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    Quote Originally Posted by 56BISON73 View Post
    Who was the RB-WR?? for EWU that gained 100-200 yards against us in the 1st half of the playoff in Cheney?
    Their LB JC Sherritt was pretty good as well (won Buck Buchanon)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony View Post
    My nominations:

    QB: Ken O'Brien (UC Davis), Don Horn (San Diego State), Rhett Bomar (SHSU), Tre Roberson (Illinois State), Chris Steveler (South Dakota)
    RB: James Robinson (Illinois State), David Johnson (Northern Iowa), Ronald Moore (Pittsburg State), Eric Breitenstein (Wofford), Taiwan Jones (EWU), Zach Zenner (SDSU), Herb Donaldson (Western Illinois), Shakir Bell (Indiana State)
    FB: Henry Dyer (Grambling), Pete Retzlaff (South Dakota State), Dave Osborne (UND)
    TE: George Kittle (Iowa), Dallas Goedert (SDSU), Jim Kleinsasser (UND), Matt Spaeth (Minnesota)
    WR: Cooper Kupp (EWU), Vincent Jackson (Northern Colorado), Tyler Lockett (Kansas State), Antonio Brown (Central Michigan), Allan Lazard (Iowa State), Ramses Barden (Cal Poly - SLO), Eric Decker (Minnesota), Haven Moses (San Diego State), Ernie Wheelwright (Minnesota)
    OL: Frank Cornish (Grambling), Willie Young (Grambling), Adam Timmerman (SDSU), Jim Langer (SDSU), Spencer Brown (UNI), Trevor Penning (UNI), Tom Compton (South Dakota)

    DE: Aaron Smith (Northern Colorado), Ordell Braase (South Dakota), Shelby Harris (Illinois State), Elerson Smith (UNI)
    DT: Frank Cornish (Grambling), Kkalen Saunders (Western Illinois), John Ridgeway (Illinois State), PJ Hall (Sam Houston)
    LB: Tory Reeder (Delaware), Jim LeClair (UND), Josey Jewell (Iowa), L.J. Fort (UNI), Jake Farley (UNI), Darius Taylor (Sam Houston)
    CB: Bob Howard (San Diego State), Luther Kirk (ISU-Red), Makinton Dorleant (UNI), Deiondre' Hall (UNI), Tom Kilfoy (UNI)
    S: Jeremy Chinn (SIU), Caleb Schaffitzel (Missouri State), Desmond King (Iowa), Nasir Adderley (Delaware), Dominique Barber (Minnesota)

    K: Adam Viniateri (SDSU), Jan Stenerud (Montana State), Errol Mann (UND)

    Marching Band: Grambling - they performed at Super Bowl I.

    Note: I ran out of time before I could finish a first draft - I couldn't find an "all-time all-NCC team" anywhere either (just as well, I'd probably not be happy that Jeff Bentrim and Chris Simdorn were honorable mentions or something.)

    The best team NDSU faced might be the San Diego State team that beat NDSU 36-0 in 1966. They had FIVE players drafted in the first two rounds of the draft.
    So I always wonder . . . is this list based on how good they were when NDSU played them, or the fact that they were good NFL players? It is both? Some of these guys didn't do squat vs. NDSU, but made it to the the NFL. Some where great against NDSU but didn't do much after that.

    Did Penning and Compton destroy NDSU? No, they were pretty quiet.
    Ramses Barden on the other hand wrecked NDSU, while Eric Decker didn't do squat except throw for one, while Vinny Jackson was a beast.
    Tiawan Jones killed us, while Zenner was ground down to a unit of measure.

    Some criteria would be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herd View Post
    So I always wonder . . . is this list based on how good they were when NDSU played them, or the fact that they were good NFL players? It is both? Some of these guys didn't do squat vs. NDSU, but made it to the the NFL. Some where great against NDSU but didn't do much after that.

    Did Penning and Compton destroy NDSU? No, they were pretty quiet.
    Ramses Barden on the other hand wrecked NDSU, while Eric Decker didn't do squat except throw for one, while Vinny Jackson was a beast.
    Tiawan Jones killed us, while Zenner was ground down to a unit of measure.

    Some criteria would be good.
    Good example of good play/bad play from the list::::

    In the 2007 MN game, Dominique Barber was able to chase down T. Roehl making a touchdown saving tackle.
    But, when the Bison were trying to kill the clock late in the 4th up by 6, the drive stalled. It was Barber who was flagged for roughing the punter allowing the Bison to go into victory formation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herd View Post
    So I always wonder . . . is this list based on how good they were when NDSU played them, or the fact that they were good NFL players? It is both? Some of these guys didn't do squat vs. NDSU, but made it to the the NFL. Some where great against NDSU but didn't do much after that.

    Did Penning and Compton destroy NDSU? No, they were pretty quiet.
    Ramses Barden on the other hand wrecked NDSU, while Eric Decker didn't do squat except throw for one, while Vinny Jackson was a beast.
    Tiawan Jones killed us, while Zenner was ground down to a unit of measure.

    Some criteria would be good.
    With clarity, what would people argue about? You seem to be missing an important BV feature.
    Insert something clever here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herd View Post
    So I always wonder . . . is this list based on how good they were when NDSU played them, or the fact that they were good NFL players? It is both? Some of these guys didn't do squat vs. NDSU, but made it to the the NFL. Some where great against NDSU but didn't do much after that.
    I suppose that it can be anything you want - but I was looking for the best college players NDSU faced. Most of the ones I see had decent games playing against NDSU and good seasons the rest of the time (because, honestly, not many offensive players look that great against better NDSU defenses.) Take Caleb Schaffitzel - he never sniffed the NFL but had at least two pick sixes against NDSU (including a 100-yarder.) Maybe you could provide some examples of ones you disagree with?

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    Ernie Wheelwright? Lmao. Whatch you talkin but Willis?

    He had 2 receptions in 2007 for 33 yards and let Nate A. Take the ball from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony View Post
    I suppose that it can be anything you want - but I was looking for the best college players NDSU faced. Most of the ones I see had decent games playing against NDSU and good seasons the rest of the time (because, honestly, not many offensive players look that great against better NDSU defenses.) Take Caleb Schaffitzel - he never sniffed the NFL but had at least two pick sixes against NDSU (including a 100-yarder.) Maybe you could provide some examples of ones you disagree with?
    Perhaps I already did. Compton and Penning and Zenner didn't do shit against NDSU. But because they are "NFL" players, they were somehow great opponents?

    David Johnson, Tiawan Jones, Ramses Barden, Vincent Jackson, Ronald Moore . . . were great performers in games vs. NDSU.

    It can be whatever you want it to be, that's fine.

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    Oof. Are you messing with us?

    McKinnon was the guy but he was doing it from the QB position. There was a running back by the name of Swope that was a beast but in that 2021 it was McKinnon that almost stole the Dome.
    Swope had a long TD catch where he bounced off a few tackles in the 2012 game that probably sticks in peoples minds. He was a beast. But yeah you’re right that McKinnon was the dude for them that game. Sometimes I think we stole that game from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herd View Post
    Perhaps I already did. Compton and Penning and Zenner didn't do shit against NDSU. But because they are "NFL" players, they were somehow great opponents?

    David Johnson, Tiawan Jones, Ramses Barden, Vincent Jackson, Ronald Moore . . . were great performers in games vs. NDSU.

    It can be whatever you want it to be, that's fine.
    Just because somebody didn’t do well against us in a game doesn’t mean they’re not great players. It’s best players we’ve faced, not best performances against us.

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    I forget few names, these guys should be on the Mt.Rushmore

    1) Jake Wieneke SDSU
    2) LB Missouri State
    3) CB Jimmy Moreland , James Madison

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