Men's Sagarin Ratings

[Sioux_Yeah_Yeah]

Here is Jeff Sagarin's Ratings for D-I Independants Mens B-ball (number shown is overall for D-I teams)
complete list at:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt0405.htm

31 INDEPENDENTS = 63.31 62.61 ( 31) [TEAMS= 10
College Basketball 2004-2005

thru Tuesday, February 15, 2005
140 Texas A&M-CorpusChristi
246 Utah Valley State
254 Texas-Pan American
263 South Dakota State
266 UC Davis
303 Northern Colorado
310 North Dakota State
314 IPFW
330 Longwood
332 Savannah State
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[Sioux_Yeah_Yeah]

For any Sagarin ranking go to:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin.htm

Even though his rankings can be, and regularly are pretty bad!

[mikelsch]

Grain of salt needed....Remember, the players on the current NDSU team were recruited as DII players. All 5 DI recruits are redshirting.

[RABBIT]

Grain of salt needed....Remember, the players on the current NDSU team were recruited as DII players. All 5 DI recruits are redshirting.

Other than NDSU, how many D-I offers did those "D-I" recruits get? I don't think things are looking all that much better for the future for you guys.

[IowaBison]

I do, wait 'til next year.

[BisonMav]

Other than NDSU, how many D-I offers did those "D-I" recruits get? *I don't think things are looking all that much better for the future for you guys.

Below is the Minnesota Preps final rankings for the class of 2004. By Rabbit logic, you two recruits Cadwell and Gilbert are not any better, being in the middle of the pack of the Bison Recruits.

Final Rankings

Rank Name HT POS Location/School College Choice
1 Spencer Tollackson 6’9 C Chaska, MN (Chaska) MINNESOTA
2 Ryan Amoroso 6’8 P/WF Burnsville, MN (Burnsville) MARQUETTE
3 Mitch Henke 6’6 WF Minnetonka, MN (Hopkins) SANTA CLARA
4 Eric Coleman 6’6 PF Oakdale, MN (Tartan) NORTHERN IOWA
5 Everette Pedescleaux 6’6 PF Robbinsdale, MN (Armstrong) MINNESOTA - Football
6 Miles Webb 6’3 2G Brooklyn Park, MN (Park Center) MINNESOTA
7 Steve Neal 6’4 WF Minneapolis, MN (Patrick Henry) WYOMING
8 Jadee Jones 6’1 2G Minnetonka, MN (Hopkins) FURMAN
9 Patrick O’Bryant 6’11 C Blaine, MN (Blaine) BRADLEY
10 Ben Woodside 5’11 PG Albert Lea, MN (Albert Lea) NORTH DAKOTA ST.
11 Jesse Becker 5’11 PG Osseo, MN (Osseo) SOUTH DAKOTA
12 Andre Gilbert 6’6 1/2G Brooklyn Park, MN (Park Center)
13 Brett Winkelman 6’5 WF Morris, MN (Morris) NORTH DAKOTA ST.
14 Bret Brielmaier 6’8 PF Mankato, MN (Loyola)
15 Ryan Gargaro 6’9 C Maplewood, MN (Hill Murray) NEW HAMPSHIRE
16 Tom Conboy 6’8 P/WF Minnetonka, MN (Minnetonka)
17 Matt Cadwell 6’2 1/2G St. Paul, MN (Cretin-Derham Hall)
18 Tom Lunde 6’8 C/PF Ulen, MN (Ulen-Hitterdal) NORTH DAKOTA ST.

[RABBIT]

I do, wait 'til next year.

OK. I can't wait to see these five guys that no other D-I schools wanted, that after one redshirt season are going to be dominating the D-I ranks. Do you seriously think thats going to happen? I mean, there going to be freshman next year, never have played a college basketball game. Lucas Moorman or whatever his name is, is going to go from playing Class A basketball in North Dakota to dominating D-I teams. You can't possibly be serious. I mean, lets just look at their redshirt year, they haven't even practiced against a team that has the same hieght as they do, what do you think they are going to do when they play a real D-I team? Their going to get absolutely dominated. The guys that you brought in don't even begin to address some of the problems you have right now. You've got two 200 lb 6'8 fowards? A 5'11 guard? oh, thats right, their all freshman next year. Yeah, don't worry I'll wait till next year. :

[RABBIT]

Below is the Minnesota Preps final rankings for the class of 2004. *By Rabbit logic, you two recruits Cadwell and Gilbert are not any better, being in the middle of the pack of the Bison Recruits. *

Final Rankings

Rank Name HT POS Location/School College Choice
1 Spencer Tollackson 6’9 C Chaska, MN (Chaska) MINNESOTA
2 Ryan Amoroso 6’8 P/WF Burnsville, MN (Burnsville) MARQUETTE
3 Mitch Henke 6’6 WF Minnetonka, MN (Hopkins) SANTA CLARA
4 Eric Coleman 6’6 PF Oakdale, MN (Tartan) NORTHERN IOWA
5 Everette Pedescleaux 6’6 PF Robbinsdale, MN (Armstrong) MINNESOTA - Football
6 Miles Webb 6’3 2G Brooklyn Park, MN (Park Center) MINNESOTA
7 Steve Neal 6’4 WF Minneapolis, MN (Patrick Henry) WYOMING
8 Jadee Jones 6’1 2G Minnetonka, MN (Hopkins) FURMAN
9 Patrick O’Bryant 6’11 C Blaine, MN (Blaine) BRADLEY
10 Ben Woodside 5’11 PG Albert Lea, MN (Albert Lea) NORTH DAKOTA ST.
11 Jesse Becker 5’11 PG Osseo, MN (Osseo) SOUTH DAKOTA
12 Andre Gilbert 6’6 1/2G Brooklyn Park, MN (Park Center)
13 Brett Winkelman 6’5 WF Morris, MN (Morris) NORTH DAKOTA ST.
14 Bret Brielmaier 6’8 PF Mankato, MN (Loyola) *
15 Ryan Gargaro 6’9 C Maplewood, MN (Hill Murray) NEW HAMPSHIRE
16 Tom Conboy 6’8 P/WF Minnetonka, MN (Minnetonka) *
17 Matt Cadwell 6’2 1/2G St. Paul, MN (Cretin-Derham Hall) *
18 Tom Lunde 6’8 C/PF Ulen, MN (Ulen-Hitterdal) NORTH DAKOTA ST.

Wow... what a great list. Tell me again where Tom Conboy ended up, oh yeah D-III. What about Jesse Becker, USD. Man its almost like that list is worthless indication of who will be a D-I player and who won't. My logic is that Andre Gilbert got 4 or 5 D-I offers. There must be something thats pretty good about him. All 5 of your guys together got 0. Do you get my logic now?

[mikelsch]

Rabbit,

What you makes you think on a starting-from-scratch DI scale men's BBall scale, that SDSU has any more appeal than NDSU? If Gilbert is so good and had any other decent DI offers, he certainly would have played somewhere else. NDSU's recruits would have done the same thing. Both of our schools are DI pee-ons right now. As far as I am concerned, NDSU and SDSU start out next season (first real DI season) as being EQUAL. Also, I don't think anyone in Bison Nation believes that 5 redshirts are going to instantly change the landscape of NDSU basketball. It is such a long process to build a quality DI program.

[RABBIT]

What you makes you think on a starting-from-scratch DI scale men's BBall scale, that SDSU has any more appeal than NDSU? If Gilbert is so good and had any other decent DI offers, he certainly would have played somewhere else

Better facility, better history, better coaches, better recruiting, better current players, better schedule, better future prospects, location closer to his family etc. SDSU has all of these over NDSU, we're not on the same level, at all.

You don't believe me about Gilbert having other offers go to minnesotapreps.com and ask on their message board, he had plenty of offers. That he went to SDSU is a credit to Coach Nagy and his staff.