OK Culhane, let me educate you on how you do a barcket

[Herd]

Sorry, NDSU #2, would not play the winner of 22 vs 23 ranked teams. You do a bracket like this when is you rank 1-24.

9 vs 24; Plays 8 Seed; Projected 8 vs 9
10 vs 23; Plays 7 Seed; Projected 7 vs 10
11 vs. 22; Plays 6 Seed; Projected 6 vs 11
12 vs 21; Plays 5 Seed; Projected 5 vs 12
13 vs 20; Plays 4 Seed; Projected 4 vs 13
14 vs 19; Plays 3 Seed; Projected 3 vs 14
15 vs 18; Plays 2 Seed; Projected 2 vs 15
16 vs 17; Plays 1 Seed; Projected 1 vs 16

What in the H is Culhane talking about? If all 24 were ranked, NDSU would play the winner of 15 vs. 18. The assumption is 17-24 get beat in the 1st round. If you're going to go on a rant, have a clue what you are talking about.

[Professor Chaos]

Yeah, I was kinda shaking my head listening to that also. His reasoning was that the #1 and #2 seeds should be "rewarded". Personally, I'd say getting to play at home until you lose or make it to Frisco is a massive reward. If you used his idea then the #3 and #4 seeds would complain about not being rewarded.

I think everyone would agree that seeding the entire field 1-24 would be the best approach but I wish they would at least pool those bottom 16 teams into groups of 4 like the NCAA baseball/softball tournaments do so they would have a 1 seed through a 6 seed in each of the 4 quadrants and then place the top 8 seeds accordingly to construct the bracket. They could still regionalize it then to some degree but it would make it a little more balanced. Fat chance of that happening though especially if the dumb idea to expand the playoffs to 32 gains any more traction.

[The_Sicatoka]

... but I wish they would at least pool ... groups of 4 ... so they would have a 1 seed through a 6 seed in each of the 4 quadrants and then place the top 8 seeds accordingly to construct the bracket. They could still regionalize it then to some degree but it would make it a little more balanced.

Your idea makes sense, that's why it can't happen in NCAA-football-land.

[Herd]

Yeah, I was kinda shaking my head listening to that also. His reasoning was that the #1 and #2 seeds should be "rewarded". Personally, I'd say getting to play at home until you lose or make it to Frisco is a massive reward. If you used his idea then the #3 and #4 seeds would complain about not being rewarded.

I think everyone would agree that seeding the entire field 1-24 would be the best approach but I wish they would at least pool those bottom 16 teams into groups of 4 like the NCAA baseball/softball tournaments do so they would have a 1 seed through a 6 seed in each of the 4 quadrants and then place the top 8 seeds accordingly to construct the bracket. They could still regionalize it then to some degree but it would make it a little more balanced. Fat chance of that happening though especially if the dumb idea to expand the playoffs to 32 gains any more traction.

Its a 24 team bracket, so you have 4 groups of 6 teams in each group. Can't do groups of 4 in a 24 team plays, math doesn't work.

Our Group of 6 is: SIU/SD/NDSU/Davidson/Kennesaw/ETSU

Sorry if you like softball, but football is not double elimination.

[Professor Chaos]

Its a 24 team bracket, so you have 4 groups of 6 teams in each group. Can't do groups of 4 in a 24 team plays, math doesn't work.

Our Group of 6 is: SIU/SD/NDSU/Davidson/Kennesaw/ETSU

Sorry if you like softball, but football is not double elimination.

You'd have 6 groups of 4 and one team from each group would be in each quadrant. The top 8 would still be seeded and placed accordingly like they are today. After that you'd break the final 16 into 4 groups of 4 - call them regional 3 seeds through 6 seeds. You could pair the 3 seeds with the 6 seeds regionally and feed them into overall seeds #5-#8 regionally. You could pair the 4 seeds with the 5 seeds regionally and feed them into overall seeds #1-#4 regionally. That's pretty much how they do it in the NCAA baseball tournament where they seed the top 16 and then pool the unseeded 48 into groups of 16 and take one from each group for each of the 16 regionals. It's just instead of 16 regionals with 4 teams each you'd have 8 regionals with 3 teams each.

[The_Sicatoka]

I know y'all hate the word, but NCAA hockey process:

Six autobids, ten highest remaining PWR. Those sixteen are seeded by PWR 1-16. Those are broken into four groups of four, so you have four 1s, four 2s, etc. Each quadrant has a 1, 2, 3, and 4. They initially try a "chalk" straight 1-16 bracket. But must have no in-conference first round games. If one happens, you swap 4s (or 3s) between quadrants.

There are some other quirks, like regional host schools must play at their host site if one of the sixteen. (Yes, a 16 overall could be a host site host. Should that happen, the lowest 1 of top 4 goes there. They try to protect #1 overall always.) And if they can simplify travel by swapping 2/3 opening round games between quadrants, they do.

[El_Chapo]

HERD. maybe edit your 1st post.

culhane made the mistake of using KEITH BRAKE's INFO... so Brake is the dumbass, not culhane, although culhane should know better to blindly use brake's info. hahaha.

[Herd]

You'd have 6 groups of 4 and one team from each group would be in each quadrant. The top 8 would still be seeded and placed accordingly like they are today. After that you'd break the final 16 into 4 groups of 4 - call them regional 3 seeds through 6 seeds. You could pair the 3 seeds with the 6 seeds regionally and feed them into overall seeds #5-#8 regionally. You could pair the 4 seeds with the 5 seeds regionally and feed them into overall seeds #1-#4 regionally. That's pretty much how they do it in the NCAA baseball tournament where they seed the top 16 and then pool the unseeded 48 into groups of 16 and take one from each group for each of the 16 regionals. It's just instead of 16 regionals with 4 teams each you'd have 8 regionals with 3 teams each.

Groups of 4 when you have a 24 team bracket. What are you going to do when you have 6 teams left? Send 2 of them to the Celebration Bowl? Groups of 4, Brilliant!

[56BISON73]

If you seed everyone there is then no planned regionalization. If you are going to have a tournament run the fucking thing the way you are supposed to.

[Professor Chaos]

Groups of 4 when you have a 24 team bracket. What are you going to do when you have 6 teams left? Send 2 of them to the Celebration Bowl? Groups of 4, Brilliant!

4 teams times 6 groups is 24. Is it really that hard to understand??? I'll lay it out using this year's field.

1 seeds
#1 SHSU
#2 NDSU
#3 JMU
#4 Sac St

2 seeds
#5 Villanova
#6 Montana
#7 ETSU
#8 Montana St

3 seeds
EWU
KSU
Missouri St
SDSU

4 seeds
South Dakota
SLU
UCD
UIW

5 seeds
Holy Cross
SFA
SIU
UTM

6 seeds
Davidson
FAMU
SHU
UNI


From there you regionally pair together the 3 seeds with the 6 seeds and the 4 seeds with the 5 seeds. You can then regionally pair the 3/6 matchups with the #5-#8 overall seeds and regionally pair the 4/5 matchups with the #1-#4 overall seeds. So the bracket this year could look something like this.

(5)SFA @ (4)UIW to #1 SHSU
(6)FAMU @ (3)Missouri St to #8 Montana St
(6)SHU @ (3)SDSU to #5 Villanova
(5)Holy Cross @ (4)UCD to #4 Sac St
(5)UTM @ (4)SLU to #3 JMU
(6)UNI @ (3)EWU to #6 Montana
(6)Davidson @ (3)KSU to #7 ETSU
(5)SIU @ (4)South Dakota to #2 NDSU


The bracket could actually look pretty similar to what they came up with but at least you can make it a little more balanced without having to massively "de-regionalize" it. Most years this would add maybe 2-3 more flights I'd guess.