Fall enrollment ndsu

[Grizzled]

They pay you more if you know what you're doing.

Ok. Than the question is do students who do them together “know what they are doing” more than students who do them at separate times or not in person.

[LefseBison]

Ok. Than the question is do students who do them together “know what they are doing” more than students who do them at separate times or not in person.

This could apply to numerous activities.

[scottietohottie]

Fat fingers eh

[reformedUNDfan]

Not sure on the accuracy of your numbers, not does it really matter, but those students pay the same amount of tuition.
UND is also bursting at the seams in regards to on campus housing.
Rather deal with those things instead of yelling at clouds, ignoring that excelling in online delivery is going to be vital to be successful in the future.

UND's housing is 'bursting at the seams' because the school razed half of it. They should raze the other half, and then the rest of the 'school'.

[taper]

Ok. Than the question is do students who do them together “know what they are doing” more than students who do them at separate times or not in person.

I'm an engineer. I taught several sections of labs. In my experience, ABSOLUTELY. There's no real debate here. Engineering needs to be primarily in person. You realize that poorly trained engineers have killed loads and loads of people, right? It's important to get this right.

[NDSU92]

I'm an engineer. I taught several sections of labs. In my experience, ABSOLUTELY. There's no real debate here. Engineering needs to be primarily in person. You realize that poorly trained engineers have killed loads and loads of people, right? It's important to get this right.

Definitely agree. There are majors that can be taught online and there are majors that cannot. It’s also easily demonstrable that in person experience is better for academic performance than online only, for many reasons.

Not interested in my doctor, lawyer or engineer getting their degree from U Phoenix. Tax guy, business consultant, librarian - no problem.

The fact of the matter and I believe your original point is that NDSU needs to bump its online offerings, but needs to do it right and thoughtfully. Literally the last thing NDSU needs is people questioning the value of an NDSU engineering degree. Many decades of hard work went into building that brand and honestly is one of the major things carrying the school IMO.

[bisonaudit]

On line education/training is similar to in person in that the quality runs the gamut.

What you can’t do is just slap up the same content from a high quality in person lecture series and expect it to be a high quality on line learning experience. It takes a lot of work to prepare good content for a high quality on line experience. But once it is done right it can scale dramatically.

Perhaps actual teachers can dissuade me of this impression but I also believe that if online content is done well it is easier to engage a range of students with different learning styles at the same time with a mix of text, video, voice, knowledge checks, assignments, etc.

Obviously, as discussed by others above, not suited to all subject areas.

[Grizzled]

I'm an engineer. I taught several sections of labs. In my experience, ABSOLUTELY. There's no real debate here. Engineering needs to be primarily in person. You realize that poorly trained engineers have killed loads and loads of people, right? It's important to get this right.

I’m sure they have. And engineers that have had all the right training haven’t killed anyone.

My questions are just based a bit on curiosity because I’m not an engineer. I’m sure there are preferred ways but employers should dictate by hiring what the requirements are. This obviously isn’t the case but often times academia gets stuck in a “this is the way it has to be approach” vs flexibility and adjusting to the needs of students and the other schools competing for their dollars.

[The_Sicatoka]

I'm an engineer. I taught several sections of labs. In my experience, ABSOLUTELY. There's no real debate here. Engineering needs to be primarily in person.

Agree and disagree.

Generals, diff eq, statics, dynamics, pure homework classes don't need face to face.
Alternatively, motors lab for the EEs, yeah, in person, unless you have a 25 HP motor and 480 VAC three-phase in your garage (like scottie).

I'd argue 80% of an eng'g degree can be done online; the rest can be done in summer residencies (2-4 weeks twice). And in summer you might get more direct attention from faculty.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

NDSU will be up. I’ll predict it levels off at around 12000. This is significant when you realize that just to get off the long-term downward trend in a declining market, there needed to be a big jump. NDSU did that plus more. The numbers for next year are already looking really good

Cook has said outright that the model in GF (1/3 fully on-line) is not for NDSU. The bigger questions relating to on-line only are:

1. Why should a virtual student count as much as a physical student in the funding model (not talking about tuition)? They don’t require any infrastructure, and they don’t have a commercial footprint on campus, probably not even in the state. I could basically teach them from my basement

2. Do they graduate and find jobs? I have heard rumors about this but will not share them here

3. Do they acquire the extra skills that come with college? e.g. social networking, teamwork, personal responsibility, etc?

I’ve also heard rumors suggesting that the additional housing that the herald bragged about isn't being all used, so 'full to the gills' might be an exaggeration

On line education/training is similar to in person in that the quality runs the gamut.

What you can’t do is just slap up the same content from a high quality in person lecture series and expect it to be a high quality on line learning experience. It takes a lot of work to prepare good content for a high quality on line experience. But once it is done right it can scale dramatically.

Perhaps actual teachers can dissuade me of this impression but I also believe that if online content is done well it is easier to engage a range of students with different learning styles at the same time with a mix of text, video, voice, knowledge checks, assignments, etc.

Obviously, as discussed by others above, not suited to all subject areas.