Eli Green --> Transfer Portal

[56BISON73]

They earned that in the season they played. They fulfilled their commitment. If they were prepaid scholarships for the following season I could see paying that back. But that's not how this works.

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You are misconstruing who I think should pay. FCOA should be given back by the player. All the rest of the compensation should come from the school who poached the kid.

[NI4NI]

They earned that in the season they played. They fulfilled their commitment. If they were prepaid scholarships for the following season I could see paying that back. But that's not how this works.

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Not necessarily. A school would not offer an athlete a full ride based on what they contribute during their Redshirt, Freshman or Sophomore seasons. The true benefits are expected during the Junior & Senior seasons.
Would a farmer go through the time & expense Tilling, Fertilizing, Planting, Spraying a crop and then allow a neighbor to simply come in and harvest the crop? Of course not. Well that is very much what is happening with college athletes.

[THEsocalledfan]

I was a little surprised on how negative McFeely was on the move during Dom's show yesterday. It will be interesting to see where he goes. Pretty darn clear the media has no inside word on a imminent signing with a big program.

[southcliffbison]

Not necessarily. A school would not offer an athlete a full ride based on what they contribute during their Redshirt, Freshman or Sophomore seasons. The true benefits are expected during the Junior & Senior seasons.
Would a farmer go through the time & expense Tilling, Fertilizing, Planting, Spraying a crop and then allow a neighbor to simply come in and harvest the crop? Of course not. Well that is very much what is happening with college athletes.

This is one hell of a comparison; spot on !!

[IndyBison]

You are misconstruing who I think should pay. FCOA should be given back by the player. All the rest of the compensation should come from the school who poached the kid.

Not necessarily. A school would not offer an athlete a full ride based on what they contribute during their Redshirt, Freshman or Sophomore seasons. The true benefits are expected during the Junior & Senior seasons.
Would a farmer go through the time & expense Tilling, Fertilizing, Planting, Spraying a crop and then allow a neighbor to simply come in and harvest the crop? Of course not. Well that is very much what is happening with college athletes.

The student athlete as given a scholarship to be a member of the team for that academic school year (or possibly semester depending on when they transfer). Their role may vary in a given season, but they played the role they were given. If they decide to transfer for any reason, I don't understand why the school should be compensated for the season the student athlete met their obligation. There is no way that is logical. Whether that payment comes from the new school or the athlete is irrelevant. What if the student transfers to a lower level or doesn't end up anywhere? The impact to the departing school is no different in terms of that athlete, but nobody would expect the school to be compensated for the loss.

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[abc123]

Not necessarily. A school would not offer an athlete a full ride based on what they contribute during their Redshirt, Freshman or Sophomore seasons. The true benefits are expected during the Junior & Senior seasons.
Would a farmer go through the time & expense Tilling, Fertilizing, Planting, Spraying a crop and then allow a neighbor to simply come in and harvest the crop? Of course not. Well that is very much what is happening with college athletes.

Scholarships, as they sit today, are year to year. In your scenario, a school should have to guarantee scholarships up front for the entirety of an athletes career, including the seasons they are expecting "true benefits" and the ones they aren't. Otherwise you still have only a one way street that the courts are going to slap down again.

[thunderingherd]

Not necessarily. A school would not offer an athlete a full ride based on what they contribute during their Redshirt, Freshman or Sophomore seasons. The true benefits are expected during the Junior & Senior seasons.
Would a farmer go through the time & expense Tilling, Fertilizing, Planting, Spraying a crop and then allow a neighbor to simply come in and harvest the crop? Of course not. Well that is very much what is happening with college athletes.

More like the young farmhand you've been training for a couple years, decides to go to the neighbor down the road because they offer better pay, better training and better health insurance. If scholarships are year to year, just like a farmhand that doesn't sign a contract, does the farmer that now employs the farmhand owe money to the other farmer?

[NI4NI]

Tell me when a scholarship has been offered to a HS athlete who went on to redshirt a year, play a couple more years and then the scholarship not offered for Jr/Sr year?
When a college offers a HS athlete a 'full ride' it is implied for the entirety of said eligibility. Is it not?

Point taken though. Perhaps when offering a scholarship a binding contract aught to be attached?

[runtheoption]

This whole thread basically sums up why so many people are losing interest in college sports. NIL and especially the transfer portal has sucked the fun out of it for me.

I thought the Portly one was off his rocker when he has suggested multiple times over the last 10 years that too much emphasis is placed, and too much taxpayer money spent, on college sports. I am coming around to his viewpoint. He suggested that collegiate sports should be modeled after clubs -- see NDSU rugby, lacrosse, club baseball, hockey, etc. This is just a guess, but I think those clubs probably fund-raise 95-97% of their budget. That's how it was for us back in the mid to late 90's -- the whole club got around $500-$1000/year from student gov't, other than that we were on our own. We traveled all over the midwest for games 4-6 times per year with the other 4-6 games at home. The travel got expensive. We threw keggers at the "The Party Room" (who remembers that place?) to make money and were constantly asking for donations.

Want a full-ride scholarship and COA? Get good grades for an academic scholarship or convince people to create a specific scholarship/COA endowment for your sport or major. Want to pay for school and didn't get a scholarship? Join the Guard. Want to play sports in college? Better start fundraising and better have a flexible boss for your part-time job during the school year. Want to see a sport succeed at your alma mater? Give 'til hurts, and then give some more.

Should there not be any institutional funds or taxpayer dollars supporting college sports? Seemed like a crazy question to me 10 years ago. Now, not so much.

[CaBisonFan]

This whole thread basically sums up why so many people are losing interest in college sports. NIL and especially the transfer portal has sucked the fun out of it for me.

I thought the Portly one was off his rocker when he has suggested multiple times over the last 10 years that too much emphasis is placed, and too much taxpayer money spent, on college sports. I am coming around to his viewpoint. He suggested that collegiate sports should be modeled after clubs -- see NDSU rugby, lacrosse, club baseball, hockey, etc. This is just a guess, but I think those clubs probably fund-raise 95-97% of their budget. That's how it was for us back in the mid to late 90's -- the whole club got around $500-$1000/year from student gov't, other than that we were on our own. We traveled all over the midwest for games 4-6 times per year with the other 4-6 games at home. The travel got expensive. We threw keggers at the "The Party Room" (who remembers that place?) to make money and were constantly asking for donations.

Want a full-ride scholarship and COA? Get good grades for an academic scholarship or convince people to create a specific scholarship/COA endowment for your sport or major. Want to pay for school and didn't get a scholarship? Join the Guard. Want to play sports in college? Better start fundraising and better have a flexible boss for your part-time job during the school year. Want to see a sport succeed at your alma mater? Give 'til hurts, and then give some more.

Should there not be any institutional funds or taxpayer dollars supporting college sports? Seemed like a crazy question to me 10 years ago. Now, not so much.

Taxpayers should 'not' be building palaces for college or professionals to play in. When a great professor gets about 150K and a coach gets 10 million a year... things have really gone to hell. High schools and colleges are supposedly educational institutions. We're way past that. I say club sports and let them fend for themselves. Without the 'image' of a great university to promote what they do... it would be interesting to see how well they do. I'm with you runtheoption.