A new and better FBS thread

[ByeSonBusiness]

I can't imagine NDSU ever seriously considering adding teh hockies but if that day were to come at the expense of being in the appropriate level of football combined with the lack of support for basketball(both men's and women's) I would easily be able to find a lot of other activities to spend my time and resources on outside of NDSU athletics.

It'd probs make money tbh

[HerdBot]

What a waste of money lol. No one cares about it, it will hurt the brand as we won’t be competitive, and the last thing we need is another Olympic sport that we half-ass.

There are 0 people who are asking that we add hockey. Let the average Joe be a NDSU football/UND hockey fan. That school can waste their time and money on a sport that no one cares about. We start hockey I’m never giving another dollar to NDSU athletics at least until dumbass Larsen is gone. If he’s looking for something to do, start campaigning to get NDSU to get NDSU athletics equivalent state/institutional funding to put us amongst our peers. We’re about $10-$15M short in that perspective and if we had that we would’ve been Mountain West long ago.

The tone deafness of hearing people complaining about the lack of FBS and then giving them hockey instead would be 100% on-brand tho.

Nobody cares about hockey while a team of kids that haven't enrolled in college yet (Fargo Force) outdraw Bison Basketball 4 to 1. Yeah I have to respectively disagree with that statement

Fargo is a hockey town, hosts squirt international, has some of the highest participation rates in the country and has elite level facilities for youth hockey

We have no chance to ever be competitive in basketball again nor does anyone in the summit league. The region is flush with talent. Hockey would be successful within 5 years

We would pack Scheels Arena day 1 until we can build our own arena and it wouldn't take away from football. Different audience that is untapped. If we start hockey I bet wr could even get public support for a new duel purpose hockey/basketball arena. Maybe even attached to the Fargodome

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

No to hockey. ND is already spread too thin as a state in this new D1 era, and susie has to compete with the B1G now, plus the portal. Not going super great in case you haven’t been paying attention (which would be ironic since you’re pushing D1 Bison hockey)

Like 92 says, use the money to elevate men’s BB and try to climb. I think you underestimate the loyalty of the state to the UND hockey brand, and there is no external value in trying to create a 2nd whole new brand to compete with it internally (although admittedly, it is a better brand)

It would be an epic fail by the state, the NDUS, and NDSU for Bison FB to not be at the 2nd level if there’s a split, so no reason to go there now. Let's see what happens

[BisonJD]

The solution is out there. With the MWC still stiff arming the PAC-2 for a PAC-12 revival...Oregon St. and Wash St. should start the next G5 Conference.
Invite:
Montana
Montana St.
SDSU
NDSU
Wyoming (buyout)
Boise St. (buyout)
UND
USD

Gives you solid state-sponsored schools with a full slate of athletics. Conference would be immediately competitive with other G5 conference for football and hoops bids. Decent travel (considering other conference footprints). Solid war chest from PAC-12 conference.

[NI4NI]

The solution is out there. With the MWC still stiff arming the PAC-2 for a PAC-12 revival...Oregon St. and Wash St. should start the next G5 Conference.
Invite:
Montana
Montana St.
SDSU
NDSU
Wyoming (buyout)
Boise St. (buyout)
UND
USD

Gives you solid state-sponsored schools with a full slate of athletics. Conference would be immediately competitive with other G5 conference for football and hoops bids. Decent travel (considering other conference footprints). Solid war chest from PAC-12 conference.

Love the idea of being in a real conference for all sports!
What would be NDSU buyout expenses to exit MVFC, Summit & Big 12?

[taper]

The solution is out there. With the MWC still stiff arming the PAC-2 for a PAC-12 revival...Oregon St. and Wash St. should start the next G5 Conference.
Invite:
Montana
Montana St.
SDSU
NDSU
Wyoming (buyout)
Boise St. (buyout)
UND
USD

Gives you solid state-sponsored schools with a full slate of athletics. Conference would be immediately competitive with other G5 conference for football and hoops bids. Decent travel (considering other conference footprints). Solid war chest from PAC-12 conference.

WSU and OSU are staying independent rather than admit they've fallen to the G5 ranks. There's no way they're going to start slumming(in their eyes) with a bunch of FCS call ups.
There's no PAC-12 warchest either. They're nearly broke with some big expenses coming.

[The_Sicatoka]

Frankly, do WasSU and OrSU look more like:

- USC and UCLA, or
- ColoSt and Nevada

The PAC12 dissolution exposed what WasSU and OrSU really are: G5s.

[BisonJD]

WSU and OSU are staying independent rather than admit they've fallen to the G5 ranks. There's no way they're going to start slumming(in their eyes) with a bunch of FCS call ups.
There's no PAC-12 warchest either. They're nearly broke with some big expenses coming.

Agree with you that they would see this as a "step down"...unfortunately. I don't see a path forward for them unless they submit to the MWC entirely. This would give them autonomy and (I would assume, some measure of control). At some point, common sense needs to re-enter the conversation.

[The_Sicatoka]

At some point, common sense needs to re-enter the conversation.

In college sports? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Wait. You're serious?

Money has made common sense no longer a viable option.

[Professorbum]

Yep, for most FBS conferences its all about markets and location. We've never been on CUSA's shortlist. They will add Tarleton and SFA before looking our way.

MWC is really a much better fit for us, and it sounds like there have been some active discussions. Just need the dominos to fall in a way that creates an opening.

When CUSA was scrambling for members, everyone was on their shortlist. We absolutely could have waltzed in and somewhat dictated terms. But we were too good for CUSA. So the lifeboats filled up while we had a drink in Titanic's lounge.