A new and better FBS thread

[BigLakeBison]

But NDSU92 told me about this huge capital campaign during his tenure ...

Was he the best NDSU's had? Maybe not even top three, but he could get the donor bucks, so I'd say he knows donor bucks.

Maybe, but it also makes him look better to understate the donor possibilities. It makes the money they raised seem even more impressive.

[The_Sicatoka]

Online is a fad and as an employer I would be very skeptical of hiring anyone with only online experience. If und is so hip on it why are they building more taxpayer subsidized student housing?

TIF and PILOT is not a subsidy (direct payment). Roers got TIF from City of Fargo for building apartments near NDSU. Same thing.

[The_Sicatoka]

Maybe, but it also makes him look better to understate the donor possibilities. It makes the money they raised seem even more impressive.

Or he's saying he tapped them out for the time being.

[The_Sicatoka]

This has a lot of data. https://ndus.edu/wp-content/uploads/...ent-Report.pdf
Delivery Method of instruction

• NDSU
  
  • 11151 on-campus and 758 off-campus
  • 1515 hybrid
  • 6014 distance education
  
  
• UND
  
  • 8457 on-campus and 266 off-campus
  • 3041 hybrid
  • 9444 distance education

Notice the hybrid tallies. That's today's student going in-person for in-major upper level courses but doing pre-req's and the "other required stuff" online to make if fit their personal schedule. My niece got into med school a year early by leveraging that flexibility. That is the future of education; ignore it at your peril.

[BigLakeBison]

Or he's saying he tapped them out for the time being.

Again, subjective opinion from someone who I think cares about his legacy and wants to feel good about his accomplishments. That's not uncommon but I also take it with a grain of salt and try to apply some context. The current budget woes don't positively influence his legacy. The declining enrollment doesn't positively influence his legacy. One bright spot is the capital campaign that raised over $500 million. That seems even more impressive if in the same breath you also sell the idea that donors were very reluctant to part with their money. I guess I just don't buy that notion. At least not from the standpoint that we are in any kind of "unique" situation where money is less available than it was previously. If NDSU has a feasible and well planned vision for future success and growth (both athletically and academically), the donors will invest because they realize the impact that it can have on the region. As the region grows so does the available donor dollars. It's always going to be about having a feasible and well planned vision and selling it successfully. Maybe Dean's pessimism came from the fact that the plan under his leadership wasn't as feasible or well planned as he believed.

[TAILG8R]

The problem in one click: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...6426698406&z=5

Wow you guys are really way up in the middle of nowhere aren't you.

[BigHorns]

Anything including Montana and Montana St isn’t happening. I’d be genuinely shocked if SDSUb goes when NDSU does.


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Didn't Montana almost go FBS a couple decades ago?

Montana/MSU seem far more ready than SDSU is.
Can understand them turning down some conferences, but would be surprised if they've taken it off the table entirely.

It would make a lot of sense for us to pair up with Montana to join MWC.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Thanks for posting that very interesting data.
So und has 2694 fewer on-campus students, 1526 more 'hybrid', and a whopping 3430 more 'distance' and seems to be making their hay off part-time, distance, and non-traditional students.
NDSU has 1642 more full-time UGs.
Does anyone know if the current funding model treats all students the same? I assume it does.

This has a lot of data. https://ndus.edu/wp-content/uploads/...ent-Report.pdf

Fall 2022 Numbers

Total Headcount:

• NDSU - 12242
  
  • 9909 full time and 2333 part time
  • 10096 undergrad and 2146 post-grad
  
  
• UND - 13876
  
  • 8777 full time and 5099 part time
  • 9928 undergrad and 3948 post-grad

Delivery Method of instruction

• NDSU
  
  • 11151 on-campus and 758 off-campus
  • 1515 hybrid
  • 6014 distance education
  
  
• UND
  
  • 8457 on-campus and 266 off-campus
  • 3041 hybrid
  • 9444 distance education

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Didn't Montana almost go FBS a couple decades ago?

Montana/MSU seem far more ready than SDSU is.
Can understand them turning down some conferences, but would be surprised if they've taken it off the table entirely.

It would make a lot of sense for us to pair up with Montana to join MWC.

Pretty sure UM AD is on recent record saying they are not interested in FBS right now.
Unlike the Dakotas, I expect these two (griz/bobcat) will stick together, given the size and growth trajectory of the state. MT has some of the nicest country in the lower 48 (right up there with extreme NE MN, imho) which probably gives them good growth potential. Plus they are natural rivals like NDSU/SDSU and USD/UND.

I also suspect they’d like to garner some trophies …

[ByeSonBusiness]

Didn't Montana almost go FBS a couple decades ago?

Montana/MSU seem far more ready than SDSU is.
Can understand them turning down some conferences, but would be surprised if they've taken it off the table entirely.

It would make a lot of sense for us to pair up with Montana to join MWC.

Better geography for the MWC for sure. Better attendance too. But I'm not sure they are better positioned financially. If I recall correctly, MSU is much healthier right now than UM?