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    Indy, last one was awesome. So, if the receiving player on the onside kick would have accidently batted it forward, would it then be an illegal forward pass giving a rekick opportunity?
    The foul for batting it forward is called illegal batting. The kicking team could decline the penalty but the receiving team would get the ball at the spot it went OOB. They would likely only take this option if they were able to recover it before it went OOB. If they accept the penalty it would be enforced 10 yards from the previous spot and re-kick.

    The two receivers on the catch/no catch segment are Purdue players. I officiated both in high school. The Anthrops have had a run of brothers at the local Catholic school in Lafayette. His dad played basketball at Purdue, he had a brother who played basketball there and another brother who played football. Their football team had a string of state championships in football in 5 of 7 seasons when they played. The other receiver is David Bell who played with Michael Tutsie at Warren Central. When Tutsie was a senior Bell was a sophomore and already looked like a B1G receiver. He's having another amazing season and could be a potential Heisman candidate.

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    The foul for batting it forward is called illegal batting. The kicking team could decline the penalty but the receiving team would get the ball at the spot it went OOB. They would likely only take this option if they were able to recover it before it went OOB. If they accept the penalty it would be enforced 10 yards from the previous spot and re-kick.

    The two receivers on the catch/no catch segment are Purdue players. I officiated both in high school. The Anthrops have had a run of brothers at the local Catholic school in Lafayette. His dad played basketball at Purdue, he had a brother who played basketball there and another brother who played football. Their football team had a string of state championships in football in 5 of 7 seasons when they played. The other receiver is David Bell who played with Michael Tutsie at Warren Central. When Tutsie was a senior Bell was a sophomore and already looked like a B1G receiver. He's having another amazing season and could be a potential Heisman candidate.
    If I was a special teams coach, I think that onside kick one should be required viewing for the hands team on how to handle a particularly well done kick.

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    If I was a special teams coach, I think that onside kick one should be required viewing for the hands team on how to handle a particularly well done kick.
    It could backfire. You could bat it into another player or miss it making it easier for the kicking team to recover. You could also accidentally bar it forward. It's an oblong ball that bounces funny. Your best option is still to catch/recover it but this is a good alternative.

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    I just can't figure out what anyone gets out of dropping the ball early before one scores. Some kind of jollies? The one where the guy ignores the kickoff was another good one. Did not know you can't advance those, just like a touched punt.
    Because you look cool dropping the ball as soon as you cross (or think you cross) the goal line?
    Wherever you go, there you are.

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    Week 12 had some great examples of rules. I especially liked the possession of a punt by the kicking team short of the goal line (different than NFL) and the holder passing the ball with his knee on the ground (different than HS). Both highlight why you shouldn't assume the rule based on watching another level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyBison View Post
    Week 12 had some great examples of rules. I especially liked the possession of a punt by the kicking team short of the goal line (different than NFL) and the holder passing the ball with his knee on the ground (different than HS). Both highlight why you shouldn't assume the rule based on watching another level.

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    The very first one was a pretty cool look at the advancement of reply tech, too. Do you know if MVFC games have that kind of ability?

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    The very first one was a pretty cool look at the advancement of reply tech, too. Do you know if MVFC games have that kind of ability?
    It probably depends on the school. I doubt many of them do. The number of cameras are much fewer as well.

    I attended a clinic a couple years ago and two of my friends were the presenters. One is in the NFL and the other is on the MAC. I believe the MAC used the same system as the B1G but fewer cameras. It was amazing to find out the MAC guys had more advanced technology than the NFL. I believe the NFL made a major upgrade last year. A lot of it has to do with access the replay technician had to video and views rather than relying on the production crew to send views to the replay system. Having more cameras can actually slow down the process because you may have to watch the play more times to find the best view. I've found replay to be much more complicated than you realize. I've been in a few sessions with Dean Blandino. He is really interesting to talk with.

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    Week 13 finally posted. I was out of town last week and then got to work my own college playoff game yesterday.

    Two interesting points from this week's video. Mr. Shaw indicated the average game time is 3:18 largely caused by style of play. Our D3 games average 2:45. We have similar styles of play, similar numbers of incomplete passes and penalties. There are two main differences driving the difference in length of game: replay and TV time outs. They will definitely not cut TV time outs and I doubt replay will go away.

    The second point is the double number foul. I've had that once in a game but honestly it was because the coach of the kicking team was screaming it from the sideline. "They have two number 7s!" We have a philosophy that you don't flag something if you don't know the signal or enforcement. When I saw both number 7s standing next to each other I couldn't remember the signal or enforcement but I couldn't pass on this unique opportunity. When we got together to discuss we were pretty sure it was 5 yards previous spot (which was correct) but didn't have the right signal. It was 4th and 8 so if the kicking team accepted it would still be 4th and 3. They chose to decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyBison View Post
    Week 13 finally posted. I was out of town last week and then got to work my own college playoff game yesterday.

    Two interesting points from this week's video. Mr. Shaw indicated the average game time is 3:18 largely caused by style of play. Our D3 games average 2:45. We have similar styles of play, similar numbers of incomplete passes and penalties. There are two main differences driving the difference in length of game: replay and TV time outs. They will definitely not cut TV time outs and I doubt replay will go away.

    The second point is the double number foul. I've had that once in a game but honestly it was because the coach of the kicking team was screaming it from the sideline. "They have two number 7s!" We have a philosophy that you don't flag something if you don't know the signal or enforcement. When I saw both number 7s standing next to each other I couldn't remember the signal or enforcement but I couldn't pass on this unique opportunity. When we got together to discuss we were pretty sure it was 5 yards previous spot (which was correct) but didn't have the right signal. It was 4th and 8 so if the kicking team accepted it would still be 4th and 3. They chose to decline.

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    If only you'd watched the video first! BTW, did the video have the signal correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan View Post
    If only you'd watched the video first! BTW, did the video have the signal correct?
    Yes it was. We always have a when in doubt for procedural fouls like this: rolling fists. Same used for false start and illegal formation. So that's what we did. Having a microphone to announce makes it easier.

    A related rule is two players can't play the same position with the same number. We heard of a situation this year where someone did this and apparently the crew didn't catch it. Their punter was #2. On fourth down they got into a punt formation with #2 as the punter. He took the snap and started running picking up the first down. Unfortunately this #2 was their 6'4" stud receiver and not the 5'10" punter #2.

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