What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.

[Twincitybizon]

Live and learn eh. Maybe next time the guy paying him 28 million offers him a line of pure Columbian bam bam off a strippers ass he'll just take one for the team.

This is the kind of leader I am. Aspire to be more like me

[bisonaudit]

Not that this matters anymore these days cause everyone has their opinion and it seems it can never be swayed but let's look at the first six years between Carson and Ben Roethlisberger who he was compared to coming out of College.
Attempts Completions % Yards TDS Int
Ben 2,411 1,526 63% 19,302 127 81
Carson 3,008 1,884 63% 20,374 140 57

Who would you rather have? Carson is better. He also did not have off the field issues like Ben has had which were pretty bad. People these days cannot have any patience whatsoever. Carson has been labeled by the media for whatever the reason and it sucks.

By the way Ben's seventh season he only had 17tds and 5 int and his 8th season wasnt much better with 21 tds and 14 ints. Not exactly great stats yet is considered a HOF. So it does matter who is around you as he also had good WRs.

I’m not sure that it makes sense to acknowledge the profound changes in the media environment over the last 2 decades while ignoring the profound changes in the game itself.

[runtheoption]

You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?

FWIW

I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.

Like Al Bundy said: "Just shut up and dribble the ball, and just win, baby."

The team wins, he stays, simple as that.

[Snowgoose]

I’m not sure that it makes sense to acknowledge the profound changes in the media environment over the last 2 decades while ignoring the profound changes in the game itself.

The game has changed but it has been a slow change. The difference between these years is 12 years not two decades (but as auditor you can pass on that difference) so less of change. Even still I was implying that people don't want to give any room for growth anymore period especially at a QB position.

The media sucks in all environments in the last decade but more so in the last five years thanks to social media which is making exponentially worse.

[bisonaudit]

The game has changed but it has been a slow change. The difference between these years is 12 years not two decades (but as auditor you can pass on that difference) so less of change. Even still I was implying that people don't want to give any room for growth anymore period especially at a QB position.

The media sucks in all environments in the last decade but more so in the last five years thanks to social media which is making exponentially worse.

I think the game has changed more than you think. Just for example, Ben’s comp% was below league average just twice in his first 6 seasons and even then just barely (48th and 49th percentile). Wentz has had a completion percentage above league average 1 time in 6 seasons.

[pucknut9]

You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?

FWIW

I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.

Great post and spot on

[abc123]

You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?

FWIW

I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.

I'm sure he's a great person, particularly off the field with all he's done, but at some point the mounting evidence in the locker room and on the field seem to indicate that there is more to it other than a bunch of unrelated people that are supposedly "out to get him".
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...super-bowl-run

Wentz struggled with accountability in his last three seasons in Philadelphia and it hurt his standing with teammates and coaches. But it was the torn ACL that ended his 2017 season and denied him the Super Bowl run that revealed character defects and affected him in certain corners of the locker room.

Sometime before the championship game, Wentz voiced his displeasure with the Eagles’ success to a group of other injured players, sources with direct knowledge of the incident said. One of the players immediately confronted him and the two eventually had to be separated.

[yopaulie]

I think the game has changed more than you think. Just for example, Ben’s comp% was below league average just twice in his first 6 seasons and even then just barely (48th and 49th percentile). Wentz has had a completion percentage above league average 1 time in 6 seasons.

While I don't actually disagree about the game changing, Ben just retired. If you can't compare career numbers against a qb who still played last season, then it's not really possible to do any overall career comparisons.

[BISONBRI53]

You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?

FWIW

I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.

Lakes has been. Get the good jock sniffin going on there and a lead on some rich grandma's!

[bisonaudit]

While I don't actually disagree about the game changing, Ben just retired. If you can't compare career numbers against a qb who still played last season, then it's not really possible to do any overall career comparisons.

Of course you can. You just have to adjust them to the environment, which I just did. Places like football-reference.com have all of this stuff.