Eli Green --> Transfer Portal

[mtoutfitter]

My question is who in the hell employs farmhands and offers health insurance? Maybe Scottie does, but he's always "high". What's next, a 401k plan? disclaimer: just being facetious.....

Agree there Southcliff. Never worked on a farm but I did work on a lot of cow outfits. Health insurance....

[IndyBison]

If stadiums made money, people (not cities) would be lining up to own them.

I'm with RTO. I don't see how this will be sustainable for smaller programs like NDSU. Something has got to give. I'm starting to see a scenario where the lower divisions of football are not allowed to give out anything above scholarships.

The money comes in both direct and indirect ways. The economic impact of those stadiums is greater than the revenue generated for tickets but the related business of people who attend events. Hotels, restaurants, transportation are obvious. I know things like museums and malls get a bump around these events also. Local companies benefit from entertaining around these events. I used to work for a large manufacturer, and we would sponsor Colts, Pacers and IndyCar driver. We would have channel partners from around the country attend these events. That marketing expense was measurable in building loyalty with existing clients and recruiting new clients. If we didn't have those teams, our opportunity to do those things would be much less. Plus it was a cool perk as an employee in the marketing department to help host.

Since all those perks benefit the community as a whole, it makes sense for the city to own and oversee the property. They are city investments just like parks and museums.

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[CaBisonFan]

How many head football coaches are there at that university? How many professors? How much revenue is that football program bringing into the athletic department? How much indirect revenue does the football program bring into the university? How many of us would know about Duke or Villanova or Gonzaga if not for college athletics? How much revenue is brought into the school due to specific professors?

Head coaches of college sports programs are paid in relation to the revenue their sports bring in. That's why the head coach at Alabama makes a lot more than the head coach at Tulane who makes a lot more than the head coach at NDSU who makes more than the head coach at Winona State and so forth.

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An educational institution is not supposed to be a capitalistic endeavor. Priorities are supposed to be based upon the educational needs for 'all' students... and the curriculum that is required to make each program exceptional. You're confusing universities with corporations. The professors are there to teach and to do research... not raise money. And Indy... you don't mention the hidden costs of an athletic program... which is never publicized. In my post I wrote about the cost of building major facilities. Taxpayers pay for those. Not the football coach's ability to draw fans. How do we know about MIT? Harvard? Yale? Stanford? Columbia? Cal Berkeley? And others? Mostly because of their elite academics. Which is what a university should be. You're right about a lot of things here on bisonville Indy... but you're wrong on this one. Sports rely on universities for the most part. Without the name-recognition of a university... most athletics prior to professional teams would be like G League or minor league programs... with no name recognition. In other words... the European model. Football programs like Alabama are the exception... not the standard. But you raise a good question. Would we know about Duke, or Villanova, or Gonzaga? In the case of Duke and Villanova... people would know because of their academic excellence. Gonzaga is an anomaly. They are known because Quest casino pours money into their basketball program. Did you know that there are Quest logos on their playing floor? How else would you bring a school about the size of Concordia... in Spokane... to national prominence? .......... The five institutions with the largest endowments in 2021 were Harvard (53 billion)... Yale (42 billion)... University of Texas System Office (40 billion)... Stanford (35 billion) and Princeton (37 billion). Their academia dwarfs athletics. I doubt that their professors make millions... according to your logic.

[KSBisonFan]

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[Professor Chaos]

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I try not to get too bent out of shape about what former coaches do in terms of recruiting after they leave NDSU but if Green goes to USC that would really really really piss me off after hearing Entz whine on numerous occasions while he was here about coaches at other schools "tampering" with his players and getting them into the portal.

[G_Funky]

I try not to get too bent out of shape about what former coaches do in terms of recruiting after they leave NDSU but if Green goes to USC that would really really really piss me off after hearing Entz whine on numerous occasions while he was here about coaches at other schools "tampering" with his players and getting them into the portal.

I doubt Entz was the deciding factor. If his eyes were set on USC from the jump, why would he list all 21 schools? When he entered the portal, Im sure he told the folks down in LA that this kid is a baller and they should offer.

[IndyBison]

An educational institution is not supposed to be a capitalistic endeavor. Priorities are supposed to be based upon the educational needs for 'all' students... and the curriculum that is required to make each program exceptional. You're confusing universities with corporations. The professors are there to teach and to do research... not raise money. And Indy... you don't mention the hidden costs of an athletic program... which is never publicized. In my post I wrote about the cost of building major facilities. Taxpayers pay for those. Not the football coach's ability to draw fans. How do we know about MIT? Harvard? Yale? Stanford? Columbia? Cal Berkeley? And others? Mostly because of their elite academics. Which is what a university should be. You're right about a lot of things here on bisonville Indy... but you're wrong on this one. Sports rely on universities for the most part. Without the name-recognition of a university... most athletics prior to professional teams would be like G League or minor league programs... with no name recognition. In other words... the European model. Football programs like Alabama are the exception... not the standard. But you raise a good question. Would we know about Duke, or Villanova, or Gonzaga? In the case of Duke and Villanova... people would know because of their academic excellence. Gonzaga is an anomaly. They are known because Quest casino pours money into their basketball program. Did you know that there are Quest logos on their playing floor? How else would you bring a school about the size of Concordia... in Spokane... to national prominence? .......... The five institutions with the largest endowments in 2021 were Harvard (53 billion)... Yale (42 billion)... University of Texas System Office (40 billion)... Stanford (35 billion) and Princeton (37 billion). Their academia dwarfs athletics. I doubt that their professors make millions... according to your logic.

Nothing you said is wrong. But the athletics programs within a university are their own entity in many ways. They are a great marketing tool for the school in many cases. Butler is another good example. Very good small private school with a beautiful campus in Indianapolis. It was known locally and regionally as a good school, but outside of that, the only exposure would have been the filming location for the final scene in Hoosiers (and where the actual game was played in 1954). They made a couple little runs in the NCAA tournament in the early 2000s including Sweet 16 appearances in 2003 and 2007. But the Final Fours in 2010 and 2011 significantly changed the awareness of the school. I forget exact numbers but the number of applications skyrocketed. They built like crazy on a campus that didn't have much space to expand.

Your examples of elite universities are the exceptions. Their professors are likely paid more than other lesser known schools, but they aren't going to be making similar money to a football or basketball coach. There are also several more professors than there are football coaches.

On the sports side, you also have to compete with other schools at your level to get the best coaches so if you are going to pay less, you are going to have a hard time finding out keeping good coaches. If that happens you are likely to struggle and generate less revenue. So the success of the coach can be directly related to revenue the athletic department generates. Individual professors are less likley to have the same relationship to tuition revenue. They may have grants or other awards they may bring in, and their compensation could be tied to those items. If you added the salaries of the collected professors, it would likley dwarf the salary of the head coach (and probably all coaches). I agree the collegiate world is different than the capitalistic corporate world. But compensation like this is similar. Not unlike the executive for a non-profit. Those who are great at raising money are usually highly compensated. The executive who is able to raise $10m is more valuable than the one who can raise $5m. Even if they are paid $600k, the organization comes out ahead with that investment.

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[td577]

I dont get why a 5 year buy out would be required. Every school basically knows what it has invested in a student athlete. Another school wants your kid. OK its going to cost you X. For the athlete transferring he knows the risks. Plus that school can write their own contract with the kid for coming.

I get both sides here. Grizzled is on the mark with year to year commitments from the school but 56 is also right because NIL is third party agreement. A business entering a NIL agreement could sign for more than one year and implement buy backs.

It would get really hairy. Clauses for not making the team and leaving. The student/athlete will just say give me a little less and we'll keep it year to year like my scholarship.

It's going to be interesting because right now there doesn't seem to be any loyalty. Maybe that will change as everyone gets used to the different systems available and what happens to student/ athletes in the long run.

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[IndyBison]

I get both sides here. Grizzled is on the mark with year to year commitments from the school but 56 is also right because NIL is third party agreement. A business entering a NIL agreement could sign for more than one year and implement buy backs.

It would get really hairy. Clauses for not making the team and leaving. The student/athlete will just say give me a little less and we'll keep it year to year like my scholarship.

It's going to be interesting because right now there doesn't seem to be any loyalty. Maybe that will change as everyone gets used to the different systems available and what happens to student/ athletes in the long run.

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The only reason there was loyalty before was because the athlete had to sit out for a year if they transferred up or within the FBS level. NIL gave schools another tool to help recruit so that added to it. Call it forced loyalty. Not unlike the golden handcuffs someone who has worked for many years at the same place and has a ton of PTO and possibly a pension. They may not like their job, but they know if they leave, they see giving up a lot of benefits they don't get at the next place.

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[td577]

The only reason there was loyalty before was because the athlete had to sit out for a year if they transferred up or within the FBS level. NIL gave schools another tool to help recruit so that added to it. Call it forced loyalty. Not unlike the golden handcuffs someone who has worked for many years at the same place and has a ton of PTO and possibly a pension. They may not like their job, but they know if they leave, they see giving up a lot of benefits they don't get at the next place.

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I hope that changes. Quinyon Mitchell was on everyone's list after his junior year. Every big time school in the nation was making sure the young man knew he was welcome to their program if he was to transfer.

Mitchell said he could have gone anywhere and made a lot of money transferring but Toledo was the only d-1 school who offered him and he felt he owed the program to stay.

By its nature, NDSU recruits kids who might be missing something that would make him an impact player at a p5 school. I hope some of those that build up to being legitimate p5 players will remember who offered and helped get them there. Hopefully, more will stay.

It's a five year program (four for some), you follow it, and if you are good enough, the nfl will find you. They will find you having developed into a good player with a degree and hopefully some maturity.

Or NDSU becomes a feeder program and builds up better recruiting classes it can use right away. No more redshirts and you start contributing on day one. You are a p5 potential athlete where you become a four year starter by doing the first two as a Bison. Now, you need relationships at the p5 level instead of recruiting adversaries.

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