crooked refs

[IndyBison]

So where does this bad video come from? The angles available to TV looked clear enough to me.

I was referring to the other thread that talked about the water on the lenses. We also have no idea how many views or angles were presented to the replay booth. There were 2 views I thought were pretty conclusive - high from the end zone and field level near the goal line that showed it pretty clearly but we have no idea if he saw those or how many times he saw those.

[IndyBison]

Thanks IndyBison. Just wanted to clarify whether or not that play was ruled correctly. Does anyone have a video of the 3rd and 4 "catch" in the first half that was reviewed and not overturned? I've seen a couple pictures, but I'd love to see the video.

Thanks.

If you have access to ESPN3, you can see the entire game here.

http://espn.go.com/espn3/index?id=111342

They have little tabs on the timeline showing key plays so move the slider to just before the 69-yd TD run. I don't have the exact time written down. It's pretty close but you do see a little jump by the ball as it hits his hands. If nothing else this should show the NCAA that allowing red turf is horrible idea as it comes to using instant replay. I wonder how much it affected the replay officials ability to overrule this "beyond all doubt".

[Walkon79]

I just don't see any possible reasonable explanation for this. I can understand officials are human (even Indy Bison ) but to miss it in the REPLAY PROCESS is unbelievable. I can't imagine a good explanation. It truly makes me question the integrity of the game.

If someone has a logical explanation...I'm all ears.

And yes, I know we had our chances to win but that's not relevent to my point.

Maybe I can provide one. There were only two camera angles for the call, and neither were directly from the endzone like the pictures posted.

I just don't think the replay was clear enough to overturn the call on the field. If they would have called him down by contact, that would have held up too, IMO.

Now the bounce off the turf, I have no explanation for that except for the red-on-red, which again made it difficult for the replay guy to overturn.

[IndyBison]

I watched the game and was pullin for ya, since you handed us our ass the week before and EWU can't even fill up a HS stadium for a QF game!!

I also complained to the Big Sky about the cowbells, since we were told that the use of artificial noisemakers was prohibited in the playoffs. I thought I even heard a Vuvuseala (sp) or two.

But the fans moving to the endzone? Last I checked there isn't a rule against that.

The only possible rule would be there has to be a 2-yard belt all the way around the field with nobody but players and officials. There should also be another 3-yard belt where anything permanently should not exist that could result in a player safety. For example a brick wall with ivy on it but who would ever think to play a game where that could become an issue?

Other than that it would be a game management issue of the host facility. Some allow people to sit and stand in that area the entire game. I worked a college game this year where someone was 5-6 yards behind me on the back pylon with nothing between them and me.

[Bison"FANatic"]

I think the replay guy was to blind and bat shit crazy to have it even matter what color the *(&*(& turf was.

sorry still to pissed.

[IndyBison]

You will see that either no flag should have been thrown, or it should have been thrown against EWU--really bad call that very well costed us the game, among the other well-talked about play.

Will these refs feel like shit knowing they took a win away from our kids, or will they just pass it off as an "o shucks" thing?

I'm definitely curious to see it now. If it was wrong it definitely had a huge impact on the game.

They'll feel like crap if they got any plays wrong but especially if it had a significant impact on the game. But that comes with the territory. If you aren't willing to accept that, you don't belong on the field. If you feel you kicked a call, you have no more than 40 seconds to worry about it because you have to get focused on the next play. If you see it on video after the game it sticks with you longer.

Good officials try to learn from the experience and do whatever it takes to not make the same mistake again. Guys working this level do a ton of film study both of their games and other games to hopefully prepare them for any situation. I'm really curious to see if any of these plays make it into next year's training videos. I know there were some from a Montana playoff game last year. There was a huge miss on an illegal helmet contact that was used for that added emphasis this year.

[bisonboone11]

You will definitely see that the call was incorrect. The official may not have been able to see it from his angle, but then it should have been a no-call. The video clearly shows the EWU player wrapping his arm around the leg of #63, rolling over, and taking him to the ground. Let us know your thoughts when you see the video.

[CAS4127]

I'm definitely curious to see it now. If it was wrong it definitely had a huge impact on the game.

They'll feel like crap if they got any plays wrong but especially if it had a significant impact on the game. But that comes with the territory. If you aren't willing to accept that, you don't belong on the field. If you feel you kicked a call, you have no more than 40 seconds to worry about it because you have to get focused on the next play. If you see it on video after the game it sticks with you longer.

Good officials try to learn from the experience and do whatever it takes to not make the same mistake again. Guys working this level do a ton of film study both of their games and other games to hopefully prepare them for any situation. I'm really curious to see if any of these plays make it into next year's training videos. I know there were some from a Montana playoff game last year. There was a huge miss on an illegal helmet contact that was used for that added emphasis this year.

Just an FYI, but I stated "no flag" because it is obvious he did not see the entire incident. #10, who is lying faceup on the ground, wraps his arm around our lineman's leg near his knee and pulls on it, causeing our lineman to fall over the top of him. The ref is right there, and almost gets caught up in it to the point of stumbling, looks down, see's our lineman fall somewhat on top of #10, and, bang, the flag is pulled and thrown instantly, in a way that leads me to believe he did it impulsively because he was so close to going down with our lineman. I bet when he sees it he will realize he did not see the entire incident.

Will be interested in getting your take, as that was a huge penalty deep in EWU's territory, making it 3rd & 16 rather than 3rd & 1

[Bison bison]

Will be interested in getting your take, as that was a huge penalty deep in EWU's territory, making it 3rd & 16 rather than 3rd & 1

Rather than 1st & Goal at the 1.

[CAS4127]

Rather than 1st & Goal at the 1.

OK--I didn't think we got that close on the run--but, whatever, it's the call that hurt either way.