Land makes a big difference. NDSU Donating Fargodome land certainly keeps the cost. Until they do a study, we're all just pulling numbers out of our ass. Right now steel prices and wood are high, but now wood is starting to drop again so who knows. I do know that the Fargodome valued full replacement cost at 144 million. Obviously they wouldn't have to require land and lay down infrastructure so who knows. Big difference in the amount of steel needed for a 30-35K seat stadium and a 50-70k seat stadium. Pulling numbers out of my ass, I think $400 million should cover it with donated land. Who knows but it's certainly an interesting discussion
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You are correct. Instead of 1 piece of land, 1 vote in which 70% of the parcels owners voted no, it was based on assessed valued or the land or size of land. City and county of Fargo and Cass in that regards held over 50% of the "voting shares" thus controlled the outcome.
I wouldn't say the sales tax was "slammed through the voters." It got like 85% yes votes. The tax will run as long as it takes and could in theory go until 2084 as a guarantee to keep the bond rates where they want them. It's kind of tough to project tax revenues when our population keeps going up but historically the tax increase been about 5% per year. The growth slowing was actually internet sales, but they fixed that and the state and city now collect that sales tax on online purchases. I assume growth is why the original Fargodome tax was paid off early.
Things would have to go pretty bad for specials to be used and keep in mind, there are other sources of paying down the debt. For example: The city owns a ton of river front property that they had to buy for flood projects. They not only paid for the land, they are collecting zero tax on it. But now they are selling these properties and the proceeds go to the diversion fund and then they will collect property taxes. Examples include the Mid America Steel site, the Park West spot, and a few others. But another benefit is flood insurance will no longer be required.
I think the city could see massive growth and tax increases since we're now on an even playing field. Pre diversion, it certainly had an impact on people and businesses putting big money into a city that could have ended up looking like Grand Forks who took 2 decades to recover.
As far as a ponzi scheme... that's a different discussion for a different day but I tend to agree most government is a ponzi scheme
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Been saying for years- State of Minnesota can’t NOT pay for stadiums/domes!! Get a contingency of bison 1 issue voters in Minnetota!!! Build it in Moorhead if need be. Still be a steller coup, and possibly engage the ND legislation/city of Fargo in a real way.
Don’t think stadium is the key to conference/fbs invites as it once was. Culture has changed. Viewing on TV has so few barriers plus covid etc. confident the size of the dome will continue to meet the demands of attendance for years, and the building is unique.
Planning 10 years out, sure. But to accommodate fans 10 years in the future the experience will need to be good enough for people to invest the time/money/effort to go to the game vs. simply watching on whatever technology is available at that point. Fan numbers may increase some, but the Cameron Indoor has been discussed in comparison at length. Rather turn a 10% away during good years versus run 10% empty ever. TV is the medium that matters. Make the new dome with heavy consideration of making TV production look great. Get fans (sponsors) on TV- in a natural way. Shots of the heavy hitter donors. Show them OFF. Get them business and appreciate them for donating.
-needs to be Indoor with PLENTY of wifi/cell service available. 50 degrees isn’t BAD for a football game, but when hauling the kids/wife etc. let it be COMFORTABLE. No worries of rain/wind. Also removes variables for the team in half their games plus. Practice outside, be prepared to navigate the variables while away- but limit them for home games/extended future FBS playoff games which NDSU would ultimately be betting on anyway.
-making TAILGATING as easy, available, and comfortable as possible is probably the number one opportunity to compete with the bars/home parties as a premier experience/networking. Plenty of cell/wifi available here as well.
-soft gambling?? fantasy football for FCS? Get more fans engaged with what rest of league is doing. Forum providing/creating some “hypothetical” gaming options for FCS gameday across the league. Make it easy for everyday fans to place some bets on wearing other teams jersey…. [emoji6]. Hasn’t hurt the NFL. Something to drive engagement while we sit on pins and needles for the elusive invite.
-FCS gambling options at casinos and create some agreements for Bussing to and from mahnomen, spirit lake, Dakota magic.
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Which tax??? I believe there are 3 sales taxes for flood protection right now. And they did slam them through. Everytime there was a spring event, they put them up to vote because people were scared and tired. Denny admitted they did it that way intentionally. So that left little to no time for actual analysis if you don't consider "we need every dollar we can get" to be analysis. Then on top of that, they did the special assessment.....