lets drop baseball and add hockey

[ndsubison1]

not this shit again

[99Bison]

Hammer, just post the scholy's of teh hockies + Title IX vs. baseball, then we can cut this short as usual.

[NorthernBison]

Hockey could potentially make money, baseball is never gonna make money. We have a first class baseball facility, but we can't play on it until the season is half over.

The big question is if we could use scheels arena (i don;t know if it would be possible).

Do some research. Adding Men's hockey would throw Title IX compliance way out of whack. Only way to fix that would be to add either women's hockey or two or possibly three other women's sports. Total overall impact is likely a LOSS of money.

[gotts]

Head on over to downtown Osseo to Dick's bar, have a few beers and then reevaluate this.

[Notorious]

Could our club team just join the WCHA??

[mgbison]

It would be interesting to see the financials of the other wcha schools (st cloud, Duluth, etc) to see how much money they make or lose with hockey. Obviously, if you had to add womens hockey, you'd lose money on that, but baseball's never gonna make any money.

If ushl teams can draw 4000 fans, ndsu should be able to do at least that.

With regards to Moorhead state talking about adding hockey, they must see some way to break even because there isn't a sport at msum that makes money. Plus, being a mn state school, they can't have state aid.

[NorthernBison]

Title IX. Really that's all you need to know.

BTW, don't compare DII schools. 27 fewer football scholarships makes it a completely different dynamic.

[bisonpride]

What a STUPID idea financially!

For starters you have no idea just how much money it takes to operate a D1 Hockey team.


#1- Scholarships.
Baseball 11.7(max)
----We are around 7 right now up from 4 three years ago

Hockey 18

#2- Coaches Salaries
Baseball
Head Coach $58,000
Asst Coach $30,000
Asst Coach $30,000
(baseball just added a 2nd full time asst. position this year and added its 1st full time position in 2006)

Hockey
Head Coach- $232,500 (what Hakstol makes right now which is over 30,000 more then Bohl)
Asst Coach- 100,000 (guessing. Eades might make more)
Asst Coach- 75,000

#3- Operations staff
Operations none (coaches do it all)
Equipment Mgr NDSU Staff
Ath Trainer/St Coach NDSU Staff

Hockey (UND has positions JUST for the sport)
Operations $40,000 (guess)
Equipment Mgr $40,000 (guess)
Ath Trainer/St Coach $75,000 (guess, UND has one guy who serves both for hockey only)

#4- Travel
Baseball- 3 flights this year the rest by bus. Probably around $100,000 for the year.
Hockey- probably 5 bus trips the rest by flight. Probably over $400,000 for the year.

#5- Recruiting Budget (scouting, off campus visits, on campus visits)
Baseball- Maybe $25,000 (which would be 3 times more then it was under McLeod)

Hockey- Cant believe it would be under $250,000. Canadian flights aren't cheap out of Grand Forks.

#6- Equipment-
Baseball- Every year Caps, Cleats, socks, batting gloves, bats and baseballs.
replaced every 3 years helmets and catchers gear
(players purchase their own gloves)
Uniforms are replaced about every 5+ years
Guess is $12-$15,000 a year

Hockey- Pretty sure no player pays for anything. Guessing the stick budget is over half of the baseball total equipment budget. (Probably 60+ sticks at $125 ea.) Besides that hockey protective equipment is NOT CHEAP!

#7- Officials- I dont even want to guess how much more a WCHA official is compared to Summit League baseball rates.

#8- Game Facility staff- Hockey would be MUCH larger considering baseballs is virtually nothing.

My best educated guess for total budget
Baseball- $300,000
Hockey- Well over $1.5 million. The coaching salaries equate the total budget for baseball.

The problem with adding mens hockey is you have to add $$$ to the womens athletic budgets because the title IX issue. Which basically means you have to add womens hockey. The baseball budget is where it is at because of the title IX limits. They get whatever is leftover basically after the other mens sports get what they want.

So you need to look at it this way. Would you rather have womens hockey as a complete $ drain on the football program or baseball minding its own business looking for scraps the football team tosses aside.

Just not a very smart fiscal decision.

[roadwarrior]

Great post bisonpride!

Not to mention the lack of a hockey practice facility.

[344Johnson]

Hockey is really cool! Please continue reading though. Other than Michigan, Mich St, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and maybe a couple more, hockey is a sport for schools that really don't have other moneymakers. I don't want to be a Denver, a Lake Superior, or anything like that.

Very expensive sport but on the bright side it isn't overly difficult to add hockey and be competitive at least from what i've seen. Notre Dame I think re-added hockey in the last 10-15 years and are now very successful. Penn State is getting a team and from what I've heard anyway, are expected by Big Ten schools to be good pretty quickly.

A big reason I think it'd be cool to have is that it'd give me something to watch in the winter other than basketball which has maybe a home game per week. And I think eventually if we could beat UND that'd be pretty awesome to beat them at their own thing. That'd probably take quite awhile.

Lets keep baseball(great facility) and save our money for football/basketball. I am not willing to sacrifice making the big dance and the SHAC so we can make a frozen four. I believe thats what the boosters and alumni have indicated as well.