Sun Belt Expansion

[1998braves64]

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We know that NDSU needs a conference extended and to join. Why can't that mean we voice our opinion and hope NDSU is showcasing to G5 conferences what they have to offer? It's like none of you want to make this a talking point at all because it's impossible to do anything without movement from the other side...or you just love where NDSU is at so much that after the 9 peat is done, you'll still think theres something to prove.

it's a serious issue, IMO. More than a lot of you want to care to think.

So is the money required to be competitive at the next level I'd say minimum is $30 million a year. So where are you going to get an extra $10-12-15 million every year, and sustain that into the future. You can Jack ticket prices and teammaker dues at the cost of alienating some of the fan base? I don't think it will net as much as some of you think it will.

This isn't even considering the COA payments which will be even more necessary at FBS level.

[HerdBot]

So is the money required to be competitive at the next level I'd say minimum is $30 million a year. So where are you going to get an extra $10-12-15 million every year, and sustain that into the future. You can Jack ticket prices and teammaker dues at the cost of alienating some of the fan base? I don't think it will net as much as some of you think it will.

This isn't even considering the COA payments which will be even more necessary at FBS level.

The shac and recent basketball success is where the money lies at. We also use school funds at a much lower percentage than say the team from up north

[MNLonghorn10]

So is the money required to be competitive at the next level I'd say minimum is $30 million a year. So where are you going to get an extra $10-12-15 million every year, and sustain that into the future. You can Jack ticket prices and teammaker dues at the cost of alienating some of the fan base? I don't think it will net as much as some of you think it will.

This isn't even considering the COA payments which will be even more necessary at FBS level.

[td577]

So is the money required to be competitive at the next level I'd say minimum is $30 million a year. So where are you going to get an extra $10-12-15 million every year, and sustain that into the future. You can Jack ticket prices and teammaker dues at the cost of alienating some of the fan base? I don't think it will net as much as some of you think it will.

This isn't even considering the COA payments which will be even more necessary at FBS level.

There is always some in the fan base who is in some level of discontent, so chasing that tail gets you nowhere. Not saying you blatantly go out and piss off your fanbase, but no matter what NDSU does, they can't make everybody happy.

As far as the money goes, if it were full membership (meaning all sports) into a conference not names the WAC, MAC, or Sun Belt, then the TV deals would offset the extra money needed considerably. The MAC, WAC, and Sun Belt are screwed that every time they look like they might have some good enough schools to leverage a TV deal, another conference comes along and poaches them.

I don't think NDSU brings a whole lot to the table when it comes to negotiating TV deals, so if they were in one of those conferences, the TV contracts aren't going to look much different. Outside the P5 conferences, most everyone else can negotiate local deals on their own. The one area where NDSU does bring a lot to the table, and I honestly just read about this and don't know how it all works out, is just by staying in the top 50 computer ranking-wise, they would certainly bring up the ranking of any conference they were in. Apparently, there is some math involved in figuring out playoff shares for conferences based on its ranking. Just a couple of spots could be worth a $1M.

I think with the growing disparity among the P5 and G5 conferences, a split is going to happen one way or another. The G5 conferences can't combine bottom priced TV contracts and expectations to spend like the big boys. It isn't worth it for one or two schools out of 90 to compete for a BCS bowl. So NDSU has already dropped to the third tier. Everything needs to shake out to see who is actually where. I don't think it is going to take an extra $30M tomorrow to compete on tomorrow's second tier. I think tomorrow's second tier will look a lot more like today's FCS. The tricky part to all of this is not getting stuck in FCS which is now the third tier. You have the P5, some schools trying to get into the P5, the G5, some schools wondering what G5 schools are moving up, and then the FCS which has schools wondering what to do because if they make considerable financial commitments today it might be for naught tomorrow.

Like Hammersmith said, you put it out there in back channels quietly that NDSU wants to be in whatever conference best fits them when everything starts getting shaken up. When the dust settles, hopefully NDSU is in the second tier, it isn't going to break the bank, and ESPN and CBS are all happy about some stability and starts dishing out serious money for Wednesday night games. That is our future. The one thing that will never change is that FCS is a basketball division. It will stay that way. We do need to be part of a football division at some point.

[1998braves64]

Don't disagree with much of that. Think you misunderstood my $30 million. That was an overall athletics amount not an amount to increase by. Anyway I am in the party that wants to see the p5 and g5 shakeup get settled before we lock in somewhere in FBS since there really isn't a G5 conference in our backyard. But NDSU does need the back channel as hammer smith put to make sure we have options when it happens. But that will not appease the main FBS crowd here... Since they want that public.
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[tjbison]

Lolz......love that

[MAKBison]

Gabe...Well if its true that both NDSU and GSU offered GAEJ WALKER we can test your theory out. I suppose we can throw TYSHAUN INGRAM in theer as well bunch a bottom feeder FBS programs after him. As far as programs go I would say we are simila to GSU and most of the programs after TI. I would give GSU and the other teams the edge in recruiting because they are FBS. Of course I am not blind to the facts of geographic, playing time/ position and all the other considerations that must go into a decision. It will be interesting.

[DePereBisonFan]

Georgia Southern completed a transition to FBS study, got student approval, then announced they were moving up, all before they had an invite from the Sun Belt. ...Just sayin'

[td577]

Georgia Southern completed a transition to FBS study, got student approval, then announced they were moving up, all before they had an invite from the Sun Belt. ...Just sayin'

They started their study when the rules were they had to have attendance and scholarship numbers committed to move up, not an invite. In 2013, an invite was required. When they finalized their study and made the decision an invite came from the Sun Belt in 2013. I don't know at what point in their study if they knew they had to have an invite to complete the process, but in 2012 when they were finishing up all the commitments to move up the rules were different. NDSU could have moved up in 2012, as well. We were above the minimum attendance numbers and would have just had to commit to the scholarships. In 2012, 14 FCS schools had the minimum attendance numbers to move up with NDSU being the only MVFC school who could have done it. App State and Georgia Southern started their studies under those rules. Now, as we know, you need an invite to move up.

[HerdBot]

Gabe...Well if its true that both NDSU and GSU offered GAEJ WALKER we can test your theory out. I suppose we can throw TYSHAUN INGRAM in theer as well bunch a bottom feeder FBS programs after him. As far as programs go I would say we are simila to GSU and most of the programs after TI. I would give GSU and the other teams the edge in recruiting because they are FBS. Of course I am not blind to the facts of geographic, playing time/ position and all the other considerations that must go into a decision. It will be interesting.

Prolly not a good measure.Kids from Florida.

Going from Florida to North Dakota isnt even in the same ballpark as Florida to Georgia. Infact Bruce Anderson was the first Florida player to my knowledge to choose ndsu over fbs guys.

A better test would be if a Minnesota kid chose Georgia Southern

Also gotta find out if they are offering stipends.