Frisco RIVALRY GAME Pregame Thread

[CAS4127]

I’m interested in hearing about SDSU “healthy” scratch players in the days leading up to the game.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Standard practice in FBS, at least 60% of the P5 are doing it. They make offers via third parties (high school coaches, teammates, etc) so the school can't be held directly responsible. Technically tampering, but nobody cares anymore. The 'elite' FBS schools with $100M budgets buy the coaches and players they want.

I don't think its "standard practice." I think its certainly present though. Plenty of these schools are still abiding by the rules or making something resembling a good faith effort.

TAMU dropped (allegedly) over $30 million on their 2021 recruiting class and it blew up in their face. Tennessee had a locker room fight regarding the money the QB was making this year. USC got all of like 600 receiving yards from their multi-million dollar receiver transfer. Oregon apparently spent about $40 million on their current class.

Plenty of big schools with big money seem to be trying to get this done "right" without selling their souls. I have a feeling that the NCAA is hoping Congress steps in.

[IndyBison]

I don't think its "standard practice." I think its certainly present though. Plenty of these schools are still abiding by the rules or making something resembling a good faith effort.

TAMU dropped (allegedly) over $30 million on their 2021 recruiting class and it blew up in their face. Tennessee had a locker room fight regarding the money the QB was making this year. USC got all of like 600 receiving yards from their multi-million dollar receiver transfer. Oregon apparently spent about $40 million on their current class.

Plenty of big schools with big money seem to be trying to get this done "right" without selling their souls. I have a feeling that the NCAA is hoping Congress steps in.

I believe the NIL money is coming from outside the schools. Not sure how much the schools can be involved with diverting funds to different recruits, but the money isn't coming FROM the schools. I'm sure there is a close connection in some cases, and there could be conditions in the terms tied to specific schools. A booster of a specific school may be more likely to tie the NIL money to a specific school while national brands (i.e. shoes, retail) may be more general.

I knew NIL would be a more about recruiting than performance. I didn't expect the numbers to be this big, but that's where we are. This will continue to cause issues in the locker room.

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[El_Chapo]

I’m interested in hearing about SDSU “healthy” scratch players in the days leading up to the game.

how many trick plays does stiggy do

[ndsubison1]

how many trick plays does stiggy do

They will have 1 or 2. I bet we use 1 as well.

[BigHorns]

I believe the NIL money is coming from outside the schools. Not sure how much the schools can be involved with diverting funds to different recruits, but the money isn't coming FROM the schools. I'm sure there is a close connection in some cases, and there could be conditions in the terms tied to specific schools. A booster of a specific school may be more likely to tie the NIL money to a specific school while national brands (i.e. shoes, retail) may be more general.

I knew NIL would be a more about recruiting than performance. I didn't expect the numbers to be this big, but that's where we are. This will continue to cause issues in the locker room.

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Yes, technically "outside" the school from boosters, but the NILs get their direction from the Coaches on who to go target. They contact them via 3rd parties to have some plausible deniability, but everyone knows its at the direction of the football programs.

It's clearly illegal by the rules, and yet a huge percentage of P5 schools are doing this. The G5 schools watch all their talent get sucked up like a vacuum cleaner. Even lower rung P5s are losing their talent.

"There's more tampering going on than you could ever imagine," Dickert told reporters earlier in the week. "We've had guys contact our players' parents. We had a coach from another school contact one of our players and offer him (an) NIL. A coach."

Some players have confirmed the tampering fears, too. Pitt linebacker SirVocea Dennis told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review before the season that two schools contacted him earlier in the year despite Dennis never entering his name into the NCAA Transfer Portal. Dennis claims he quickly declined the two offers and told the undisclosed suitors that their actions were in violation of NCAA rules.

“I respectfully told them that what they were trying to do is illegal and it could, actually, ruin my eligibility," Dennis told The Tribune-Review. "If they wanted to talk to me, I would have to have been in the portal already.”

https://247sports.com/Article/Washin...es--200651323/

It's a broken system at this point, and not sure much can be done to fix it.

[NDSU92]

Y'all need to discern between illegal as "against the law" vs illegal as "against NCAA rules".

One is definitely illegal and one might be illegal, if it is against the law...

[KSBisonFan]

They will have 1 or 2. I bet we use 1 as well.

Hopefully we're ready when they motion the TE to take the snap on short yardage downs.

[CAS4127]

Y'all need to discern between illegal as "against the law" vs illegal as "against NCAA rules".

One is definitely illegal and one might be illegal, if it is against the law...

Rule violation vs. Illegal.

To go a bit further: Rule violation < Malum prohibitum < Malum in se.

[BigHorns]

Rule violation vs. Illegal.

To go a bit further: Rule violation < Malum prohibitum < Malum in se.

Illegal:
adjective
1) forbidden by law or statute.
2) contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.:
The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass

Tampering during recruiting is by definition illegal per NCAA rules.
Not all NCAA violations are criminal, however some may be.