State of the University address

[B.Schlossman Fan Club]

So is this why we didn’t accept a CUSA invite? Seems like a crazy amount of money we need to cut

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

So is this why we didn’t accept a CUSA invite? Seems like a crazy amount of money we need to cut

I don’t think it’s the money as much as the human value to the state and university. To put it in perspective, the total projected cut is something $10M? NDSU brought in $15M last month in just a single grant (one that benefits your school, btw).

People will lose their jobs and the on-campus student experience could potentially suffer, not to mention the ability for NDSU to train the ND workforce, which a land-grant does.

I think they turned down CUSA for other reasons …

Will you be at the Bison game tomorrow Schlossy?

[Grizzled]

I don’t think it’s the money as much as the human value to the state and university. To put it in perspective, the total projected cut is something $10M? NDSU brought in $15M last month in just a single grant (one that benefits your school, btw).

People will lose their jobs and the on-campus student experience could potentially suffer, not to mention the ability for NDSU to train the ND workforce, which a land-grant does.

I think they turned down CUSA for other reasons …

Will you be at the Bison game tomorrow Schlossy?

The ability to train the ND workforce is still there. Don’t kid yourself.

[The_Sicatoka]

My sources (who would know) tell me:

NDSU Engineering had about $950,000 taken out of their budget this week ... and that's before the coming cuts of this legislative biennium.
NDSU Pharmacy class sizes have shrunk from about 100 (five years ago) to the mid 50s.

Both of those are terrible for the State. I'm not happy about this. It's bad for North Dakota. I'm telling you all so you understand the size of the issue.

Cook has his work cut out.

[taper]

This really shouldn't be surprising with the continuing drop in enrollment. Why wouldn't fewer students mean less money given and less money needed? Time to see if our new Pres is up to it.

Funny story about engineering funding, I was a student when the state moved to PeopleSoft. It was an unmitigated disaster for the entire university system. PS put all their resources into making the gov't system, so when the schools complained about things being unusable the minions in Bismarck said "it works fine for us" and ignored us. When I say unusable, that's not hyperbole. The first semester you couldn't register for certain required classes unless you knew their registration code, which wasn't published anywhere. Every single Electrical Engineering student was turned into Elementary Education and literally nobody knew how to fix it. Then, since there were no Electrical Eng majors, the system automatically removed all department funding, which again nobody knew how to fix. I was scheduled to graduate that Dec and it was late Oct before I knew for sure if I could.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

This really shouldn't be surprising with the continuing drop in enrollment. Why wouldn't fewer students mean less money given and less money needed? Time to see if our new Pres is up to it.

I’m not sure it’s that simple. You still have to teach the same classes, even if they are half full, and you still need to support the day-to-day infrastructure that makes up the campus environment

My sources tell me that NDSU has essentially the same number of engineering undergrads as UND, but roughly half of UNDs are on-line only and not in-person. A missed opportunity for NDSU, but one that will certainly be addressed quite quickly, I’m sure. Tough situation for GF though

[taper]

I’m not sure it’s that simple. You still have to teach the same classes, even if they are half full, and you still need to support the day-to-day infrastructure that makes up the campus environment

My sources tell me that NDSU has essentially the same number of engineering undergrads as UND, but roughly half of UNDs are on-line only and not in-person. A missed opportunity for NDSU, but one that will certainly be addressed quite quickly, I’m sure. Tough situation for GF though

I'm not saying it's linear, but there's definitely an incremental cost up or down for each individual student gained or lost. No doubt lots of things are more efficient with higher enrollment, which I've been advocating for a long time.

I'm 100% against on-line engineering degrees. Having been both a student and TA in person, there's a ton of very expensive lab equipment that's absolutely vital to your education that remote learning simply can't duplicate. Accrediting agencies are failing the entire world if they allow degrees without hands on practical.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

I'm not saying it's linear, but there's definitely an incremental cost up or down for each individual student gained or lost. No doubt lots of things are more efficient with higher enrollment, which I've been advocating for a long time.

I'm 100% against on-line engineering degrees. Having been both a student and TA in person, there's a ton of very expensive lab equipment that's absolutely vital to your education that remote learning simply can't duplicate. Accrediting agencies are failing the entire world if they allow degrees without hands on practical.

I concur completely. One has to wonder who these on-line engineers are, what they are studying, and where they end up. Maybe if you're just writing code, but it's still much easier and more effective to teach that in person, never mind the labs an undergrad ECE always takes

That said, the NDUS set the standard by counting on-line students the same as in-person, and NDSU will respond accordingly to maintain its stature as a top-tier research university

[B.Schlossman Fan Club]

I don’t think it’s the money as much as the human value to the state and university. To put it in perspective, the total projected cut is something $10M? NDSU brought in $15M last month in just a single grant (one that benefits your school, btw).

People will lose their jobs and the on-campus student experience could potentially suffer, not to mention the ability for NDSU to train the ND workforce, which a land-grant does.

I think they turned down CUSA for other reasons …

Will you be at the Bison game tomorrow Schlossy?

This all is just some fishy timing. Waiting for the word to get out after we open the FPC? If 10 million isn’t a big deal why would our president say everything is on the table for cuts mentioning even football. Why say that if these cuts will be easy and painless.

I was out west this weekend so no football game for me! And no I was not in Vegas with Chapo….

[B.Schlossman Fan Club]

I'm not saying it's linear, but there's definitely an incremental cost up or down for each individual student gained or lost. No doubt lots of things are more efficient with higher enrollment, which I've been advocating for a long time.

I'm 100% against on-line engineering degrees. Having been both a student and TA in person, there's a ton of very expensive lab equipment that's absolutely vital to your education that remote learning simply can't duplicate. Accrediting agencies are failing the entire world if they allow degrees without hands on practical.

I guess labs were important but a ton of engineers do not use many of the things they learned in their specialized classes. I do agree online would not be a quality education especially when you have to teach calc to yourself…..