Thoughts On The 2024 Season

[southcliffbison]

Adding to HerdBot’s post above, the DT Coach Entz & Co had recruited was:
Kian Payne - St. Thomas Aquinas (Overland Park, KS) 6-4 / 255

Great highlight package, looked like he could do it all.
But, with Payne being a Kansas kid, and KState being short on DL recruits at the time, he accepted their PWO offer and decommited from NDSU.
In my totally amateur non-coach opinion, I would argue he would be better off with a team that runs a 4 man DLine. And KState doesn’t……

Hopefully the coaches find another DT for the recruiting class.

It's times like these that I wish Klieman had acepted a job in Florida.

[HerdBot]

Adding to HerdBot’s post above, the DT Coach Entz & Co had recruited was:
Kian Payne - St. Thomas Aquinas (Overland Park, KS) 6-4 / 255

Great highlight package, looked like he could do it all.
But, with Payne being a Kansas kid, and KState being short on DL recruits at the time, he accepted their PWO offer and decommited from NDSU.
In my totally amateur non-coach opinion, I would argue he would be better off with a team that runs a 4 man DLine. And KState doesn’t……

Hopefully the coaches find another DT for the recruiting class.

Payne was a DE though...but even if the plan was to add weight and move him inside, that was. 2 year project to add 30+ pounds. Not a fan of his 2 year planning unless he is 100% confident Magin and Palmer will develop

[mtoutfitter]

Payne was a DE though...but even if the plan was to add weight and move him inside, that was. 2 year project to add 30+ pounds. Not a fan of his 2 year planning unless he is 100% confident Magin and Palmer will develop

Not a fan of 2 yr planning? Tell me, how many O or D Lineman at NDSU see the field consistently in their first 2 yrs?

[HerdBot]

Not a fan of 2 yr planning? Tell me, how many O or D Lineman at NDSU see the field consistently in their first 2 yrs?

It depends if they are physically ready or a project where they need to add weighy

Zack Johnson started at LG as a freshman. He was also 320 pounds.
Nash Jensen redshirted, was #2 on depth chart as a freshman and a 3 year starter
Grey Zabel started 5 games as a true freshman until he got injured.
Cole Jirik redshirted and started for 4 years.
Billy Turner started as a freshman
Joe Haeg redshirted and was a 4 year starter
Kyle Emanuel redshirted and was a 4 year starter
Nate Tanguay redshirted and was a 4 year starter
Leevon Perry redshirted and was a 4 year starter
Greg Menard had his redshirt pulled 2 games into his true freshman season

Do you want me to keep going?

[mtoutfitter]

You're right....some do. My point was that most don't lineman don't play much their first 2 yrs. IIRC both Zabel and Haeg were playing in the 275 LB range as Frosh after coming in much lighter than that.

[HerdBot]

You're right....some do. My point was that most don't lineman don't play much their first 2 yrs. IIRC both Zabel and Haeg were playing in the 275 LB range as Frosh after coming in much lighter than that.

True but they were so athletic they could pull it off. I think we as Bison fans tend to think every guy is like Cody Mauch ot Cordell Volson. Truth is many are but an overwhelming number of guy are like Dillon Radunz. Redshirt. Crack the lineup as a freshman and get better each year

That's why I was pissed last year when Entz didnt play the young guys at several positions who were obviously more talented

[bruinbison]

From the Forum back when he committed

……Payne is projected to play defensive tackle for the Bison and is part of the 2024 football recruiting class. He had an official visit with NDSU in mid-June. The Bison have 15 commitments for the 2024 class…..

This would have been a big get for the Bison. Perhaps a Prototype DT for their system. But, flipping happens every year nowadays

[mtoutfitter]

True but they were so athletic they could pull it off. I think we as Bison fans tend to think every guy is like Cody Mauch ot Cordell Volson. Truth is many are but an overwhelming number of guy are like Dillon Radunz. Redshirt. Crack the lineup as a freshman and get better each year

That's why I was pissed last year when Entz didnt play the young guys at several positions who were obviously more talented

Went and looked at true Frosh weights for guys you mentioned

Jirik...215 lbs
Perry...255 lbs
Emanuel....221 lbs
Hardie....226 lbs
Haeg....266 lbs
Turner....289 lbs
Zabel...284 lbs
Jensen was a horse when he got here.

[bruinbison]

I see where Eli Mostaert was listed at 6’ 4” 235 by 247 when he signed.
Turned out to be 6’ 3”, but got his weight up to the 275-280 range

[HerdBot]

From the Forum back when he committed



This would have been a big get for the Bison. Perhaps a Prototype DT for their system. But, flipping happens every year nowadays

As a 3 tech DT, he would have redshirted to add weight. No DT plays at 255. Maybe hit 270 as a redshirt freshman and be undersized. 285 as a sophmore and he's an impact playet. 300 by a junior. Then we got a star like Nate Tanguay

At DE, he was big enough to play as a true freshman. Both routes would have worked