Luepke wildcat formation on third and long eh.

[scottietohottie]

You run it on first and second down you don't have 3rd downs. Better save it until the playoffs.

[ByeSonBusiness]

if NDSU coaches allowed Quincy friggin Patterson to have packages and a big role along side Cam. then there is zero reason NOT to do the same with Cole.

he should get alot of playtime this year.

If he's as good as people think he is, I'm sure they'll have a package for him.

[Bisman]

If he's as good as people think he is, I'm sure they'll have a package for him.

Coaches already said they will have a package for Cole.

[El_Chapo]

We could have won title 10 (18) by starting Q this year and not throw a pass all season, he was that good running the ball. We will miss Q, so your damn right there better be a CP package.

his baby mama's will miss him too.. he was like Temple? that's a long ways from Fargo!
Cole is prepared to stay here 4 years, I don't see him leaving after the convo's i've had, good family and Cam's Family is awesome too, his dad being a coach helps! we are blessed here for the next few years

[BFKasper14]

his baby mama's will miss him too.. he was like Temple? that's a long ways from Fargo!
Cole is prepared to stay here 4 years, I don't see him leaving after the convo's i've had, good family and Cam's Family is awesome too, his dad being a coach helps! we are blessed here for the next few years

The kiss of death…might as well start saying our goodbyes now


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[Alsen]

It is my opinion that Cole is being immensely underrated on this forum. He may very well become the greatest Bison QB of all time.

[Herd]

It is my opinion that Cole is being immensely underrated on this forum. He may very well become the greatest Bison QB of all time.

I said I hope they put Cole in periodically with his own play package. That’s more than Carson got for 3 years. So no, I’m not discounting his ability. Lot bigger upside than current starter, just like 11.

[Kevin]

Saying that Wentz had a lot bigger upside than Jensen (at the collegiate level) is a stretch. People forget how good Jensen really was.

This is a bit different situation. Love Miller Time but it's night and day difference. If CP can complete the short routes and manage reads he should be the starter. He has all the intangibles that QP had, QP just couldn't do that shit. At all.

At the very least I hope they keep the third and quincy package and just make it third and cole.

[EC8CH]

It is my opinion that Cole is being immensely underrated on this forum. He may very well become the greatest Bison QB of all time.

The calves don't lie.

[steelbison]

It is my opinion that Cole is being immensely underrated on this forum. He may very well become the greatest Bison QB of all time.

[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]. I’ve read some funny shit on this board. This is by far the most outrageous.


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[steelbison]

I said I hope they put Cole in periodically with his own play package. That’s more than Carson got for 3 years. So no, I’m not discounting his ability. Lot bigger upside than current starter, just like 11.

Says who? Cam Miller is by far the better QB. Miller for some odd reason does t get the credit he deserves. He’s a really good QB.


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[steelbison]

Saying that Wentz had a lot bigger upside than Jensen (at the collegiate level) is a stretch. People forget how good Jensen really was.

This is a bit different situation. Love Miller Time but it's night and day difference. If CP can complete the short routes and manage reads he should be the starter. He has all the intangibles that QP had, QP just couldn't do that shit. At all.

At the very least I hope they keep the third and quincy package and just make it third and cole.

You guys really need to lay off the drugs. Seriously.


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[scottietohottie]

You guys really need to lay off the drugs. Seriously.


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Sounds like a recession.

[CAS4127]

if NDSU coaches allowed Quincy friggin Patterson to have packages and a big role along side Cam. then there is zero reason NOT to do the same with Cole.
he should get alot of playtime this year.

The greater than Zero reason is that we had CP AS a backup to QP and Miller. We dont have that backup at this point. But run the shit out of your QB2 without a legit QB3? I’m thinking our coaches are a bit smarter than that.

[El_Chapo]

Says who? Cam Miller is by far the better QB. Miller for some odd reason does t get the credit he deserves. He’s a really good QB.


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how do we know?
Cole is bigger, faster, more fluid throwing motion.
Cam is a solid QB that hasn't made tok many mistakes.

good position for NDSU to be in.

[Kevin]

You guys really need to lay off the drugs. Seriously.


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Don’t @ me and threaten our barn empire bro

No one’s quitting anything.

[EC8CH]

The greater than Zero reason is that we had CP AS a backup to QP and Miller. We dont have that backup at this point. But run the shit out of your QB2 without a legit QB3? I’m thinking our coaches are a bit smarter than that.

Luepke wildcat offense is QB3

2 TE 3 FB... Crew Chief Full House

[El_Chapo]

Luepke wildcat offense is QB3

2 TE 3 FB... Crew Chief Full House

ooooh I likey

[steelbison]

how do we know?
Cole is bigger, faster, more fluid throwing motion.
Cam is a solid QB that hasn't made tok many mistakes.

good position for NDSU to be in.

More fluid throwing motion? Says who? Maybe go watch him throw. Unless he has improved not even close.


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[reformedUNDfan]

This is like when Michigan fans wanted Brady benched in favor of some hot prospect.

Your all nuts.

[Kevin]

This is like when Michigan fans wanted Brady benched in favor of some hot prospect.

Your all nuts.

you're comparing cam miller to the greatest qb of all time.

and we're nuts

[EC8CH]

you're comparing cam miller to the greatest qb of all time.

and we're nuts

We no nuts, weez cwazy!

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[El_Chapo]

you're comparing cam miller to the greatest qb of all time.

and we're nuts

#Pwned .... haha

[Alsen]

This is like when Michigan fans wanted Brady benched in favor of some hot prospect.

Your all nuts.

No.....This is like when the 49ers moved on from Joe Montana because they knew they were holding back something even greater. Now, am I comparing Cole to Steve Young? Well, maybe.

Keep in mind that Steve Young was almost moved to DB early in his time at BYU because of his size and his struggles throwing the football.

IMO, if Cole actually gets some real game experience, he will quickly surpass the competition and begin his ascent.

[reformedUNDfan]

you're comparing cam miller to the greatest qb of all time.

and we're nuts

Ya'll are blind. Cam was running the offense as well as anyone ever here. What was he, a 69% passer last year? 5 to 1 turnover ratio?

He was a mile ahead of stick or Jensen at the same point.

[MankatoBison]

Ya'll are blind. Cam was running the offense as well as anyone ever here. What was he, a 69% passer last year? 5 to 1 turnover ratio?

He was a mile ahead of stick or Jensen at the same point.

Great point, he really is miles ahead passing than both stick and Jensen at the same point. But each stick and Jensen were absolute headaches with their legs, and Cam is not.

[reformedUNDfan]

Great point, he really is miles ahead passing than both stick and Jensen at the same point. But each stick and Jensen were absolute headaches with their legs, and Cam is not.

He had 280 yards rushing in 7 games. He's about as quick as Jensen.

You're all blind to how ridiculously good Cam is.

[MankatoBison]

He had 280 yards rushing in 7 games. He's about as quick as Jensen.

You're all blind to how ridiculously good Cam is.

Jensen had many 20+ Yd runs, Cam will not. Cam will not rip the 40ish yd run in GSU1, hes not going to sneak it in like Brock in KSU. I'm not knocking the kid, I think hes all american good, But its not wrong to say "Brock was a better runner" lol

Dont get me wrong, Its not like Brock was like a gazelle out there, but the guy had multiple 50+ Yd runs. How many QBs have multiple 50 YD runs? We didnt run him like stick or Lance or anything, but when the guy had a designed run (which was rare), It usually hit and hit fairly big.

Cam is a better thrower than Brock and this point -by leaps and bounds- which is far more important for a QB, and Brock was a better runner

[OrygunBison]

You're all blind to how ridiculously good Cam is.

For what it's worth, I was blind to Brock until the KState game. That was after MANY good games from him.

[Rixen]

He had 280 yards rushing in 7 games. He's about as quick as Jensen.

You're all blind to how ridiculously good Cam is.

Haha, you're probably right and I hope you are. We just had 3 QBs get drafted and are excited for Cole Payton so we are spoiled rotten. The next big thing is likely already under center. Here's hopin'!

[Kevin]

Even if Cam runs as well as Brock and Stick he's not built like them.

I hope CP gets the same reps that QP did to take the load off Miller. Even if it's horribly predictable (but maybe less so because CP can presumably complete a medium range pass).

[Rixen]

Even if Cam runs as well as Brock and Stick he's not built like them.

I hope CP gets the same reps that QP did to take the load off Miller. Even if it's horribly predictable (but maybe less so because CP can presumably complete a medium range pass).

While I think you are mostly right it isn't like their builds are tooooo far off (6'1 212 vs 6'2 221). That extra size certainly doesn't hurt but I think Easton's shiftiness, as shown at the combine, was his trump card. Easton was fast and had decent bulk but it seemed like he never got trucked.

All that is to say, I pretty much agree with you. I want to see Cole in there plenty. One, it takes the physical toll off of Cam but it also keeps Cole integrated in the offense and just progresses his feel for the game. When his time comes he will have that leg (calf) up.

[Hammerhead]

I predict he will be in the game after the first series in the second half and might get some work with the first teamers before that when we are up 35-0 after one quarter vs. Drake.



While I think you are mostly right it isn't like their builds are tooooo far off (6'1 212 vs 6'2 221). That extra size certainly doesn't hurt but I think Easton's shiftiness, as shown at the combine, was his trump card. Easton was fast and had decent bulk but it seemed like he never got trucked.

All that is to say, I pretty much agree with you. I want to see Cole in there plenty. One, it takes the physical toll off of Cam but it also keeps Cole integrated in the offense and just progresses his feel for the game. When his time comes he will have that leg (calf) up.

[bajadanny]

Stick took a bearing in the Iowa game

[SDbison]

Need to get Cole in the game when he can run the entire offense. None of this hand off every down shit! We need to get to 24-0 in the Drake game by end of 1st quarter and then put Cole in so he can take us to 45-0 by halftime. Have Cole run the option for awhile........that would be awesome!

[CAS4127]

Need to get Cole in the game when he can run the entire offense. None of this hand off every down shit! We need to get to 24-0 in the Drake game by end of 1st quarter and then put Cole in so he can take us to 45-0 by halftime. Have Cole run the option for awhile........that would be awesome!

This, plus people comparing Cam’s rushing to Jenson and Stick are not factoring in that neither of them had to deal with bringing in QP for running reps, cuz we didn’t have that option with them.

[gavin2126]

For what it's worth, I was blind to Brock until the KState game. That was after MANY good games from him.

Other than some of the playoff games, I'm kind of oblivious to what Brock was like pre 2013 too. How would people compare the way Brock ran the ball in 2010 to the way Cam ran the ball last year? That would be comparing the 2 of them at the same point of their careers.


Need to get Cole in the game when he can run the entire offense. None of this hand off every down shit! We need to get to 24-0 in the Drake game by end of 1st quarter and then put Cole in so he can take us to 45-0 by halftime. Have Cole run the option for awhile........that would be awesome!

I hope your assuming 3 TD's plus 3 2-point conversions, because if Drake holds us to a FG at any point Chapo is firing up the Fire Roehl thread.

[17>1]

Man, who else agrees that Bisonville just gets better when football season rolls around?!!!

On the discussion of running QBs, got me thinking of the QBs we've been chatting about and some of their big runs they had in the last ~12 years or so. Here are some of my favorites!

Jensen - Flu game against GSU and the big run for a TD. This run showed he had some deceptively good speed. 4th and Goal to send us to Frisco. KSU for the win!
Moehler - For Chapo, big run against MSU in 2010 playoffs.....did it go for 6? I can't remember.
Wentz - He literally jumped over a LB at ISU. When he trucked that DB from Youngstown at the goal line. JSU title game shifty little run to his left for 6.
Stick - Iowa, first play on the game winning drive....QB running like a RB. EWU title game clincher. That game in the dome against SDSU where we just curb stomped them and he was running all over the place.
Lance - USD in yellow helmet, yellow pant and white jersey combo which looks sick btw, picks the ball up off the ground and runs it in from like 30ish yards out. JMU 55 yarder in the title game.
QP - Rumble down the sidelines against MSU in the title game for 40+
Miller - See QP above lol

[BisManBison]

First year gross rushing stat comparison between Cam and Brock. Who is who?

ATT. YDS. TD

68. 319. 4
69. 325. 4

It seems those saying Brock was a much better runner remember JR/SR Brock v FR/SO Brock.

[17>1]

First year gross rushing stat comparison between Cam and Brock. Who is who?

ATT. YDS. TD

68. 319. 4
69. 325. 4

It seems those saying Brock was a much better runner remember JR/SR Brock v FR/SO Brock.

I remember a young Brock Jensen at Montana State 2010 hurting his shoulder and coming out of the game. Can't remember for sure though if it was a run play or scramble situation, or if he got sacked. Feel like it was a run play and they were inside the 10 yard line or so. Regarding your point, I'm sure there was a significant difference between those 2 sets of years for Brock.

[OrygunBison]

In 2010, I remember thinking that Brock might be a bit too fragile to be a QB for NDSU. He was hit and miss all season due to injury that year. Kind of seems like an absurd notion given how his NDSU career actually went.

[Professor Chaos]

Brock was nowhere near the runner that Wentz, Stick, and Lance were. They utilized him a lot at the goal line though which I think leads us to think he was more of a runner than he was because he's got some iconic TD runs. Cam could follow a similar trajectory as a runner if he adds a few more pounds although I still don't see him being the goal line threat that Brock was.

[BisonCardinal]

In 2010, I remember thinking that Brock might be a bit too fragile to be a QB for NDSU. He was hit and miss all season due to injury that year. Kind of seems like an absurd notion given how his NDSU career actually went.

This. My wife and I called him Porcelain. Fortunately, he came around and became one of NDSU's greats. Good on him.

[El_Chapo]

Start Cole. Bench Cam.

we ain't throwing the ball anyways

[scottietohottie]

we ain't throwing the ball anyways

I'd sure like to know why.

[mtoutfitter]

I'd sure like to know why.

Maybe because P Sproles can't get open? You know the guy that a certain poster was pumping up about breaking all the receiving records at NDSU.

[El_Chapo]

it's time. start Cole

[reformedUNDfan]

it's time. start Cole

Cam was 10/12 today bro

[EC8CH]

I'd sure like to know why.

I feel there is a lack in trust in our QBs. No attempt across the middle. Very conservative pass play calling. Maybe was just the strategy for this game. Has worked before, almost worked tonight.

[NDSU_grad]

I feel there is a lack in trust in our QBs. No attempt across the middle. Very conservative pass play calling. Maybe was just the strategy for this game. Has worked before, almost worked tonight.
Cam doesn’t have a very strong arm and our receivers can’t get separation. Given that, the playcalling last night was close to as perfect as you’re going to see.

[Bisonator98]

Really thought they were gonna let Cole throw one in this game. Why bring him in of all you're going to do is run him teams are all over that now gotta let him throw it at some point.

[scottietohottie]

Really thought they were gonna let Cole throw one in this game. Why bring him in of all you're going to do is run him teams are all over that now gotta let him throw it at some point.

Saving that for sdsu eh. Lol. That was a real head scratcher. Like I said last night he better start working on kick passes if he can't throw.

[EC8CH]

Saving that for sdsu eh. Lol. That was a real head scratcher. Like I said last night he better start working on kick passes if he can't throw.

Asu QB would be great at that. Punted a ball from midfield into the 7 row on the sidelines into a students hands.

[EC8CH]

Really thought they were gonna let Cole throw one in this game. Why bring him in of all you're going to do is run him teams are all over that now gotta let him throw it at some point.

Both him and Cole were given much responsibility in the passing game. Really nothing over the middle or straight drop back. Seemed like they didn't want to give them a chance to make a mistake.

[HerdBot]

Cole is dynamic AF running the ball, but the Shotgun QB power was so predictable. Even an AZ defender said he knew that was a QB power. He was clearly a threat on the edge. But if your not going the throw every once in a while, it's predictable

[EC8CH]

I really really hope Cole sticks it out here.

[ByeSonBusiness]

I really really hope Cole sticks it out here.

Eh, don't dwell on it. If he does, he does. If he doesn't, he doesn't.

[EC8CH]

Eh, don't dwell on it. If he does, he does. If he doesn't, he doesn't.

You see my avatar... I'm invested.

[ByeSonBusiness]

You see my avatar... I'm invested.

I'm on mobile. Had to zoom in! In that case, he must stay. For the sake of your BV avatar. Kids these days...

[El_Chapo]

Start Cole 2nd half

4-8 21 yards and INT isn't a good look for a NDSU QB

[JohnnyExtacy]

Meh, from what I've seen with Payton, he's a good player but there is nothing there to warrant starting over Miller at this time.

[El_Chapo]

Meh, from what I've seen with Payton, he's a good player but there is nothing there to warrant starting over Miller at this time.

Let his Cannon LOOSE.

[El_Chapo]

pretty sure Cole Can do better than this

NDSU ranks 112th out of 123 teams in the FCS in passing offense at 120 yards per game

[KSBisonFan]

pretty sure Cole Can do better than this

NDSU ranks 112th out of 123 teams in the FCS in passing offense at 120 yards per game

So Cole is going to audible out of the running play the coach called just so he can bump up our passing stats. Sounds reasonable.

[JMB]

pretty sure Cole Can do better than this

NDSU ranks 112th out of 123 teams in the FCS in passing offense at 120 yards per game

We are also 5th in rushing averaging 6.1 yards per carry.

[EC8CH]

Meh, from what I've seen with Payton, he's a good player but there is nothing there to warrant starting over Miller at this time.

Peep the avatar broseph...

[Herd]

pretty sure Cole Can do better than this

NDSU ranks 112th out of 123 teams in the FCS in passing offense at 120 yards per game

That stat is just about as important as where we rank for . . . “Home Wins in Outdoor Stadiums”. WTH

[OrygunBison]

pretty sure Cole Can do better than this

NDSU ranks 112th out of 123 teams in the FCS in passing offense at 120 yards per game

Dude, you lost all credibility on pumping up QBs back when Jose Mohler was on the roster.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Dude, you lost all credibility on pumping up QBs back when Jose Mohler was on the roster.

Quoted for truth.

[EC8CH]

Quoted for truth.

Cole ain't no Jose

[El_Chapo]

we need a passing game. Cole helps that

[ByeSonBusiness]

we need a passing game. Cole helps that

How does he do that

[Wolfie]

How does he do that

Chapo saw him throw in spring ball in 7 on 7 drills.
Same thing as a real game, no difference.
He saw the same spark of passing greatness with Jose Mohler and Nick Mertens too. (he just chooses to forget that)

[El_Chapo]

Chapo saw him throw in spring ball in 7 on 7 drills.
Same thing as a real game, no difference.
He saw the same spark of passing greatness with Jose Mohler and Nick Mertens too. (he just chooses to forget that)

I was on Lance in HS and I wanted Wentz over Brock

[Kevin]

I was on Lance in HS and I wanted Wentz over Brock

Wentz over Brock would have been a mistake bro. And you were only anti Brock because it proved you were wrong about Jose which was a cover to the fact that u were wrong about mertens.

[bruinbison]

YSU game - Cam Miller 13-18 (72%) 145 yards, 0 TD’s, 0 INT’s, 2 sacks

Against Arizona Miller was 10-12, 124 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT’s, 2 sacks

[SDbison]

YSU game - Cam Miller 13-18 (72%) 145 yards, 0 TD’s, 0 INT’s, 2 sacks

Against Arizona Miller was 10-12, 124 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT’s, 2 sacks How many games has Miller carried the team and led a comeback win?

[NDSU92]

How many games has Miller carried the team and led a comeback win?

How many games have we not needed to come back in because of a highly functioning offense?

[Honeybooboo]

YSU game - Cam Miller 13-18 (72%) 145 yards, 0 TD’s, 0 INT’s, 2 sacks

Against Arizona Miller was 10-12, 124 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT’s, 2 sacks

1 fumble.......

[SDbison]

How many games have we not needed to come back in because of a highly functioning offense? Highly functioning offense? Lol

[NDSU92]

Highly functioning offense? Lol

We averaged 34 points per game last year, with our largest margins of victory happening during conference games that Cam was in. He was one of the most (if not literally the most efficient quarterback in the country last year. Look it up. He's not perfect but wow. If we were having to come back all the time you'd be ragging on him for that instead.

Win by too much? Complain
Win by not enough? Complain
Lose? You guessed it

[G_Funky]

We averaged 34 points per game last year, with our largest margins of victory happening during conference games that Cam was in. He was one of the most (if not literally the most efficient quarterback in the country last year. Look it up. He's not perfect but wow. If we were having to come back all the time you'd be ragging on him for that instead.

Win by too much? Complain
Win by not enough? Complain
Lose? You guessed it

And we're averaging nearly 37 this year. I just do not understand people's blatant disregard for objective data. He protects the ball and is efficient. Im not sure what else you would want from the guy.

[SDbison]

And we're averaging nearly 37 this year. I just do not understand people's blatant disregard for objective data. He protects the ball and is efficient. Im not sure what else you would want from the guy. lol on the 37. Two of 5 games were against cupcakes.

[EC8CH]

lol on the 37. Two of 5 games were against cupcakes.

Sometimes you have a point, now is one of those times.

[NDSU92]

lol on the 37. Two of 5 games were against cupcakes.

And three of the five games we shut it down at halftime...

You're the one complaining that he doesn't have any comebacks (he does) to his name

[gavin2126]

And three of the five games we shut it down at halftime...

You're the one complaining that he doesn't have any comebacks (he does) to his name

Trey Lance never had any comebacks either, what a pud!

[GreenfieldBison]

And we're averaging nearly 37 this year. I just do not understand people's blatant disregard for objective data. He protects the ball and is efficient. Im not sure what else you would want from the guy.

You don’t believe people’s disregard for objective data?? I think the evidence of this very common malady is ubiquitous and resplendent of late. Eh?

But, put me down as a member of the “Cam is the man” club

[HerdBot]

We averaged 34 points per game last year, with our largest margins of victory happening during conference games that Cam was in. He was one of the most (if not literally the most efficient quarterback in the country last year. Look it up. He's not perfect but wow. If we were having to come back all the time you'd be ragging on him for that instead.

Win by too much? Complain
Win by not enough? Complain
Lose? You guessed it

Cam was very efficient last year and probably saved the season, but it feels like he's not taking his game to the next level. I remember thinking the same thing about Easton his 2nd year starting. It may not be a fair comparison because he really hasn't played that many games

[scottietohottie]

I'm sure both of these guys will dud out fine in the NFL just like the rest of them eh.

[El_Chapo]

do you think Cole Payton throws for more than 125 yards per game thru 5 games?

[scottietohottie]

do you think Cole Payton throws for more than 125 yards per game thru 5 games?

Not on this team. Not with these receivers eh

[tolnabison]

do you think Cole Payton throws for more than 125 yards per game thru 5 games?


Not on this team. Not with these receivers eh

Ding ding! Only one WR currently getting consistent separation and that's DJ Hart (wish we would use him more). I really expected more out of Raja Nelson. Sproles might be the most over decorated NDSU player in years.

[scottietohottie]

Ding ding! Only one WR currently getting consistent separation and that's DJ Hart (wish we would use him more). I really expected more out of Raja Nelson. Sproles might be the most over decorated NDSU player in years.

Lakes won't admit the receivers suck because he might lose 2 or 3 Twitter and tik tok friends eh so he blames Cam and Tyler.

[NDSU92]

Cam was very efficient last year and probably saved the season, but it feels like he's not taking his game to the next level. I remember thinking the same thing about Easton his 2nd year starting. It may not be a fair comparison because he really hasn't played that many games

Bot, what do you expect him to do? What does “taking his game to the next level” mean.

He doesn’t have the skill position players that SDSU has.

[NDSU_grad]

Not on this team. Not with these receivers eh
This is the correct answer.

[El_Chapo]

This is the correct answer.

meh Tyler Roehl don't trust

[OrygunBison]

Not on this team. Not with these running backs eh

FIFY. To me, the reason for less exciting passing stats is right in front of our faces.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Dropped a dime to Luepke by the end zone. I dont think the issue is Cam's inability to throw the ball down the field.

[SiouxHockeyBisonFo]

Dropped a dime to Luepke by the end zone. I dont think the issue is Cam's inability to throw the ball down the field.Agreed. He's doing what is asked of him. How can people bitch when he completes 70% of his passes. He's not calling the gd plays. Although not overly exciting, the offense has been efficient and effective.

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[NDSU92]

Agreed. He's doing what is asked of him. How can people bitch when he completes 70% of his passes. He's not calling the gd plays. Although not overly exciting, the offense has been efficient and effective.

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I'm pretty sure the reason for the complaining isn't team, player or coach performance. It's the fact that some people just need to complain.

Which is fine for me because I feel the need to argue against bad arguments :)

[Jim Puetz]

We are 4-1 correct?

[mtoutfitter]

We are 4-1 correct?

SSSHHHHHHH. Don't use common sense here.

[El_Chapo]

We are 4-1 correct?

Yea and we are 153-13 we demand perfection since we are fcs

[Alsen]

I will always lobby for Cole Payton to be the starter; not because Cam isn't a good QB, but for the fact that Cole has the potential to be the best QB who ever put on a Bison uniform.

If the Bison had a more offensive minded coaching staff and an OC that was a pass game expert, sky is the limit. Could happen. Entz wins another championship he probably gets an offer or two.

Cole has an elite group of receivers in the pipeline. WR recruiting has been exceptionally excellent that last couple years. Real talent.

[OrygunBison]

...but for the fact that Cole has the potential to be the best QB who ever put on a Bison uniform.



Based on WHAT?!?!?!? I have no idea what you guys are basing this on. Cole seems like a decent dude and is certainly athletic but unless somebody has seen him play several actual college games in a parallel universe where he's the starter and has been absolutely crushing it, you are full of shit. There's absolutely nothing - NOT A FUCKING THING - that justifies such hyperbole.

Good lord. WTF?!?

After reading similar hyperbole about Zeb and then Quincy before the on-field product ultimately disappointed. I'm never going to believe you fuckers again.

[Jim Puetz]

After reading similar hyperbole about Zeb and then Quincy before the on-field product ultimately disappointed. I'm never going to believe you fuckers again.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget Jose Mohler as well. Pimped a ton by one of the greatest football minds never who doesn't even have to watch a game to give a hot take on how a former Bison lineman performed in his second game.

[mtoutfitter]

After reading similar hyperbole about Zeb and then Quincy before the on-field product ultimately disappointed. I'm never going to believe you fuckers again.

Don't forget Jose Mohler as well. Pimped a ton by one of the greatest football minds never who doesn't even have to watch a game to give a hot take on how a former Bison lineman performed in his second game.[/QUOTE]

I really like your new hobby. :)

[El_Chapo]

After reading similar hyperbole about Zeb and then Quincy before the on-field product ultimately disappointed. I'm never going to believe you fuckers again.

Don't forget Jose Mohler as well. Pimped a ton by one of the greatest football minds never who doesn't even have to watch a game to give a hot take on how a former Bison lineman performed in his second game.[/QUOTE]

that was 11 years ago, it was a shtick noob

We can talk offensive strategy on the Roehl thread.

[EC8CH]

Based on WHAT?!?!?!?
calf circumference

[Bisonator98]

Based on WHAT?!?!?!? I have no idea what you guys are basing this on. Cole seems like a decent dude and is certainly athletic but unless somebody has seen him play several actual college games in a parallel universe where he's the starter and has been absolutely crushing it, you are full of shit. There's absolutely nothing - NOT A FUCKING THING - that justifies such hyperbole.

Good lord. WTF?!?

After reading similar hyperbole about Zeb and then Quincy before the on-field product ultimately disappointed. I'm never going to believe you fuckers again.

This, all of this!:nod:

[EC8CH]

This, all of this!:nod:

Go back and look. I was concerned over Quincy's thin calves from the jump.

[Jim Puetz]

Don't forget Jose Mohler as well. Pimped a ton by one of the greatest football minds never who doesn't even have to watch a game to give a hot take on how a former Bison lineman performed in his second game.

that was 11 years ago, it was a shtick noob

We can talk offensive strategy on the Roehl thread.[/QUOTE]

And for 11 years your shtick hasn't changed/improved/gotten more interesting or relevant/etc. Keep up the great work trolling this fan site while every Saturday you cheer for your offensive powerhouse team, Sam Houston State.

[Grizzled]

I will always lobby for Cole Payton to be the starter; not because Cam isn't a good QB, but for the fact that Cole has the potential to be the best QB who ever put on a Bison uniform.

If the Bison had a more offensive minded coaching staff and an OC that was a pass game expert, sky is the limit. Could happen. Entz wins another championship he probably gets an offer or two.

Cole has an elite group of receivers in the pipeline. WR recruiting has been exceptionally excellent that last couple years. Real talent.

There is plenty of opportunity for a WR to see time this year regardless of age

[RonMexico]

Cole is such an incredible passer that every time the bring him into the game, all they do it let him run.

[BisonNeil]

I don’t remember seeing Payton in the tree game today. Did I just miss him?

[southcliffbison]

no, you did not. what the fuck is up with that? Oh, wait. Don't question coaches' perogative.

[El_Chapo]

I don’t remember seeing Payton in the tree game today. Did I just miss him?

or last week. they don't want a qb controversy

[bisonaudit]

or last week. they don't want a qb controversy

Those caves will play at LB.

[DAS BISON]

Those caves will play at LB.

Those caves (calves) could probably do better than the current LBs!! Where’s fire from any linebacker to step up?

[southcliffbison]

Those caves (calves) could probably do better than the current LBs!! Where’s fire from any linebacker to step up?

Yup, they are playing a bit tentative........similar to junior high boys at their first formal dance.......don't want to make the first move.

[AKBison]

Cole is such an incredible passer that every time the bring him into the game, all they do it let him run.

I will wager a night with Lakes Harem that Cole throws a pass next week vs SDSU. In fact I bet he throws more than. one.

[SDbison]

Those caves (calves) could probably do better than the current LBs!! Where’s fire from any linebacker to step up? We don't have the size or the talent on D line or at LB.

[El_Chapo]

Its Cole Payton Time. . . Just Announce it now to give Cam Miller a Courtesy heads up so he can transfer to NW Miss State.

we've seen his upside, time to unleash the beast!

[TransAmBison]

Its Cole Payton Time. . . Just Announce it now to give Cam Miller a Courtesy heads up so he can transfer to NW Miss State.

we've seen his upside, time to unleash the beast! You've already give Payton the kiss of death...don't know why you want to pile on more.

[El_Chapo]

shit, he hasn't even been unleashed.

[EndZoneQB]

Its Cole Payton Time. . . Just Announce it now to give Cam Miller a Courtesy heads up so he can transfer to NW Miss State.

we've seen his upside, time to unleash the beast!

Honestly, I'm not sold on him as a passer, but since we're not going to do that anyway, it should have been him because he is a better runner than Cam. I like Cam and think we could win with him with the right playcalling, but we clearly are just going to run the QB 30x a game, so might as well put our running QB in.

[Bisonator98]

Honestly, I'm not sold on him as a passer, but since we're not going to do that anyway, it should have been him because he is a better runner than Cam. I like Cam and think we could win with him with the right playcalling, but we clearly are just going to run the QB 30x a game, so might as well put our running QB in.

Is he though? I haven't really been impressed with his running either. To be fair he hasn't had a lot of chances.

[23Bison]

Its Cole Payton Time. . . Just Announce it now to give Cam Miller a Courtesy heads up so he can transfer to NW Miss State.

we've seen his upside, time to unleash the beast!

Great! Now our play book went from half a page drawn in water colors to the top of a page consisting of a QB sneak drawn in finger paints and glue mixed in a few crusty Cheerios and drool. Can’t wait.

[Kevin]

Huge fan of Cole but I'm not discarding Cam until we see him with a real OC.