Ndsu @ jmu semifinal pre game talk

[2011BisonAlumni]

Nevermind we beat 3 playoff teams this year, and if you're mad UNI made the field and don't want to include them it's 2 playoff teams we beat. They played one playoff team and lost, at home. No wonder they focus on losses because that's what losers do.

Not to mention that the team NDSU lost to is playing in the semifinals…after soundly beating the team that beat JMU.

[motrain46]

Nevermind we beat 3 playoff teams this year, and if you're mad UNI made the field and don't want to include them it's 2 playoff teams we beat. They played one playoff team and lost, at home. No wonder they focus on losses because that's what losers do.

Remember: All wins are not created equal, neither are all playoff teams

ND opponent record 78-72, 5 winning record teams
Albany 2-7
Valparaiso 4-7
Towson 4-7
North Dakota 5-6
UNI 6-6
Illinois St 4-7
Missouri St 8-4
Indiana St 5-6
SD st 11-3
Youngstown St 3-7
South Dakota 7-5
Southern Illinois 8-5
East Tenn St 11-2

JMU opponent record 82-73; 9 Winning record teams
Weber 6-5
Villa 11-3
Elon 6-5
Rhode Island 7-4
Maine 6-5
Richmond 6-5
Will & Mary 6-5
Delaware 5-6
Towson 4-7
New Hamp 3-8
Campbell 3-8
SELU 9-4
Montana 10-3

[BigLakeBison]

Remember: All wins are not created equal, neither are all playoff teams

ND opponent record 78-72, 5 winning record teams
Albany 2-7
Valparaiso 4-7
Towson 4-7
North Dakota 5-6
UNI 6-6
Illinois St 4-7
Missouri St 8-4
Indiana St 5-6
SD st 11-3
Youngstown St 3-7
South Dakota 7-5
Southern Illinois 8-5
East Tenn St 11-2

JMU opponent record 82-73; 9 Winning record teams
Weber 6-5
Villa 11-3
Elon 6-5
Rhode Island 7-4
Maine 6-5
Richmond 6-5
Will & Mary 6-5
Delaware 5-6
Towson 4-7
New Hamp 3-8
Campbell 3-8
SELU 9-4
Montana 10-3

The reality is that by every measurable rating (Massey, Sagarin, etc.) the strength of the Bison schedule is higher than the JMU schedule. The Bison had 3 wins against playoff teams and 1 loss against a playoff team. JMU had 1 loss against a playoff team. If you want to say Rhode Island should have been in over UNI, than that would still be in favor of NDSU 2 wins against playoff teams to 1. In terms of seeding alone, NDSU should have been above JMU. Now, none of that means that NDSU is the better team or that they will win on Friday. However, in terms of evaluating the season resume for seeding purposes NDSU had a better resume. If JMU would have beaten Nova they would have been above NDSU and would have had homefield. It is what it is.

[NDSU92]

Says "not all wins are created equal" then proves his point by posting W/L records of opponents. I swear, only a JMU fan...

What you mean to say is "strength of schedule". Of course, you can't say those words because your SoS is less than ours. So you just do some quick math and add up W/L that each team has played.

How about this: Find any and all rating systems that have JMU rated higher than NDSU. Sagarin and Massey are pretty clear about who the better team has been this year.

[Professor Chaos]

Says "not all wins are created equal" then proves his point by posting W/L records of opponents. I swear, only a JMU fan...

What you mean to say is "strength of schedule". Of course, you can't say those words because your SoS is less than ours. So you just do some quick math and add up W/L that each team has played.

How about this: Find any and all rating systems that have JMU rated higher than NDSU. Sagarin and Massey are pretty clear about who the better team has been this year.

I can save him some time: https://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

Ratings that have JMU ranked higher:
Dokter Entropy
Mangels
Congrove
STATS Poll
RT Power
Coaches Poll
Reddit Poll

Ratings that have NDSU ranked higher:
Laz Index
Fleming
England
Sports Theory
Simmons
Hensley
Dolphin
Round Robin Win %
Dunchess Inference
Whitlock
Kirkpatrick
Keeper
Pugh
Dwiggins
Ford AMSTS
Sagarin
Garber
Rothman
Daniel Curry Index
Born
Wolfe
Massey
Bassett
Bassett-Stephenson

[OrygunBison]

Honestly, I would love to go to a game at JMU. Not sure that I'd spend much time in Harrisonburg but it would give me a great excuse to get down to Floyd again, which can be a fun town if you're into bluegrass, weed, and missing teeth. (Seriously, thought, fun town.)

[PlainsBison]

The one thing I remember from the last time JMU played here, and it’s imprinted in me, was how many times we just about sacked their quarterback, he would scramble, move around, throw a last second pass way downfield and it would be completed.

Here’s to that not happening on Friday evening.

[westnodak93bison]

Honestly, I would love to go to a game at JMU. Not sure that I'd spend much time in Harrisonburg but it would give me a great excuse to get down to Floyd again, which can be a fun town if you're into bluegrass, weed, and missing teeth. (Seriously, thought, fun town.)

And bombard the field with green & gold streamers

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[gavin2126]

There it is……

[Professor Chaos]

The one thing I remember from the last time JMU played here, and it’s imprinted in me, was how many times we just about sacked their quarterback, he would scramble, move around, throw a last second pass way downfield and it would be completed.

Here’s to that not happening on Friday evening.

Will never forget this sequence (just like in poker the bad beats stay with you);

It's tied at 17 early in the 4th quarter. JMU has a 4th and 19 from the NDSU 33 yard line that they line up to go for since it's too far for a FG and kinda useless to punt. The head linesman standing in front of JMU coach Mike Houston grants him a timeout after the ball is snapped. Everyone keeps playing since no one could hear the whistle amongst the crowd noise and Greg Menard torches their LT for what looked like a drive ending sack. Then we find out the timeout was granted. Houston proceeds to flip out that his QB got hammered on a play that didn't count. After the TO as they line up Bison DE Brad Ambrosius (in a 4 point stance at DE) bobs his head like he's ready to jump the snap. It looks like the LT moves slightly so the same head linesman blows the play dead and calls Ambrosious for being offside (I guess since he claimed his movement caused the LT to jump???) which moves the ball forward 5 yards allowing JMU's kicker to kick a career long (by 10+ yards) FG for a 20-17 lead that they would never relinquish.

The sequence starts at the 1:53:00 mark of this video: https://www.facebook.com/ncaafcsfoot...40521436142520