2023 Depth Chart Talk

[HerdBot]

Which November did we last peak in?

November was basically every regular season game after the SDSU loss when we played good footbal. Although that usually carries over into the playoffs. At least it did under Klieman.

Under our current coordinators we have struggled at times in December.

[bruinbison]

We can talk about Entz's recruiting now? But I thought we lost our Bison card doing so and the green and gold glasses must stay on on BV.
SDSU knew they had to do something different to win like the Bison so Stigs recruited like the Bison and look at them now. Entz and his staff on the other hand...well...I've got my glasses on.

When could you not talk about Bison recruiting???
Do you have examples?

[bruinbison]

Since Entz took over recruiting has declined. Lack of big lineman on D especially, lack of tall TEs, etc.

The tall TE’s may already be on campus, it’s just a matter of who, hopefully, steps forward next season. Plus Joe Stoffel will be around for another year or two at a size closer to Ben Ellefson.
Carson Williams - 6’ 4” 240 RFr
Finn Diggins - 6’ 4” 247 RFr
Kelby Azure - 6’ 4” 227 FR
Kaden Zenzen - 6’ 4” 227 FR
Nate Forystek - 6’ 5” 237 FR

Overall I would mention that by 247’s standards the Bison are still doing very well recruiting.
That would be regarding number of stars/ratings/number of offers.
But yes, the height/overall size of the OL/DL seems smaller.
Does not mean they can’t be very good players, but it can change things.

I’ve been surprised the Bison have not found a 6’ 5” + prospect in the portal, especially after losing 6’ 6” FR Max Rader to the Portal. And especially with the two OL that NDSU did offer in the portal both being under 6’ 5”. I’ve mentioned a number of times that the majority of OL starting for NDSU since the 2011 season or so have been 6’ 5” +, so would like to see another big Ram join the team. 2 of the recruits who did sign in the early period were 6’ 5”, two were 6’ 3”.

[SiouxHockeyBisonFo]

With all the super seniors the last couple of years I call complete bullshit on recruiting issues. Nobody has any idea what the entz recruiting classes look like at this point.

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[wan2bqb]

With all the super seniors the last couple of years I call complete bullshit on recruiting issues. Nobody has any idea what the entz recruiting classes look like at this point.

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This is the correct take. Super seniors have thrown the recruiting cycle out of whack. Caused players to leave because they are stuck behind returning seniors. Also the motto those who stay will be champions causes im sure some issues with people staying and coaches showing loyalty when there is possibly a youngers pushing him but we value loyalty so it keeps the youngster down. If not for super seniors Sigle would have been on the field much more this year.

[GreenfieldBison]

With all the super seniors the last couple of years I call complete bullshit on recruiting issues. Nobody has any idea what the entz recruiting classes look like at this point.

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Nah, sorry. They recruited in the same environment that Stig did.

[SiouxHockeyBisonFo]

Nah, sorry. They recruited in the same environment that Stig did.

Nope. Most of the guys playing weren't even his recruits. The next couple years will tell way more about this coaching staffs recruits. take a look at the 2019 roster before continuing this argument.

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[CAS4127]

Nah, sorry. They recruited in the same environment that Stig did.

Then it depends on proper ability to evaluate talent/potential. I’m not sold on that. I recall thing Dom G. Wasn’t the right back for us. We know how that turned out.

[HerdBot]

Nope. Most of the guys playing weren't even his recruits. The next couple years will tell way more about this coaching staffs recruits. take a look at the 2019 roster before continuing this argument.

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Keep in mind Entz and Hedberg recruited Minnesota, our largest state. It was partially his territory under Klieman. He was the guy who got many great players. Klieman was the closer. Goeser and Roehl recruitred many great players as well. What we miss is the great work Klanderman and Austin did.

Entz recruits insanely good character kids. Under Bohl, we had some years where a dozen players were getting arrested or flunking out of school. But Bohl did take some chances on players like John Crockett, who became not only a great player but a good student. Entz is super conservative

[Snowgoose]

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Entz recruits insanely good character kids. Under Bohl, we had some years where a dozen players were getting arrested or flunking out of school. But Bohl did take some chances on players like John Crockett, who became not only a great player but a good student. Entz is super conservative[/QUOTE]

This team for the last 12 years during this run has had an unbelievably high level of high quality students. The lack of college kids getting in trouble has been really unbelievable and that goes to the coaches and players keeping people accountable. Yes there has been an incident or two but it seems the level of high character student athletes has been fantastic and something to brag about.