A new and better FBS thread

[THEsocalledfan]

Perfectly stated and well done. However, logic doesnt seem to be a part of the equation any longer. I have it on pretty good authority that the "warning" from Sankey and the SEC to not add additional FCS schools was very persuasive/determinative to the MWC. After that discussion from their overlords, the conversation with SDSU/NDSU changed significantly with Sankey's directive being cited.

FYI, BisonJD is someone to listen to; he is well connected. This 100% matches what Dom and McFeely and others have been saying as well and remember, these guys are constantly talking to folks behind the scenes off the record. This may be a bigger current road block than location right now.....

[Twentysix]

If we can't leave the fcs, we should leave the mvfc and build an fcs super conference that has ONLY teams that try.

The FCS regular season sucks.

[BigHorns]

Does college football have an anti-trust exemption? Since this is all apparently 'business' now with 'employees', how can industry incumbents work together (collude) to reduce competition? Seems like a clear case to me.

While I agree in theory, this seems like an enormously expensive battle to wage that could get us blackballed in other ways like ooc scheduling. And even if won, the power conferences will likely resort to other measures like continuing to escalate costs of FBS to make it difficult to remain in their group/classification. It looks like they are already working to reduce the number of schools that can remain in the top tier over the next few years.

My hope now is either one or both of NIU/Toledo says no to MW, forcing them to consider NDSU/SDSU again. Alternatively it is likely we see a major restructuring of FBS in the next 3-5 years. The power conferences already want to shed themselves of some of the lower conference schools that they consider dead weight.

[BigHorns]

If we can't leave the fcs, we should leave the mvfc and build an fcs super conference that has ONLY teams that try.

The FCS regular season sucks.

Whats ironic in a way is the FBS power conferences have the same view of much of the G5 conferences.

Part of the reason I really want to see us aim to join one of the better G5 conferences if at all possible. It's not at all clear to me that the lower G5 will be able to remain in FBS unless there is a split between P4 and G5/6.

An FCS super conference would make the regular season more fun, but could reduce the number of teams making the playoffs. The politics of the committee will limit the number of bids awarded to a single conference imo.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Perfectly stated and well done. However, logic doesnt seem to be a part of the equation any longer. I have it on pretty good authority that the "warning" from Sankey and the SEC to not add additional FCS schools was very persuasive/determinative to the MWC. After that discussion from their overlords, the conversation with SDSU/NDSU changed significantly with Sankey's directive being cited.

Why the fuck does Sankey care? I could see why the B1G would not want the XDSUs in FBS (see goldy and bucky), but who in the SEC gives a rat’s ass? This is all garbage BS and if the G5 leadership is eating it then they deserve the fate that awaits them

[Twentysix]

Whats ironic in a way is the FBS power conferences have the same view of much of the G5 conferences.

Part of the reason I really want to see us aim to join one of the better G5 conferences if at all possible. It's not at all clear to me that the lower G5 will be able to remain in FBS unless there is a split between P4 and G5/6.

An FCS super conference would make the regular season more fun, but could reduce the number of teams making the playoffs. The politics of the committee will limit the number of bids awarded to a single conference imo.

Most of the playoffs suck too. A guranteed better regular season is an upgrade. Not to mention the mvfc has already achieved a 50% playoff participation in years past. The mvfc is a shell of itself. I'd maybe bring illinois state along with the dakotas, the rest of the mvfc isn't worth playing ever again. Make a football only plane league with schools who actually fund football. Surely we can claw together 8 or 10. It would be exactly like the pioneer, except the opposite level of effort.

[BigHorns]

Most of the playoffs suck too. A guranteed better regular season is an upgrade. Not to mention the mvfc has already achieved a 50% playoff participation in years past. The mvfc is a shell of itself. I'd maybe bring illinois state along with the dakotas, the rest of the mvfc isn't worth playing ever again. Make a football only plane league with schools who actually fund football. Surely we can claw together 8 or 10. It would be exactly like the pioneer, except the opposite level of effort.

If you combine the top half of the MVFC and Big Sky it would be a fun and pretty dominant league.

I wonder whether schools like Montana, MSU, Idaho would want to do this. They seem pretty content being the top schools in Big Sky. There is a pretty good argument that dropping schools like Murray St would be addition by subtraction. Didn’t we vote against adding them though ?

[BigHorns]

FYI, BisonJD is someone to listen to; he is well connected. This 100% matches what Dom and McFeely and others have been saying as well and remember, these guys are constantly talking to folks behind the scenes off the record. This may be a bigger current road block than location right now.....

FWIW, a handful of other well connected FBS reporters like Matt Brown have been quietly saying the same thing in tweets and various posts. It’s not just the Fargo press.

I think the whole narrative that it’s all up to ML and that we can just force our way into a FBS conference has always been a dumb take. There’s a lot more involved that we simply don’t control.

[oldmantutters]

If ndsu and sdsu are subtracted from the mvfc and added to cusa, cusa blows the mvfc away.

Your arguement mistakenly includes ndsu/sdsu in the value of the mvfc to ndsu and sdsu.

In fact cusa jumps the mac as is. Cusa goes to 59.2 with the addition of sdsu and ndsu right now. Its just under the current mwc with both boise and unlv in the top 40.

Mac adding ndsu/sdsu jumps to a mean of 60.4.

The mac is 57.96. Removing toledo and niu makes the mac 56.48. Adding ndsu and sdsu in place of toledo and niu improves upon the mac to 59.54.

Mwc (as is today) adding ndsu/sdsu jumps to a mean of 63.87, jumping the mwc over the sunbelt and american.

Removing ndsu and sdsu drops the mvfc to 50.92.

Ndsu and sdsu are worth 74.84 averaged together right now. Toledo and NIU are worth 65.35 averaged together. UTEP is worth 51.4. Nebraska is worth 74.83, .01 less than Ndsu/sdsu averaged.

Ndsu and sdsu added to every conference in D1 would improve its sagarin strength, except b12, big10, and sec.

Adding ndsu/sdsu is a net gain for the ACC. A functioning power conference. These G5 conferences are fucking idiots.

The ACC is 74.05, with ndsu/sdsu it increases in strength to a 74.13. Minor, but an addition.

Any G5 conference that doesn't see the metric fuckton of football strength that the dakota states weild is idiotic. It is akin to saying as a G5 you dont want a program like syracuse, arizona state, texas tech, nebraska etc to join your conference for football only. Obviously they do and would. Those are the comparable football programs on the field. The strength of your league generates the ability to make the playoff. Making the playoff generates interest and viewers in your conferences games. All of this is where the money is. Weak leagues will never have a champion that makes the playoff. If you want money build a league that can make the playoff. Inviting utep is how you damn your champion to never making the playoff.

Toledo and niu are idiotic football only adds for the mwc. They are substantially worse football programs than ndsu/sdsu. People watch good football. The more good football is elevated the larger the audiences. Good football = $$$$$$$.

Adding utep was dumb, adding niu and toledo is dumb.

This is great! Thank you for putting all of this together. The thing that it doesn't mention is that NDSU and SDSU are land grant universities with strong academic profiles.

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[IndyBison]

Most of the playoffs suck too. A guranteed better regular season is an upgrade. Not to mention the mvfc has already achieved a 50% playoff participation in years past. The mvfc is a shell of itself. I'd maybe bring illinois state along with the dakotas, the rest of the mvfc isn't worth playing ever again. Make a football only plane league with schools who actually fund football. Surely we can claw together 8 or 10. It would be exactly like the pioneer, except the opposite level of effort.

If you only add 8 really good teams, one of them will be 1-7. That's why it's good to have some variability in the quality of teams. That usually builds organically over time. But your original goal wouldn't be to create a conference of only top tier programs.

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