A new and better FBS thread

[daddy daycare]

Not sure a sports write/radio personality has any better insight on any of this than anyone else.

I'm guessing he has a better understanding of the landscape of college football than the green and yellow blinders on this message board, just sayin'.

[Rock]

I'm guessing he has a better understanding of the landscape of college football than the green and yellow blinders on this message board, just sayin'.

And he was on 1660 which we know is not biased in any way.

[abc123]

Well, I only do it to bother people like you, so I’m glad it’s working

... and you wouldn't respond if it didn't bother you

And for as often as you bring it up, I don't think you're as certain as you claim you are. Wishful thinking and all.

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

And for as often as you bring it up, I don't think you're as certain as you claim you are. Wishful thinking and all.

Don’t know if you noticed, but I only bring it up when you and your ilk come around

But since you’re here, tell me who is better positioned and more deserving to jump up, NDSU or UND



... and for the record, I am confident that NDSU will be in a higher CFB division in the near future. This is based on the reality of what NDSU has become in FCS, as well as what I hear and read coming out of our own administration and elsewhere. I'm also confident that you won't be joining us

[The_Sicatoka]

But since you’re here, tell me who is better positioned and more deserving to jump up, NDSU or UND

There is no "deserving". There's "right place right time" and "is the juice worth the squeeze" --> Do you fit the current needs of a conference, the profile, so you're worth the invitation.

One man's opinion (your mileage may vary):

• The common problem of each is dollars: I figure it's $3-5 million increase in annual budget to make the step up for either. Say what you will, that's a big annual number for either. And that only gets you to "median MAC" level. Both donor groups would be asked to shoulder an ever growing funding load. And this is in an "NIL" world that's already calling for money. ($100 million athletics endowment at 4% annually gets the $4 million needed, otherwise it's constant churn fundraising for the budget.)
• UND's main roadblock: The "15k" FBS rule if it is still in play in the future; however, the MAC has shown there are "creative" ways around that. But it's real. It would require a plan going in, and maybe "home" games at alternate sites or a facility expansion.
• NDSU's main roadblock: As I am told here, you're fully funded, so no space to add women's grants to balance new men's FB grants. That probably means add a women's sport. Again, achievable.

Late edit: One more common roadblock --> an invitation.

[oldmantutters]

If you could name a FBS conference that is a logical fit for NDSU geographically, financially and competitively without killing off the rest of the athletic department I'm all ears. 700+ pages suggest that's not happening.

The B1G schools could setup satellite campuses where they house their athletic departments in cities throughout the Red River Valley, give NDSU 90% share of their new media deal and you'd still find some arbitrary hurdles.

Definition of FCS forever, bro.

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[NDSU1980]

Maybe it will go better than last time the athletic department came to the NDSU Student Government trying to get a fee increase where they fell flat on their face in the initial meeting?
Eventually the two sides negotiated that the students would give up some additional seating at football games but there would be no increase in fees, thus getting the athletic department the money they were looking for, just in a different way.
What, outside of some hypothetical different conference that doesn't have any of NDSU's regional rivals in it, are they going to offer to the students that will convince them to toss a few hundred dollars each extra back to the athletic department? I doubt they are going to want to give them some seats back and lose those prime donations/ticket revenues.

As it relates to UND, the students voted to increase their student fees to help fund the move to D1. And as it relates to the other schools people are tossing around as other potential candidates to move to D1, UND is in line or less subsidies for their athletic department. Maybe the NDSU student body would feel the same way if the right scenario landed in their lap?




Watching you continue to be so certain about something that has zero guarantees is entertaining. And I'm not even pretending UND is or isn't doing anything, just that there is going to be a massive shake-up and no one knows how the fall out will land.

Well considering you are trying to raise money for bubba on the SS, I don't think you can talk about funding. I mean really, when the SS has to hold bake sales to fund the football team, that's getting pretty low.

[The_Sicatoka]

Well considering you are trying to raise money for bubba on the SS, I don't think you can talk about funding. I mean really, when the SS has to hold bake sales to fund the football team, that's getting pretty low.

Or it's just some paperwork away from being another NIL collective.

[daddy daycare]

the b1g schools could setup satellite campuses where they house their athletic departments in cities throughout the red river valley, give ndsu 90% share of their new media deal and you'd still find some arbitrary hurdles.

Definition of fcs forever, bro.

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ok....."bro". Way to add a relevant point. Actually it is about as likely as a MWC invitation. But one can't say that 'round these parts. Reality is a bitch. Keep dreaming "bro"

[BigLakeBison]

It's called realism. Deal with it with my fellow Vikings SKOLdiers all the time.

Vikings fans aren’t realists, they’re masochists. And you’re just an eternal pessimist. But you be you.