crooked refs

[bisonboone11]

Sorry... I didn't see the early post on the "personal foul" penalty. Obviously a horrible call though and is probably worth having posted twice.

[bisonboone11]

Also, can someone please tell me if the rule is in place yet for celebrating prior to a touchdown? The play that I'm referring to is the kick return for a touchdown early in the second half (immediately after our kick return for a TD). The EWU player obviously was celebrating prior to crossing the goal line, and the concensus in the crowd was that the penalty should be from the spot of the foul and the touchdown should not have counted. Is this correct?

[SDbison]

My guess is bad video, lack of video or that "convinced beyond all doubt". His threshold must have been higher than all of us.

I hate to add fuel to the fire but while watching parts of the video last night to find the replays I saw 2 personal fouls by the Bison that were not called as well as an illegal shift. They had plenty of other opportunities to "screw" the Bison if that was their intent.

I am sure if you looked long enough (entire game) you could find 5 more penalties that should have been called on EWU. Again, protect your own.

[SDbison]

My guess is bad video, lack of video or that "convinced beyond all doubt". His threshold must have been higher than all of us.

I hate to add fuel to the fire but while watching parts of the video last night to find the replays I saw 2 personal fouls by the Bison that were not called as well as an illegal shift. They had plenty of other opportunities to "screw" the Bison if that was their intent.

So where does this bad video come from? The angles available to TV looked clear enough to me.

[IndyBison]

Face it Indy you would protect a ref like your brother no matter how much they sucked. I still don't think the grading and demotion of refs is a tough as it should be.

I've already said I thought the fumble call was incorrect. In the end my opinion is irrelevant. If the CAA supervisor was disgusted enough by the call, it's entirely possible he worked his last CAA game. The replay official was apparently from the PAC 10 so that would be the call of the PAC 10 supervisor.

[99Bison]

Supposedly the booth guy was an 80 year old Pac 10'er. Probably worked last game.... 25 years ago.

[HerdBot]

Fair comment on the real-time call. I disagree but only because bang-bang plays like that are not always easy to see, especially with all the bodies in and around the ball. When they are that close and instant replay is in play, they are taught to err on the side of fumble. The LJ could very well still get a downgrade on the fumble call even though he only did what he was instructed to do. Replay is not there to cover their backs. It's to get it right. I understand why you think that way. Does anyone know if FCS has used instant replay previously. Since the field officials aren't used to using it and the stadiums aren't used to having it I wonder how many gliches there are.

Someone else mentioned the officials huddling and I did see a couple of them get together quickly. Unless someone had absolute knowledge the runner was down, there isn't much a longer conversation could have resulted in. Only 2 officials would be looking at Jensen at this point and 1 of them (referee--white hat) would have definitely not had a view from where he is. That leaves the LJ (LOS official on the near sideline) as the only official with responsibility for the runner. The field judge (deep corner pylon on near side), back judge (deep middle on end line), and umpire (middle near LBs) are watching blockers primarily but may pick up the runner and help. If one of them saw him down, they would go to the LJ and have the conversation you are talking about. If they only "think" he may have been down, they don't have applicable knowledge.

Mistakes are made. We get it. But when it happens 4 times iat the most key parts of the game it's a trend.

I did some checking and out of all the EWU games, this was their 2nd cleanest game of the year. Another coincidence...


Nevada - 4 for 34
Central Washington - 8 for 52
Montana - 11 for 86
Montana State - 8 for 60
Weber State - 9 for 55
Northern Arizona - 6 for 61
Northern Colorado - 8 for 61
Sacramento State - 5 for 43
Portland State - 7 for 51
Southern Utah - 8 for 81
Idaho State - zero
Southeast Missouri State - 4 for 55
NDSU - 2 for 20

[Walkon79]

whats the deal with the cow bells?? and the fans moving to the end zone? Neither of these are allowed, are they??

I watched the game and was pullin for ya, since you handed us our ass the week before and EWU can't even fill up a HS stadium for a QF game!!

I also complained to the Big Sky about the cowbells, since we were told that the use of artificial noisemakers was prohibited in the playoffs. I thought I even heard a Vuvuseala (sp) or two.

But the fans moving to the endzone? Last I checked there isn't a rule against that.

[IndyBison]

Also, can someone please tell me if the rule is in place yet for celebrating prior to a touchdown? The play that I'm referring to is the kick return for a touchdown early in the second half (immediately after our kick return for a TD). The EWU player obviously was celebrating prior to crossing the goal line, and the concensus in the crowd was that the penalty should be from the spot of the foul and the touchdown should not have counted. Is this correct?

That rule change goes into effect next year. For now, live ball unsportsmanlike conduct fouls are enforced as succeeding spot fouls which means the opposing team has the choice of the try or kickoff on this play. NDSU chose the kickoff which is normal. I wonder if they would have chosen the try instead with the weather conditions as they were. Next year, the penalty would have been enforced at about the 3 so it would have been 1st and 10 for EWU at the Bison 18.

[bisonboone11]

Thanks IndyBison. Just wanted to clarify whether or not that play was ruled correctly. Does anyone have a video of the 3rd and 4 "catch" in the first half that was reviewed and not overturned? I've seen a couple pictures, but I'd love to see the video.

Thanks.