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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by westnodak93bison View Post
    The "star" system is flawed. If Trey Lance or Carson Wentz would have grown up in a big metro area in CA, TX or FL how many stars would they have had? NDSU just has a bunch of FB players that bust their ass and punch people in the mouth. Should be fun. Bison have nothing to lose.

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    The star system in a player to player micro sense is absolutely flawed but on a macro does a pretty good job of measuring overall talent. Basically more 4 stars is better than less 99% of the time. Wentz and Lance are/were tremendous players and their star ranking was obviously inaccurate but in a more broad sense it does matter. Each of the last 10 national champions had an average of top10 recruiting class for 4 years before they won it. Completely throwing out rankings in regards to a matchup like this is silly because in a macro sense Oregon has a way more talented roster. They just do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by QB11SD View Post
    Absolutely, and I understand the value the NDSU fan base places on the ability to step up and rise to the occasion. Historically at least recently you’ve done it every time and came out on top. I hope my posts didn’t come from a place of, “FCS rabble rabble, 4 star rabble rabble, P5 rabble rabble”. I was purely trying to add context. Frankly I don’t think this game should be very competitive. BUT it’s week one, things can be weird and sloppy and I 100% DO respect the competitive temperament and ability to rise to the occasion for NDSU. I’ve watched 3 games so far of 2019 NDSU and just see some very unfavorable matchups on the LOS that will be too much to overcome. Here is a little sample of what Penei Sewell brings to the table:

    https://twitter.com/peneisewell58/st...140081157?s=21


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    So you don't think this game will be very competitive. Never heard that before......
    Yep awesome player, but when was the last time one player won any football game?

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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by QB11SD View Post
    The star system in a player to player micro sense is absolutely flawed but on a macro does a pretty good job of measuring overall talent. Basically more 4 stars is better than less 99% of the time. Wentz and Lance are/were tremendous players and their star ranking was obviously inaccurate but in a more broad sense it does matter. Each of the last 10 national champions had an average of top10 recruiting class for 4 years before they won it. Completely throwing out rankings in regards to a matchup like this is silly because in a macro sense Oregon has a way more talented roster. They just do.


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    I don't think anyone here would deny that at all. Not sure why the need to say it.

    The most talented team doesn't always win.

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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertDweller View Post
    I'll be the first to say that Trey is an amazing QB, but I'll also say that I don't think he will be able to do the things he does against FCS defenses when they play Oregon. It's a whole different deal when defensive ends are as fast or faster than you.
    Is that southern speed or just west coast, P5 or FBS speed as us mid-westerners never seen that before. Oh my, we gonna lose the game cause you just fasta than us slow farm boys. Game over, why even bother showing up?

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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan View Post
    Iowa is such a bad FBS program that they have more players in the NFL than Oregon and NDSU combined
    Iowa has had a good run of putting OL and TE’s in the NFL with a few DB’s and DL sprinkled in. No one is arguing Iowa’s ability to develop and place talent in the NFL. But that’s over a 10-15 year period we are talking about this current Oregon Roster vs the 2016 Iowa roster. The 2016 Iowa roster had some really good players but also had position groups that were just average for FBS. The strength of this Oregon team (most talented from top to bottom in Oregon history) is that it doesn’t have holes in depth or talent. We also don’t run an antiquated offense that plays into your hands. 2018 NFL 53 man rosters:
    Iowa: 26
    Oregon: 20
    NDSU:6 (super impressive)
    https://m.herosports.com/college-foo...n-rosters-byby




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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDuke View Post
    Thanks for the detailed post! I'll let others more knowledgeable respond with more detail on the Bison, but wanted to get that in before the trolls take over. For whatever reason I've always like the Oregon team, I remember exactly when I heard this game was scheduled. Will be a long-offseason, can't wait for the game!
    Thanks man! Look forward to it.


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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by SDbison View Post
    Yeah, we heard about "playing for Family at Kansas State" until we scored 3 times in a row and had a 9 minute drive to close out and win the game. We heard about Iowas great D until we had them exhausted with hands on their hips in the fourth quarter and then scored a TD and field goal to win the game. Our D shut their running game down. So what do you know about Bison winning tradition?
    Thats my point, Man. I am a Bison fan and alum. I am also an Oregon fan as my son went there from 2009-2013. I have a unique perspective of being able to see this from both sides, and I'm here to tell you this Oregon team is not like the other FBS teams we have played. They are bigger, faster, stronger, deeper and more disciplined than any of those past teams. They are very much like us in the fact they want to out physical you and wear you down. The only difference is they have highly skilled, fast players out wide, which in all likelihood is going to cause a matchup problem. Look, I'm not saying we are going to get blown out, but if Bison fans expect to beat Oregon because of how we played the other FBS teams in the past, they are going to be disappointed.

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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by heffray View Post
    I think if you're going to bring up your 5-star players as the big separator between competition, then bringing up NFL talent fits right in with your model of argument.
    Maybe, but Oregon has never recruited anywhere close to the level that built the 2020 Oregon football team. This is unprecedented so a past sample of NFL doesn’t even remotely accurately reflect this team.


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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertDweller View Post
    As a longtime NDSU fan and reader of Bisonville, I never felt the need to post until now. Listen, Oregon is going to be a different animal than what we have faced with the mid to low tier B1G teams over the years. Having watched almost every Oregon game for the last 10 years (my son went there and graduated in 2013) I feel confident in saying that if you think we will go into Autzen and intimidate and/or out-physical them you are mistaken. Over the years, we have had the good fortune of matching up well with the FBS teams we have played, but the type of athlete we will see next fall in Oregon is not going to be familiar to us. They are both very physical and very fast and play smart. They have future NFL first and second-round picks littered throughout their defense and probably the best left tackle in the last 10-15 years. Oregon compares to no one we have played before. They will be the best, most talent-rich team we have ever faced and are 2-3 deep at most positions. They are well-coached, have an intensely rigorous and regimented offseason training program and will be an extremely cohesive unit, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

    Look, I’m not saying this to let the air out of everyone’s tires, but we need to temper our expectations with this game because some of the talk I have read on here is pretty misguided and uninformed when it comes to the Ducks football team. As they are my adopted FBS team from the time my son was a freshman in 2009 I have followed them closely ever since, and even attended the Rose Bowl this past January. I am a member at one of their subscriber sites and this 120+ page thread is currently being discussed there as well, so rest assured the Bison won’t be overlooked.
    100% agreed. I’m still clinging onto Oregon being focused on Ohio St all off season to not give a shit about and the Bison punch them in the mouth a couple of times. NDSU for sure gives it 100% each play too. But this isn’t Kstate 2 And 3 star recruits.

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    Default Re: NDSU @ Oregon 9.5.2020

    Quote Originally Posted by SDbison View Post
    I keep hearing about the talent gap......yes, Oregon has a bunch more talented players than the Bison. Seems many FBS fans only think about it this way. The reason NDSU will make this a good game, and possibly win it, is by playing with a greater desire to win, executing more consistently, playing with better teamwork (less individual celebratiion than typical FBS players), and never giving up at any time in the game due NDSU's long tradition of winning. The Bison on the field play for something greater than just the current team.
    This is narrow thinking.
    This culture exists outside of Fargo, North Dakota.

    And it certainly exists in the way Mario Cristobal works (offseason and on) and preaches to his team.
    It is why both the Bison and Ducks (2019 edition) get stronger as the game wears on.

    You're right to have a chip on your shoulder but don't let it bleed into ignorance.

    The goal of our team is also to compete for and win a national championship.
    Now, it's much less realistic IMO, but it is becoming their mindset.

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