NCAA vs the world lawsuits

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Thing is, the NCAA isn’t “attached” at all to the CFP, only the existing FBS conferences are. Believe they throw a few chicken bones ( $1m or so?) to all of FCS combined but aren’t really required to do so. Governance of CFP is all managed outside the NCAA.

Bigger picture, the real divide is P2 (SEC/B1G) vs everyone else. They might bring the B12 and ACC along when they split off, or might consolidate those conferences/schools like they did with the PAC.

In that context, not sure if you mean G5 or FCS when you say 2nd level? They are likely headed to the same fate. Also curious what you think will become of MVFC. Not sure there is a better option for most of the members.

The number ML threw out was 40, which aligns 20/20 B1G/SEC, so one assumes those two will continue to collect the best FB brands (see ACC) to form the new P2. After that you have whats left of FBS (a ton, the defacto 2nd level) plus FCS in D1 CFB. I'm saying most of FBS survives and 1-4 FCS teams try to squeak in before the gate closes

If NDSU or the XDSUs do end up jumping, MVFC will just reload and survive

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

This is interesting. Lots to be sorted out yet it would seem

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-settle...125519681.html

'The portal is not addressed in the settlement. However, the new revenue-sharing model gives schools the opportunity to sign athletes to potentially binding, multi-year contracts. Most athletic administrators who spoke to Yahoo Sports believe this will decrease player movement.'

[BigHorns]

The number ML threw out was 40, which aligns 20/20 B1G/SEC, so one assumes those two will continue to collect the best FB brands (see ACC) to form the new P2. After that you have whats left of FBS (a ton, the defacto 2nd level) plus FCS in D1 CFB. I'm saying most of FBS survives and 1-4 FCS teams try to squeak in before the gate closes

If NDSU or the XDSUs do end up jumping, MVFC will just reload and survive

This seems possible.

I do think a fair amount of shuffling of the deck yet though. I’ve been seeing a good bit of speculation the settlement will force a fair number of D-1 schools including FBS out due to increased costs when the dust settles. Not from settlement payments, but from costs to pay athletes. Remember that Title IX basically says you have to fund women’s sports equally.

It will become significantly more expensive to field a FBS team, and the big revenue streams don’t look like they will be there for those outside those top 40-50.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

This seems possible.

I do think a fair amount of shuffling of the deck yet though. I’ve been seeing a good bit of speculation the settlement will force a fair number of D-1 schools including FBS out due to increased costs when the dust settles. Not from settlement payments, but from costs to pay athletes. Remember that Title IX basically says you have to fund women’s sports equally.

It will become significantly more expensive to field a FBS team, and the big revenue streams don’t look like they will be there for those outside those top 40-50.

Yeah I've seen that too but it's 'up to' 22% so would appear to be a sliding scale. If they cap FB rosters at 85 like they are saying, there will be athletes looking to play and it doesn't appear NIL and the collectives have to go away, while the schools get the benefit of player contracts

and it does appear that they intend to create a new premiere division within FBS

[BigHorns]

Yeah I've seen that too but it's 'up to' 22% so would appear to be a sliding scale. If they cap FB rosters at 85 like they are saying, there will be athletes looking to play and it doesn't appear NIL and the collectives have to go away, while the schools get the benefit of player contracts

and it does appear that they intend to create a new premiere division within FBS

What is unclear currently about the "premiere division" is whether NCAA will grudgingly allow those schools/conferences to separate themselves under the NCAA banner and continue to operate as "autonomous", or if those schools will more formally/legally separate football or all sports from NCAA entirely.

I suppose with having NCAA spread the pain of Alston (unfairly) to everyone, it might make sense for them to wear the NCAA label, even if its a separate division/entity. They also could continue to reap the lions share of MBB tourney and take most bids. It may allow the P2 to have their cake and eat it too. Skeptical that is beneficial to everyone else though. It feels like P2 are just taking what they want and leaving increasingly sparse crumbs for others.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

What is unclear currently about the "premiere division" is whether NCAA will grudgingly allow those schools/conferences to separate themselves under the NCAA banner and continue to operate as "autonomous", or if those schools will more formally/legally separate football or all sports from NCAA entirely.

I suppose with having NCAA spread the pain of Alston (unfairly) to everyone, it might make sense for them to wear the NCAA label, even if its a separate division/entity. They also could continue to reap the lions share of MBB tourney and take most bids. It may allow the P2 to have their cake and eat it too. Skeptical that is beneficial to everyone else though. It feels like P2 are just taking what they want and leaving increasingly sparse crumbs for others.

The power conferences just saved the NCAA so it should be obvious at this point who’s in charge. NCAA is powerless but doesn’t have to worry about getting sued anymore. That was the gist of the deal. BB tournament stays intact, and if they make a new premier FB level it will surely be under the 'banner' of the NCAA. I have no doubt about this

Big schools will feel the burden of paying ridiculous money for top prospects and the players will probably sign multi-year contracts, so if they end up sucking, the schools will be stuck with them. Small schools will have to prioritize what they want to support, which will drive alignment with similarly minded schools, and if you can lock down an over-looked 'blue chipper' in a contract, the portal looms less large than it does now

Some schools may decide to simply get out rather than field teams with what they can actually afford. I guess we’ll see, but I'm not as bullish on that as some

[bisonaudit]

The power conferences just saved the NCAA so it should be obvious at this point who’s in charge. NCAA is powerless but doesn’t have to worry about getting sued anymore. That was the gist of the deal. BB tournament stays intact, and if they make a new premier FB level it will surely be under the 'banner' of the NCAA. I have no doubt about this

Big schools will feel the burden of paying ridiculous money for top prospects and the players will probably sign multi-year contracts, so if they end up sucking, the schools will be stuck with them. Small schools will have to prioritize what they want to support, which will drive alignment with similarly minded schools, and if you can lock down an over-looked 'blue chipper' in a contract, the portal looms less large than it does now

Some schools may decide to simply get out rather than field teams with what they can actually afford. I guess we’ll see, but I'm not as bullish on that as some

The money paid to the talent is a burden but the money paid to management isn’t?

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

The money paid to the talent is a burden but the money paid to management isn’t?

I'm assuming the cash isn't infinite. Do you think it is?

'Boosters' basically pay the players the ridiculous $$ now. Once the schools have to do that, will the boosters just become donors to the university? I guess we'll see ...


I’m not siding with the coaches over the players, audit. I think this is all good and much more 'transformational' than anything the NCAA ever did

But the potential lawsuit target has now moved from the NCAA to the individual schools, who will be signing 18-20 yr old multi-million-dollar presumed-future-professional athletes as big dollar employees, with health care and other benefits and all that wonderful stuff. If you were a university, would you let a collective deal with that?

[NDSU92]

The money paid to the talent is a burden but the money paid to management isn’t?

Million dollar buyouts for coaches? No problem

Pay players? We’re a charity

[bisonp]

The money paid to the talent is a burden but the money paid to management isn’t?

There's a lot more talent than management. This is not sustainable. The overwhelming majority of schools already lose money.