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    not even close for caliber of athlete across the board.

    lots of individually great players don't get it twisted
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    It would be fun to have a reliable way to compare those D-II championship teams to the DI-AA teams back then.
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    The DII teams would have competed well in DI-AA back in the day. They just needed more depth because of scholarship limits.

    I agree with you.
    The veer would still fuck with defenses today because its incredibly hard to prep for it since nobody runs it. But the defense would have no depth, especially when injuries mount. Same with the offense

    The better question is how good would the D2 teams have been with 30 more scholarship players. They waited a decade too long to move up.

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    The veer would still fuck with defenses today because its incredibly hard to prep for it since nobody runs it. But the defense would have no depth, especially when injuries mount. Same with the offense

    The better question is how good would the D2 teams have been with 30 more scholarship players. They waited a decade too long to move up.
    AND a conditioning coach and a real weight room.

    We had a little room with 2 Universal weight machines and a few hand held weights.
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    AND a conditioning coach and a real weight room.

    We had a little room with 2 Universal weight machines and a few hand held weights.
    Good point. Not only do we have a world class strength and conditioning, we basically have a bonus weight room now with the IPF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but back then were there NCAA restrictions on how teams could feed their players trying to add weight? Like unlimited sources of protein around the clock

    Also the rehab must have been shit back then. Just rub some dirt on it. An ACL you were probably more concerned with walking post football, let alone getting back on the field next year

    And practice facilities. Dacotah Field turned into ice coated cement back then. I remember going onto the field as a kid

    Must have sucked for coaches too even in the mid 90s. I dont think the dome had locker rooms the first year and the players had to walk to Dacotah Field at half time

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerdBot View Post
    Good point. Not only do we have a world class strength and conditioning, we basically have a bonus weight room now with the IPF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but back then were there NCAA restrictions on how teams could feed their players trying to add weight? Like unlimited sources of protein around the clock

    Also the rehab must have been shit back then. Just rub some dirt on it. An ACL you were probably more concerned with walking post football, let alone getting back on the field next year

    And practice facilities. Dacotah Field turned into ice coated cement back then. I remember going onto the field as a kid

    Must have sucked for coaches too even in the mid 90s. I dont think the dome had locker rooms the first year and the players had to walk to Dacotah Field at half time
    I had heard of no such restrictions back then. And we certainly didnt have unlimited protein around the clock. We got 2 meals lunch and dinner. We may of had breakfast. If we did I never got up for it and slept in.Plus you didnt want to go to the AM practice with a full gut.

    Rehab??? There was no such thing. ACL tears were career ending. Cast up to your crotch for 6 monthe or more. Knee surgeries were brutal.
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    I had heard of no such restrictions back then. And we certainly didnt have unlimited protein around the clock. We got 2 meals lunch and dinner. We may of had breakfast. If we did I never got up for it and slept in.Plus you didnt want to go to the AM practice with a full gut.

    Rehab??? There was no such thing. ACL tears were career ending. Cast up to your crotch for 6 monthe or more. Knee surgeries were brutal.
    I was watching a video and one of the players said missing a meal is worse than missing a workout in the eyes of Kramer. He also said, if you want to be a 300 pounder you have to eat like you're 300 pounds. That fueling station must be a big deal when a skinny O-lineman needs to consume 8,000 calories a day just to remain at their current weight, much less gain 50 pounds of muscle. I find weird shit like that fascinating

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    Quote Originally Posted by HerdBot View Post
    I was watching a video and one of the players said missing a meal is worse than missing a workout in the eyes of Kramer. He also said, if you want to be a 300 pounder you have to eat like you're 300 pounds. That fueling station must be a big deal when a skinny O-lineman needs to consume 8,000 calories a day just to remain at their current weight, much less gain 50 pounds of muscle. I find weird shit like that fascinating
    Different mind set. Training and nutrition have evolved with the times and changes when the idea of what the prototypical player is-should be.

    There was a time when they wouldnt give you water breaks during TWO a day practices. No shit. Izzy was ahead of the curve in that regard. It wasnt like now with unlimited hydration but he was in tune to heat, relative humidity etc etc. They even adjusted practice times as not to practice during the heat of the day. Lets put it this way--when I transferred from Iowa to NDSU it was night and day between the two on how they treated players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
    It would be fun to have a reliable way to compare those D-II championship teams to the DI-AA teams back then.
    Not sure how accurate, but... Massey had 1986 Bison at 44 overall in the NCAA -- above any 1AA/FCS team:
    https://masseyratings.com/cf1986/ncaa/ratings

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    I'm guessing the DI-AA teams in the 80s didn't have the weight rooms that they do now.


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    AND a conditioning coach and a real weight room.

    We had a little room with 2 Universal weight machines and a few hand held weights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
    I'm guessing the DI-AA teams in the 80s didn't have the weight rooms that they do now.
    Cant tell you what they had. But I can tell you what we had. But Im sure it was better.
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    Looking forward to seeing what Cam can do this season. He's coming into fall camp knowing he's QB1. He has a normal spring ball and offseason conditioning under his belt and also added some weight. He's working with what some say is the best QB coach in the nation under Randy Hedberg. And he's an upperclassmen as a Junior now. I'm just as excited as everyone else to see what CP can do to help this offense but I think Cam has earned the right to be our guy right now.
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