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    What team do we need to compete against in the FCS for NIL? Are we going to have our donors dump hundreds of thousands of dollars into NIL just to compete against the FBS for recruits when the rest of the FCS isn’t. Seems like a waste of money unless we are competing in the FBS. We already are winning in the recruiting battles against the FCS.
    We probably get 3-5 players a year going head to head with MAC schools and other G5s. Many of them will do this next year to have an adventage. Also the pool of players will shrink if Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota can essentially take smaller schools scholarship players and offer enough cash to cover tuition. However our package will be better if the full rides get a scholarship plus cash.

    3-5 players doesn't sound like much but its 12-20 on a roster with 63 scholarships. That can be as high as 1/3 of a roster
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    Default Re: McFeely: Time for NDSU to jump into NIL pool

    Quote Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club View Post
    What team do we need to compete against in the FCS for NIL? Are we going to have our donors dump hundreds of thousands of dollars into NIL just to compete against the FBS for recruits when the rest of the FCS isn’t. Seems like a waste of money unless we are competing in the FBS. We already are winning in the recruiting battles against the FCS.
    This is a good point, but I think many of us are operating under the assumption that the jump is all but inevitable at this point for NDSU. It's just a question of when and where ...

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    This is a good point, but I think many of us are operating under the assumption that the jump is all but inevitable at this point for NDSU. It's just a question of when and where ...

    Cue the local socks and their vociferous objections ... I apologize in advance for offending you with my brazen opinions
    Whether or not we move up or stay where we are, we're going to see less quality players if we don't do this. We need to operate like a G5 program. If we move up and Wyoming or Northern Illinois offers 10 grand in straight cash homey, we're going to lose those recruiting battles. Doesn't matter if we stay where we are or move up. And whose to say Youngstown, UNI, SDSU or other top FCS school don't offer something before we do. That's a dangerous assumption.

    If we sit on our asses and do nothing, we will decline in talent, just like we did in the 90's when D2 cut the maximum number of scholarships. I think it went from 52 to 48 to 36. Now it's in the 20's. You have 16 less scholarships and that's a huge deal. That's 11 men on offense and 5 on defense replaced with walk ons or partials.

    Instead of competing for players vs MAC schools, we'll start filling our roster with NSIC top players. We will be less talented. D2 will be way less talented. Division 3 and NAIA will be glorified high school teams.
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    Whether or not we move up or stay where we are, we're going to see less quality players if we don't do this. We need to operate like a G5 program. If we move up and Wyoming or Northern Illinois offers 10 grand in straight cash homey, we're going to lose those recruiting battles. Doesn't matter if we stay where we are or move up. And whose to say Youngstown, UNI, SDSU or other top FCS school don't offer something before we do. That's a dangerous assumption.

    If we sit on our asses and do nothing, we will decline in talent, just like we did in the 90's when D2 cut the maximum number of scholarships. I think it went from 52 to 48 to 36. Now it's in the 20's. You have 16 less scholarships and that's a huge deal. That's 11 men on offense and 5 on defense replaced with walk ons or partials.

    Instead of competing for players vs MAC schools, we'll start filling our roster with NSIC top players. We will be less talented. D2 will be way less talented. Division 3 and NAIA will be glorified high school teams.
    Why can’t we wait until we move to FBS to offer NIL money? What donor is going to drop some real coin on NIL just when we are still in the FCS? If other FCS teams start it then it is a no Brainer but what if we are the only team? We have to wait to get more scholarships so why can’t we wait to offer NIL? We will lose recruits to NIL FBS schools , but can we really afford to compete with those offers as just a FCS team? Heck 20k+ to every coach could improve the quality of the coaching pool, but we are not spending extra money on them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club View Post
    Why can’t we wait until we move to FBS to offer NIL money? What donor is going to drop some real coin on NIL just when we are still in the FCS? If other FCS teams start it then it is a no Brainer but what if we are the only team? We have to wait to get more scholarships so why can’t we wait to offer NIL? We will lose recruits to NIL FBS schools , but can we really afford to compete with those offers as just a FCS team? Heck 20k+ to every coach could improve the quality of the coaching pool, but we are not spending extra money on them!
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    It doesn’t look to me like we’re waiting on NIL. Guys selling mattresses and whatnot.
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    Default Re: McFeely: Time for NDSU to jump into NIL pool

    Quote Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club View Post
    Why can’t we wait until we move to FBS to offer NIL money? What donor is going to drop some real coin on NIL just when we are still in the FCS? If other FCS teams start it then it is a no Brainer but what if we are the only team? We have to wait to get more scholarships so why can’t we wait to offer NIL? We will lose recruits to NIL FBS schools , but can we really afford to compete with those offers as just a FCS team? Heck 20k+ to every coach could improve the quality of the coaching pool, but we are not spending extra money on them!
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    PL is right on Jackson State. Other FCS schools will do it too. Montana State added the FCOA stipend last year so I would be shocked if they don't do this.

    If we wait to do the NIL pool until we move up, the quality of football will decline or plateau. Why would people want to see our program take a step backwards when we are trying to improve? I've already read this story when we were D2 in the 90's.
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    Default Re: McFeely: Time for NDSU to jump into NIL pool

    Quote Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club View Post
    Why can’t we wait until we move to FBS to offer NIL money? What donor is going to drop some real coin on NIL just when we are still in the FCS? If other FCS teams start it then it is a no Brainer but what if we are the only team? We have to wait to get more scholarships so why can’t we wait to offer NIL? We will lose recruits to NIL FBS schools , but can we really afford to compete with those offers as just a FCS team? Heck 20k+ to every coach could improve the quality of the coaching pool, but we are not spending extra money on them!
    Spending other people's money is easy. Complaining that other people aren't giving enough money is easy. Wondering why people aren't giving enough money is even easier. NDSU football is already at the top and we're clearly at the point of diminishing returns. Dollars need to go to other things like enrollment and basketball if you want to go to the next level.

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    Spending other people's money is easy. Complaining that other people aren't giving enough money is easy. Wondering why people aren't giving enough money is even easier. NDSU football is already at the top and we're clearly at the point of diminishing returns. Dollars need to go to other things like enrollment and basketball if you want to go to the next level.
    Enrollment is huge but it has nothing to do with our athletic budget. Thats a whole nother discussion

    Basketball needs to draw better. How do we attract better players? Having a huge NIL deal to attract better players is a start. Its much easier to change a program in Basketball since you only need 5 players.

    We're at the top of the FCS and we need to stay there. It pays the bills. It's national advertising for our school. Plus we make the whole division better by pushing the envelope

    I don't even look at it as donations. It's advertising dollars. Last time I checked, most businesses dont advertise right now.

    Reality is fans aren't passionate about Basketball. It took us a decade to build the SHAC.

    How passionate are fans about football? We raised 50 million for a friggin practice field in less than 3 years during a global pandemic. We started the campaign after winning 7 national championships. Donors obviously didn't see it as diminishing returns. Success breeds success.
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