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[Bisonator98]

Yeah, that is exactly what I said.

Yeah it kind of is what you said. What do you mean by

it’s management enriching themselves at the expense of their employees

? You don't think owners deserve more then managers or managers deserve more then the employees under them??

[taper]

Don't think he meant that as he formed it as a question. Could be wrong.

Reasonable question. The actual lawsuit right now is asking for ~$15/hr wage regardless of program income. Some people online are asking for a "cut" aka percentage of revenue. Big difference.

[southcliffbison]

So you think an employee deserves the same amount as an owner or the manager of a business?

I forget. What chapter from Karl's "Manifesto" did that statement come from? Actually, this should have been a reply to Audit's post.....

[bisonaudit]

Yeah it kind of is what you said. What do you mean by ? You don't think owners deserve more then managers or managers deserve more then the employees under them??

Nick Saban could pay every athlete at Alabama the 10k that was mentioned by another poster here earlier and still be the highest paid employee at the university. More than the President and more than the athletic director even after redirecting ten grand to every single athlete in the entire department.

The actual answer is that mostly I think people should be paid what the market thinks their labor is worth and that is obviously not what has been happening in major college athletics for quite some time now.

[gabisonfan]

So, the employer (school) should pay players and establish work rules/contracts. Does sound like professional sports. Time for players unions and collective bargaining. Let the chips fall where they may. Capitalism at work. Can't get there fast enough, move to high schools next.

[bisonaudit]

So, the employer (school) should pay players and establish work rules/contracts. Does sound like professional sports. Time for players unions and collective bargaining. Let the chips fall where they may. Capitalism at work. Can't get there fast enough, move to high schools next.

Yep. The day the NDHSAA signs a billion dollar media deal.

[EC8CH]

Nick Saban could pay every athlete at Alabama the 10k that was mentioned by another poster here earlier and still be the highest paid employee at the university. More than the President and more than the athletic director even after redirecting ten grand to every single athlete in the entire department.

The actual answer is that mostly I think people should be paid what the market thinks their labor is worth and that is obviously not what has been happening in major college athletics for quite some time now.

Interested how free market, libertarian absolutists could argue this point. TJamz is usually very loyal to his ideology on these points. Interesting if he'd agree that college athletics has created at system divorced from the free market and as such should be changed to bring it more inline... Then again, reptilians love their young slave labor.

[NDSU92]

I literally trip over myself laughing every time someone mentions capitalism while discussing sports at any level.

“Free market” “pure capitalism” lol

The entire industry is based on state sponsored trusts

“Hi I’d like to make a 33rd team” “hey you can be my 86th employee” “worker’s comp? Wtf is that?”

[bisonaudit]

I literally trip over myself laughing every time someone mentions capitalism while discussing sports at any level.

“Free market” “pure capitalism” lol

The entire industry is based on state sponsored trusts

“Hi I’d like to make a 33rd team” “hey you can be my 86th employee” “worker’s comp? Wtf is that?”

It’s just us with our socialism for rich people. Europe’s system is much more free market in its orientation. Of course now it’s being overtaken by state capitalists so there is that little problem.

[BigHorns]

Johnson vs. NCAA is being heard in the 3rd Circuit now and whatever the decision will probably be appealed, next level is SCOTUS. It's asking for athletes to be considered employees of the school and paid a wage. Based on recent SCOTUS decisions they'll probably say yes if it they take it. If you thought the portal and NIL blew up college athletics, just wait. The lawsuit argues that a typical athlete's wage would be around $10k for one semester sport seasons. This would cover everyone, D3-D1. There are about 500k NCAA athletes. That's $5B in new annual wages nationwide. While the schools would be paying that, for comparison NCAA's annual revenue is just over $1B.

All kinds of unknown and unintended consequences out there. Scholarships generally aren't taxable, wages are. D3 probably straight up can't afford this. Do schools get to deduct wages from scholarships? $10k barely makes a dent in a lot of schools' tuition. Do schools start offering only half scholarships instead of full so this is nothing but extra accounting paperwork? Back pay? Back taxes on that back pay? Will this extend to non-NCAA athletics like NAIA and JUCO? How about high school and child labor laws?

One nice thing about public schools is they publish salaries. Using Alabama as one of the extreme examples, Nick Saban makes almost $12M. The average full professor is $160k. Even if Saban does provide nearly 100x the value to the school, that looks pretty bad. Tons of schools might need to put athletic staff on the same pay scale as academics to cover the budget, and that might not be a bad thing.

When I was a TA at NDSU I got tuition and a modest stipend. Pretty sure the stipend was taxed as regular income. A scholarship that goes entirely towards educational expenses is exempt.

All very good points.

I think if all this goes thru, a relative handful of the top athletes profit, but overall the entire concept of the student athlete and many sports and SA's end up in a far worse position.

Already, we are seeing SA's who go to the portal that end up without scholarships. In FBS, some of them are being pushed to the portal. The number of players signing with a school, staying 4 years and graduating with a degree from that school are shrinking. In a profit oriented system, unproductive employees will be cut.

The schools won't magically find another $4/5 billion for this. Some may end sports entirely. Others will just convert scholarships to wages as you suggest. The *average* student athlete may not benefit at all, and many will find themselves without an opportunity. I had friends who were athletes in school, and they were serious students, who placed a high value on academics. Those are the ones that will suffer.

The more I see of all this, the more I think maybe the Ivies got things right for college sports. College sports becoming a semi-pro system is not good for academia or for those athletes who wish to be students and get their degrees.