YSU Post Game Thoughts & Discussion

[Gully]

I think they are reasonably fair. You can't just take Sagarin ratings and set the field that way. You can't just take W-L record and set the field that way either. Is UND better than some of the teams that will get at-large bids? Probably but when you lose every game you play against teams that do make the playoffs you have no basis to complain about being left out.

The committee has shown more forgiveness for losses in the MVFC than in any other conference. I believe 4 MVFC teams have now made the playoffs with 5 losses. Every other conference has zero. The last time the top MVFC team was seeded lower than 2nd was 2010 (and that's not just NDSU - SDSU and Illinois St have contributed to that as well). No other conference has even done that 2 years in a row in the same timeframe. Last spring the selection committee gave the MVFC 4 out of the 6 total at-large bids despite hardly any OOC games to base it off of.

What would be so bad about using Sagarin? It's purely score based on not subject to anyone's opinion.

[Professor Chaos]

What would be so bad about using Sagarin? It's purely score based on not subject to anyone's opinion.

You'd have things that defy common sense just like if you solely used W/L record. Do you think UNI should be the #7 seed? Do you think the MVFC should have 5 of the 8 seeds. Unpopular opinion time for me but the computer ratings always favor teams from the best conferences because it's tough to impress a computer ranking when you have to win every week by 30+ because you're a good team playing in a bad conference. It's easy to impress a computer ranking when all you have to do is stay within 20 points of a team like NDSU or SDSU.

Computer ratings are a useful tool. They shouldn't be anything more than a tool in the toolbelt of a critically thinking human evaluating the quality of teams relative to each other. I'll await my tarring and feathering now....

[THEsocalledfan]

You'd have things that defy common sense just like if you solely used W/L record. Do you think UNI should be the #7 seed? Do you think the MVFC should have 5 of the 8 seeds. Unpopular opinion time for me but the computer ratings always favor teams from the best conferences because it's tough to impress a computer ranking when you have to win every week by 30+ because you're a good team playing in a bad conference. It's easy to impress a computer ranking when all you have to do is stay within 20 points of a team like NDSU or SDSU.

Computer ratings are a useful tool. They shouldn't be anything more than a tool in the toolbelt of a critically thinking human evaluating the quality of teams relative to each other. I'll await my tarring and feathering now....

Sam Houston this year is a great example of your point..... they are super good.... folks who want to just rip on their competition are in denial....JMU on the other hand.... computer has about right.

[NDSU92]

You'd have things that defy common sense just like if you solely used W/L record. Do you think UNI should be the #7 seed? Do you think the MVFC should have 5 of the 8 seeds. Unpopular opinion time for me but the computer ratings always favor teams from the best conferences because it's tough to impress a computer ranking when you have to win every week by 30+ because you're a good team playing in a bad conference. It's easy to impress a computer ranking when all you have to do is stay within 20 points of a team like NDSU or SDSU.

Computer ratings are a useful tool. They shouldn't be anything more than a tool in the toolbelt of a critically thinking human evaluating the quality of teams relative to each other. I'll await my tarring and feathering now....

I'd rather have UNI be a seed than Monmouth or whatever the committee will come up with. Why? Because they're better

[NDSU92]

Sam Houston this year is a great example of your point..... they are super good.... folks who want to just rip on their competition are in denial....JMU on the other hand.... computer has about right.

I really don't get why you're so high on SHSU. Their schedule is completely worthless in trying to understand how they'll play against a good team.

[THEsocalledfan]

I really don't get why you're so high on SHSU. Their schedule is completely worthless in trying to understand how they'll play against a good team.

Entire team is back. Pounding teams as they should. Not super complicated. I saw what I needed last spring.

[BisonNeil]

1) Got the covid. Only half paid attention.
2) luepke and Williams here on out. Spell them with dom as needed.
3) cam Miller is the qb anyone who says otherwise is a moron.
4) unless they’re saying Payton in which case they’re brilliant.

Should have gotten vaccinated!!

[BisonNeil]

Entire team is back. Pounding teams as they should. Not super complicated. I saw what I needed last spring.

We will see if this is true. OL has been up and down, pounding shit teams like YSU but struggling against better teams. If the OL can perform against defense as good as the Yotes have than I’ll agree with your assessment that they are “back”.

[Hammerhead]

Conversely, it's hard to impress a computer ranking when the benchwarmers are on the field for much of the 2nd half so the margin of victory is smaller than it could have been.

You'd have things that defy common sense just like if you solely used W/L record. Do you think UNI should be the #7 seed? Do you think the MVFC should have 5 of the 8 seeds. Unpopular opinion time for me but the computer ratings always favor teams from the best conferences because it's tough to impress a computer ranking when you have to win every week by 30+ because you're a good team playing in a bad conference. It's easy to impress a computer ranking when all you have to do is stay within 20 points of a team like NDSU or SDSU.

Computer ratings are a useful tool. They shouldn't be anything more than a tool in the toolbelt of a critically thinking human evaluating the quality of teams relative to each other. I'll await my tarring and feathering now....