Some perspective after things have calmed down.

[heffray]

How many of those players did Entz recruit?

I’m not even sure which answer to root for…

[mtoutfitter]

How many of those players did Entz recruit?

I would say he wasn't their regional/original recruiter but guessing he was HC at time most signed. Edit....Bussey, Jones, Gonella, Hart, Sigle, Eubanks and maybe more were all brought here under his watch. So if these guys are all going FBS how can they be recruiting the wrong guys....according to Crapo at least?

[BigHorns]

How many of those players did Entz recruit?

You're saying all our worries are Jimmies and Joes, not x's and o's ?

[EagleBison]

Is 2020 Entz first year for recruits?

NORTH DAKOTA STATE 2020 FOOTBALL SIGNING CLASS
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Yr. Hometown/Previous Schools
Seth Anderson OL/DL 6-5 253 Fr. Moorhead, Minn./Moorhead HS
Oscar Benson LB 6-0 180 Fr. Hillsboro, N.D./Hillsboro HS
Jack Bram TE 6-3 215 Fr. Maryville, Mo./Maryville HS
Courtney Eubanks CB 5-10 175 Fr. St. Petersburg, Fla./Admiral Farragut Academy
Dominic Gonnella RB 5-11 190 Fr. Riverview, Fla./Bloomingdale HS
Tyson Gordon S 6-2 177 Fr. Omaha, Neb./Skutt Catholic HS
DJ Hart WR 6-0 180 Fr. Suwanee, Ga./North Gwinnett HS
Nolan Jacobs DT 6-2 243 Fr. Cedar Rapids, Iowa/Kennedy HS
TK Marshall RB 5-11 189 Fr. Minneapolis, Minn./Southwest HS
Cam Miller QB 6-1 205 Fr. Solon, Iowa/Solon HS
Mason Miller OL 6-6 232 Fr. Ada, Minn./Ada-Borup HS
RaJa Nelson WR 5-8 175 Fr. Lakeville, Minn./Lakeville North HS
Loshiaka Roques DE 6-3 215 Fr. Maple Grove, Minn./Wayzata HS
Ty Satter S 6-1 167 Fr. Fargo, N.D./Fargo Davies HS
Marques Sigle CB 5-10 170 Fr. Omaha, Neb./Omaha North HS
Joe Stoffel TE 6-3 234 Fr. River Falls, Wis./River Falls HS
Cole Wisniewski LB 6-3 189 Fr. Sparta, Wis./Sparta HS
Grey Zabel OL 6-5 247 Fr. Pierre, S.D./T.F. Riggs HS
RECRUITED WALK-ONS (12)
Andre Carrier TE 6-3 197 Fr. Cavalier, N.D./Cavalier HS
Joseph Deyak WR 6-2 190 Fr. West St. Paul, Minn./St. Thomas Academy
Bryce Friday DT 6-4 240 Fr. Markesan, Wis./Markesan HS
Nathan Goldade RB 5-10 202 Fr. West Fargo, N.D./Sheyenne HS
Jesse Hastings FB 5-11 229 Fr. Woonsocket, S.D./Mount Vernon HS
Hayden Johnston OL 6-1 259 Fr. Albert Lea, Minn./Albert Lea HS
Sam Jung S 5-10 175 Fr. Neenah, Wis./Neenah HS
Joe Kava DT 5-11 229 Fr. Moorhead, Minn./Fargo Shanley HS
Nick Radunz OL 6-3 295 Jr. Becker, Minn./Becker HS/NDSCS
Trey Steinbach DE 6-3 220 Fr. Marshall, Minn./Marshall HS
Tyler Terhark WR 6-2 192 Fr. Horace, N.D./Sheyenne HS
Nathan Whiting K 5-11 201 Fr. Rosemount, Minn./Rosemount HS

[Kevin]

You're saying all our worries are Jimmies and Joes, not x's and o's ?

i don't know what that means bro

but yes.

[HerdBot]

Is 2020 Entz first year for recruits?

NORTH DAKOTA STATE 2020 FOOTBALL SIGNING CLASS
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Yr. Hometown/Previous Schools
Seth Anderson OL/DL 6-5 253 Fr. Moorhead, Minn./Moorhead HS
Oscar Benson LB 6-0 180 Fr. Hillsboro, N.D./Hillsboro HS
Jack Bram TE 6-3 215 Fr. Maryville, Mo./Maryville HS
Courtney Eubanks CB 5-10 175 Fr. St. Petersburg, Fla./Admiral Farragut Academy
Dominic Gonnella RB 5-11 190 Fr. Riverview, Fla./Bloomingdale HS
Tyson Gordon S 6-2 177 Fr. Omaha, Neb./Skutt Catholic HS
DJ Hart WR 6-0 180 Fr. Suwanee, Ga./North Gwinnett HS
Nolan Jacobs DT 6-2 243 Fr. Cedar Rapids, Iowa/Kennedy HS
TK Marshall RB 5-11 189 Fr. Minneapolis, Minn./Southwest HS
Cam Miller QB 6-1 205 Fr. Solon, Iowa/Solon HS
Mason Miller OL 6-6 232 Fr. Ada, Minn./Ada-Borup HS
RaJa Nelson WR 5-8 175 Fr. Lakeville, Minn./Lakeville North HS
Loshiaka Roques DE 6-3 215 Fr. Maple Grove, Minn./Wayzata HS
Ty Satter S 6-1 167 Fr. Fargo, N.D./Fargo Davies HS
Marques Sigle CB 5-10 170 Fr. Omaha, Neb./Omaha North HS
Joe Stoffel TE 6-3 234 Fr. River Falls, Wis./River Falls HS
Cole Wisniewski LB 6-3 189 Fr. Sparta, Wis./Sparta HS
Grey Zabel OL 6-5 247 Fr. Pierre, S.D./T.F. Riggs HS

RECRUITED WALK-ONS (12)
Andre Carrier TE 6-3 197 Fr. Cavalier, N.D./Cavalier HS
Joseph Deyak WR 6-2 190 Fr. West St. Paul, Minn./St. Thomas Academy
Bryce Friday DT 6-4 240 Fr. Markesan, Wis./Markesan HS
Nathan Goldade RB 5-10 202 Fr. West Fargo, N.D./Sheyenne HS
Jesse Hastings FB 5-11 229 Fr. Woonsocket, S.D./Mount Vernon HS
Hayden Johnston OL 6-1 259 Fr. Albert Lea, Minn./Albert Lea HS
Sam Jung S 5-10 175 Fr. Neenah, Wis./Neenah HS
Joe Kava DT 5-11 229 Fr. Moorhead, Minn./Fargo Shanley HS
Nick Radunz OL 6-3 295 Jr. Becker, Minn./Becker HS/NDSCS
Trey Steinbach DE 6-3 220 Fr. Marshall, Minn./Marshall HS
Tyler Terhark WR 6-2 192 Fr. Horace, N.D./Sheyenne HS
Nathan Whiting K 5-11 201 Fr. Rosemount, Minn./Rosemount HS

ABOVE, I the Bolded are players that are no longer on the roster. 18 Scholarship players. 9 remain. That's 50%. Of the 9 that left, Sigle, Eubanks, and Hart were good players who contributed, so it's not like it was talent.

4 of the 12 remain, but Hastings never signed. He got a full ride at USD

By comparison, let's take a look at the 2009-2010 recruiting classes, one of our best ever. Retention is so high, I can simply bold the players who left. Those back to back classes built the dynasty. HOWEVER, the 2011 class kind of sucked because the 2009-2010 were so good

Verbals(22)
Garrett Bruhn, 6'2, 215, Beatrice, NE *1/20/2009*
Ryan Drevlow, 6'5, 240, Gwinner, ND (Milnor/North Sargent) *12/16/2008*
Josh Gatlin, 6'2, 195, Jacksonville, FL/NDSCS *12/17/2008*
Tyler Gimmestad, 6'4, 270, Marshall, MN *12/9/2008*
Andrew Grothman, 6'1, 210, Hillsboro, ND *12/16/2008*
Sidney Haynes, 6'3, 215, Suwanee, GA (transfer from Central Florida) *1/16/2009*
Hank Jacobs, 6'4, 275, Beaver Dam, WI *12/18/2008*
Brandon Jemison, 6'1, 195, Fargo (Fargo South), ND *12/16/2008*
Brock Jensen, 6'3, 210, Waupaca, WI *1/29/2009*
Jeff Jerve, 6'4, 270, Montevideo, MN *12/22/2008* **CAREER ENDING INJURY**
Cole Jirik, 6'4, 220, Northfield, MN *12/15/2008*
Justin Juckem, 6'5, 245, Chilton, WI *12/8/2008*
Taylor Nelson, 6'5, 230, Minnetonka, MN *1/26/2009*
Sam Ojuri, 6'1, 190, Barrington, IL *1/26/2009*
Bobby Ollman, 5'11, 200, Homestead, WI *1/20/2009*
Leevon Perry, 6'5, 245, St. Paul (St. Agnes), MN *1/14/2009*
Nicalaus Powell-Calhoun, 6'4, 210, Santa Ana (Segerstrom), CA *1/27/2009*
Sam Rogers, 6'2, 210, West Los Angeles Community College, CA *2/2/2009*
Michael Sigers, 5'9, 170, Houston (Forest Brook), TX *1/31/2009*
Kevin Vaadeland, 6'4, 225, Park Rapids, MN *6/24/2008*
A.J. Van Voorhis, 5'9, 180, Champlain Park, MN *1/20/2009*
Cooper Wahlo Jr., 6'2, 175, Woodbury, MN *1/29/2009*

Preferred Walkons
Logan Hushka, 5'11, 190, Fargo (Shanley), ND
Derrick Lang, 6'1, 205, Wausau West, WI
Danny Luecke, 6'5, 225, Fargo (South), ND

Let's look at 2010. Out of 27, only 6 left. Of the 6, one was a JUCO who never made it on campus. The other was a walkon. The 3rd ended up going D2 for a scholarship

SIGNEES (27)
Boen Anderson, 6-3, 300, Minnetonka, MN/NDSCS (JUCO), OL 12/8/2009 Kolpack/Forum
Travis Beck, 6-1, 190, Langdon/Munich, ND, ATH, 12/11/2009 Kolpack/Forum/Bison Media Blog
Arieal Boyd, 6-2, 190, NDSCS/Laporte, TX, DB, 3/13/2010 Bison Media Blog
Don Carter, 6-1, 220, Lake Forest (Lake Forest Academy), IL, LB 9/24/2009 Kolpack/Forum (first reported WDAY radio by same)
Zach Colvin, 5-9, 152, Superior, WI, DB/KR 8/9/2009 WisSports.net
John Crockett, 6-0, 190, Minneapolis (Totino Grace), MN, 2/2/2010 Signing day announcement
Christian Dudzik, 5-11, 180, Omaha (Skutt Catholic), NE, 12/23/2009 WDAY and Fargo Forum
Kyle Emanuel, 6-3, 225, Schuyler, NE, LB, 11/30/2009 Kolpack/Fargo Forum
Dillon Forbes, 6-2, 235, Mequon (Homestead), WI / Harper (JUCO), LB, 11/30/2009 Kolpack/Fargo Forum **Dillon never made it to campus**
Trevor Gebhart, 6-2, 180, Sioux Falls (Washington), SD, WR, 8/13/2009 Argus Leader
Tyler Gefroh, 6-2, 200, Grand Forks (Red River), ND, LB 10/10/2009 Hallstrom/WDAY/Bison Media Blog
Michael (Mike) Hardie, 6-4, 205, Sioux Falls (O'Gorman), SD, DL 7/13/2009 Fargo Forum (first reported by Terry V of the Argus Leader)
Colten Heagle, 6-0, 181, Kimberly, WI, DB 7/9/2009 WisSports.net
Jesse Hinz, 6-4, 280, Beatrice, NE, DL/OL 8/17/2009 Huskers Illustrated
Wesley Hudson, 5-10, 180, Katy, TX, ATH 1/28/2010 Fargo Forum
Adam Keller, 6-1, 190, Lewisberry (Red Land), PA, K, 3/9/2010 Bison Media Blog
Carlton Littlejohn, 6-2, 200, Minneapolis (North), MN, S, Bison Media Blog
Michael Murphy, 6-0, 230, Hollister (San Benito), CA, LS/LB Signing Day announcement
Grant Olson, 6-2, 220, Plymouth (Wayzata), MN, LB 12/31/2009 WDAY and Fox News reported it first.
Andy Pfeiffer, 6-0, 190, Mankato (Mankato West), MN, S, 11/25/2009 Bison Media ***NEVER SIGNED, WENT D2
Jason Pomerenke, 6-5, 300, Sioux City, IA, OL 8/27/2009 WDAY 10pm news
Tevin Pittman, 6-4, 193, Osceola, WI, WR (Preferred Walkon) WisSports.net
Adam Schueller, 6-4, 295, Fergus Falls, MN, OL 8/25/2009 WDAY
Ryan Smith, 5-7, 165, Wahpeton, ND, RB/WR 8/3/2009 Wahpeton Daily News (first reported on AM 740)
Esley Thorton, 6-2, 190, Bismarck, ND, QB, 8/21/2009 KYFR TV
Billy Turner, 6-5, 270, Arden Hills (Mounds View), MN, OL 11/07/2009 Hallstrom/Bison Media Blog
Zach Vraa, 6-2, 185, Rosemount, MN, WR 1/6/2010 Bison Media Blog
Chad Willson, 5-11, 230, Snow College (JUCO) / Layton HS, UT, LB 1/5/2010 http://www.areavoices.com/bisonmedia/

However... when you have 2 stud back to back classes, a mediocre class like 2011 is bound to happen

VERBALS (20)
Lucas Albers, 6-6, 240, TE, Iola (Scandanavia), WI 1/31/2011 Bison Media Blog
Andrew Bonnet, 6-3, 225, FB, Underwood, IA 12/20/2010 Bison Media Blog
Jordan Champion, 5-9, 160, CB/RB,Avondale (Westview), AZ 12/16/2010 Scout.com
Joshua Colville, 6-3, 280, OL, Minnetonka, MN 12/20/2010 Bison Media Blog
DeShawn Dinwidde, 6-2, 215, LB, Hutchinson, KS, 1/18/2011 Bison Media Blog
Berkley Grimm, 6-0, 240, FB, Regina, IA 1/18/2011 Bison Media Blog
Joe Horvath, 6-3, 245, DL, Stevens Point, WI, 9/22/2010 Bison Media Blog
Matt Jones, 5-10, 198, RB, Scottsdale (Horizon), AZ 9/30/2010 Bison Media
Ben LeCompte, 5-10, 180, P/K, Barrington, IL 1/18/2011 Daily Herald (IL)
Derek Lee, 6-4, 245, TE, Maize, KS 11/9/2010 Bison Media Blog
Josh Lisenby, 6-2, 236, DL, Chicago (DeLaSalle), 1/31/2011 EdgyTim
Danell Miles, 6-0, 190, S, Goodyear AZ 1/4/2011 rivals
Lyle Norman, 6-4, 232, LB, Roseau, MN 1/25/2011 Bison Media Blog
Andrew Okland, 6-4, 195, WR, Fargo (south), ND 1/3/2011 WDAY (waiting for link)
Nick Scoliere, 6-2, 205, S/LB, Aurora (Marmion Academy), IL 1/18/2011 Bison Media Blog
C.J. Smith, 6-0, 175, WR/DB, Burnsville, MN 12/16/2010 Minnesota Preps.com
Joey Sonnenfeld, 6-4, 200, ATH, Osseo, MN 10/6/2010 Bison Media Blog
Ryan Stanford, 6-2, 180, QB, Scottsdale (Horizon), AZ 9/30/2010 Bison Media
Frank Veldman, 6-4, 190, Apple Valley (Eastview), WR 1/23/2011 MinnesotaPreps.com
Carson Wentz, 6-5, 205, QB, Bismarck (Century), ND 1/3/2011 Bison Media Blog

WALK-ONS (9)
Brennan Cable, 6-2, 240, FB, Marshall, MN
Brandon Chrest, 6-3 195, LB/S, Cavalier, ND
Dylan Dunn, 6-3, 200, WR, Shanley, ND
Joe Haeg, 6-5, 245, OT, Brainerd, MN
Alex LaVoy, 6-1, 210, LB, Mahnomen, MN
Jacob Lesar, 6-6, 310, OG, Hermantown, MN
Nate Moody, 6-3, 190, WR, Dickinson, ND 1/31/2011 Monke's blog
Leighton Talmadge, 6-6, 220 DE, Bismarck, ND
Dan Wood, 6-4, 240, DL, Pelican Rapids, MN 1/25/2011 Bison Media

[Bisonator98]

A better comparison would probably be 2015, 1st year for Klieman's recruits?

[HerdBot]

A better comparison would probably be 2015, 1st year for Klieman's recruits?

You're going to have classes with high attrition if the team is really good. 2009-2010 was our best back to back classses in history. That mean the 2011 class kind of sucked.

Then again if the transfer portal was available post 2011, would it have been different? Would guys like Billy Turner, Emmamual and Crockett stuck around?

Also the extra covid year really fucked up rosters. Some players got an extra year by transfering. Kobe, Dom Jones and Hayes fit that bill

[BigHorns]

i don't know what that means bro

but yes.

https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php...immys_and_joes

I'm inclined to think its a bit of both for us right now.
We got stubborn on playcalling based on having superior talent.

[bruinbison]

From KState site:

Klieman, a proven winner with a championship history, was named the 35th head football coach in Kansas State history on December 10, 2018