EDT: Fargodome Expansion Vote vs Old Man Yells at Cloud (12-5-23)

[HerdBot]

Great to hear they are still working to get this passed. Its not like the dome is getting younger. I hope the plan is now is to just have the dome remodel without the convention center. Always thought this should have been a 2 part plan. I think anyone who has been inside the dome realize the need for it to be upgraded. Put on the ballot just dome renovation, no convention center, and just the lodging tax combined with the Fargodome’s contribution. That I think would get 60% approval.

It's gotta be separate. Here's why

The lodging tax can't be used solely on the dome. Only a new structure to attract tourism and goes into a special fund to pay a bond.

I just read the home charter and it says nothing about a lodging tax requiring 60%. It says a sales tax or use tax requires a 60% vote. Isn't a use tax is a fee collected when sales tax is NOT collected?

If that's true, it may not need a vote at all.

Edit. I think I was wrong. State law defines use tax

HOME CHARTER
Amendment #2 - No city sales and/or use tax shall be imposed unless the question of imposing such a sales and/or use tax has been submitted to a vote of the qualified electors of the City of Fargo, North Dakota, and has been approved by sixty (60) percent of such electors voting on such question.

[LefseBison]

And even though all of us should know that a lodging tax is paid for by hotels, I had read COMMENTS by some people (pre Dec 5th vote) that think the lodging tax is to be borne by citizens.

[HerdBot]

And even though all of us should know that a lodging tax is paid for by hotels, I had read COMMENTS by some people (pre Dec 5th vote) that think the lodging tax is to be borne by citizens.

Never mind... state law does define use tax. If I'm reading this correctly, it should require 60%

"Use tax" means the tax levied under section 57-40.2-02.1 or imposed under home rule authority by a city or county.

[reformedUNDfan]

It's less than a mile from the 52nd Ave Walmart and 2 minutes from 45th St. It's a longer drive from the dome to Downtown

Believe me with the 390k SF Sports Center and a 100k sf Conference Center, every developer in town will want to build a hotel or 3 to the south of it. The only walkable area in Fargo is Downtown but you still need to drive there

Wow Walmart.

We don't need more sprawl or tax-negative areas.

[HerdBot]

Wow Walmart.

We don't need more sprawl or tax-negative areas.

I agree but sprawl has already happened there. Sports Complex, NDSCS Career Center, and the Capstone Academy. Plus 2 large apartments and a few commercial projects. The next public school is going out there too

Walmart is lame but Suite Shots is only a few blocks from it. Not in the middle of nowhere

[AKBison]

I really hope they are smart about their plan this time. Listening to Izzo's interview of Rob from a couple weeks ago didn't exactly install confidence that they will get this figured out. The guy has no vision on what the Fargodome could be. He might be a great manager but man, we are up against a wall here and he needs to be able to sale this. The people I knew who voted no did so because it was lipstick on a pig. A larger concourse and new press box doesn't set up the Dome for the next 35 years and really does next to nothing to help NDSU transition to FBS. The convention center was the clencher.

[LefseBison]

Wow Walmart.

We don't need more sprawl or tax-negative areas.

You can't undo sprawl. Sadly

[primespareribs]

And even though all of us should know that a lodging tax is paid for by hotel patrons, I had read COMMENTS by some people (pre Dec 5th vote) that think the lodging tax is to be borne by citizens.

FIFY...ten char

[LefseBison]

HerdBot - you probably know this since you follow everything but I saw a headline in Forum about Jade trying to get a concert/event center on the western edge of downtown. Interesting.

[HerdBot]

HerdBot - you probably know this since you follow everything but I saw a headline in Forum about Jade trying to get a concert/event center on the western edge of downtown. Interesting.

I saw it and it looks pretty exciting. It will fill a niche for outdoor shows for summer months but I have no idea what the capacity will be. I looked on Google Maps and it's much larger than the parking lot of Fargo Brewing. If I had to guess, Fargo Brewing probably holds around 1,000 to 1,500 depending on configuration.

This new spot would probably hold double, between 2-3k, depending on how many bleacher seats they get. Much cooler spot too with grass and bleachers

Drove by the vacant lot today and it is a total shithole. Embarrassing for the city. This would be a hell of an improvement and help draw more people to town. It doesn't solve conference space or an indoor facility, but it would be helpful

It needs to clear the planning commission and they meet on Tuesday. This is a simple to fill out form https://fargond.gov/contact-us?conta...ing-commission